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Law creates crime, school rots your brain..
    #885433 - 09/16/02 10:46 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Dunno if I should post this here, but some of the ideas I came up with on shrooms...
I copyed and pasted out of an article im writing.

School rots your brain, law creates crime!
And other things to twist your sense of reason.

Law creates crime: "If consequences dictate your course of action, it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught." That's a quote from Maynard James Keenan. I'm not sure if this is the context he would want it in, but it's how I see it. The first problem is that law can never be in complete control. They cannot babysit every person in the country. The greater problem, is that law essentially threatens people with punishment. Law says, "If you do something bad(whatever bad is) then something bad will happen to you. So people now think "I can't do that, it's illegal, I might go to jail." When I speed I worry about getting pulled over by a cop. Now what's happend is this fake consequence has hidden the real consequence. The real consequence for speeding is that I might crash and die, or kill someone else. Almost everyone speeds at least a little. Most people don't expect to get caught either. So since people think they can get away with it, they do it.

Law will never work, because law is forced. Law is enforced actually. By law enforcment officers.. They act under order from someone "above" or "higher ranking" (smarter? better?) than they.
Whoever controls the law enforcment officers, essentially, thinks that they know what is best for you and best for everyone else. They claim ownership of certain aspects of you by telling you things you can and cannot do. What happend to equality? Laws are not passed by a majority vote of the people that will have to follow them, and even if they were, what about the minority?

It has been illegal to kill people for a long, long time. How many people have been murdered in the last hundred years? I can't count that high either. It isn't working.
Here is a good example. When someone buys a used car from a private party, the seller will most of the time not disclose all the problems with the car. All they want is to get as much money for it as they can and do it as quickly as possible. That is deceptive and unethical, but not illegal. People don't have a sense of right and wrong anymore, because it is all about law. If you stole ten thousand dollars from a bank and completely got away with it, would you give it back? Prison or a fine are the only consequences on people's minds today.

Opiates are illegal, but there are a lot of opiate addicts in the country. Probably in large part because when people start doing them, they don't know that much about them, all they've heard is that they are fun as hell, but illegal. Opiates are known to be extremely addictive. If drugs weren't illegal then when people went to find information about them, the first thing they would hear is how addictive or dangerous they are (or aren't).

If it is possible for the cops to think for themselves, and for everyone else, then surely it must be possible for everyone else to think for themselves. We are all people aren't we?

You are not free, you are a slave. You were brought into this world without your permission. Then told you have to do everything your parents tell you to. Then, told it was illegal to kill your self.
You are property of your parents untill you are 18. They can tell you what to wear, where to go, what to eat and even force their religion on you. Most people realize that is insane and don't go that far. Remember you are not your parents' child. You are your own. They may think they created you, but they didn't. They merely set you loose.

School rots your brain: You are a prisoner in school. If you leave the police will come after you. I have personal experiance with this. When you're in school, you must do exactly what the teacher tells you, or you can be called "defiant" and punishment will be issued acordingly. From the time people are 3-5 years old untill they are 18(usually), they are in school being told exactly what to do for 7 - 8 & 1/2 hours. Something like 275 days a year.. All the while being punished when they get bad grades and praised when they get good grades. Sounds like stupid pet tricks. People don't get to decide what is important to them untill they have been through 18 years of being told what is important. Not only 18 years, but the first 18 years.


School does not teach you to be independent. School teaches you how to be dependent. And law forces to you be dependent. School does not teach you how to grow food or build a house to live in.
And even if you did learn, you couldn't do it without buying land to do it on. All land in america is owned by someone. If you are under 18 you are not someone. Now you have to spend 18 years learning uselss information so you can get a job to make money to buy things you could have learned to make yourself in about a year. Wow, then you would have had all that other 17 years to figure out who you are and what is important to you. You could have become a great musician or artist. You could have spent time evolving, people used to do that you know... Evolve.
All you have to do to evolve is think. Think about whatever you want. Entertain yourself, explore.
Evolution drives itself if you don't inflict rules upon it.

I don't claim to have a solution. If all law were lifted today, there would be chaos, which is proof enough for me that people are messed up. The current system will only make things slowly worse.

Fuck the system, and the so called land of the "free"

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These are my ideas, they are only ideas. They are based on information that I think to be true though I cannot call this anything more than my opinion.

By: Jonathan M----- You may copy and distribute this freely so long as it is left unchanged and with this label at the bottom.
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Re: Law creates crime, school rots your brain.. [Re: BleaK]
    #885442 - 09/16/02 10:50 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I have no problem with this thread being here. It concerns ethics which is a subset of philosophy.

Welcome to S&P if you haven't been here before!

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Re: Law creates crime, school rots your brain.. [Re: BleaK]
    #885599 - 09/16/02 12:10 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Law will never work, because law is forced.




Law does work. It does prevent people from doing bad things to each other. I know many people who would take a life if the prospect of years behind bars wasn't looming in their minds. Without law, all one needs to do is justify an act (such as homocide or theft) to themselves. Anarchy is the furthest thing from utopia. The laws aren't perfect, and there are a few that I would like to see repealed, but for the most part they do a pretty good job of supressing crime.

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It has been illegal to kill people for a long, long time. How many people have been murdered in the last hundred years? I can't count that high either. It isn't working.





Not nearly as many as would have been without anti-homocide laws.

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Now what's happend is this fake consequence has hidden the real consequence. The real consequence for speeding is that I might crash and die, or kill someone else.




While accidentally killing someone would be a tremendous consequence to most of us, it still isn't sufficient to deter speeding. Nobody expects to kill anybody by speeding. Most people's expectations are completely incongruent with the actual results.

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Laws are not passed by a majority vote of the people that will have to follow them, and even if they were, what about the minority?





In a democratic system, laws are created by officials elected by the populace. With such a huge population and so many laws needing to be passed, this is the only practical method of allowing the the people to effectively govern themselves. Imagine if every adult in the United States were expected to vote on every single federal bill. Most eligible American voters don't even turn out for presidential elections. Also, a necessary side-effect of a democratic system is that the minority, however large, doesn't get its way. There are always people with differing points of view, so it is impossible for everyone to be satisfied with the laws in place.

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All they want is to get as much money for it as they can and do it as quickly as possible. That is deceptive and unethical, but not illegal.




There are laws against fraud, and anyone making false claims about the product they are selling can be charged. A car dealer will certainly not go out of his way to show you why you should not give him your hard-earned dollars. Even used car dealers are not always completely despicable people; however, in a capitalist system, a businessman will do whatever he can to make money legally, and many find it is more profitable to respect one's customers. I say buyer beware. You have 100% control over who you give your money to. I see what you are saying though; fear of consequences is not an adequate replacement for ethics. However, it would be silly to expect that everyone will be (or should be) fair. Greed is one of the traits that helped humans become a successful species. It is not unique to humans either. Any animal, whose sole purpose is to ensure its own survival, would choose to steal food from another rather than risk starvation. Humans are the only species with established laws against victimization of other members of the species. We did this to try and improve our quality of life. And it has. Anywhere else in the animal kingdom it is fair game to kill another and take what he has. Survival of the fittest. Nature is not fair, and it was never intended to be.

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Opiates are illegal, but there are a lot of opiate addicts in the country. Probably in large part because when people start doing them, they don't know that much about them, all they've heard is that they are fun as hell, but illegal. Opiates are known to be extremely addictive. If drugs weren't illegal then when people went to find information about them, the first thing they would hear is how addictive or dangerous they are (or aren't).





This is true, and it's why I am against prohibition as a method for reducing the harm caused by drugs and addiction.

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People don't have a sense of right and wrong anymore, because it is all about law.




Right and wrong are completely subjective; their definitions vary from person to person. I would put my life in the hands of a system that prohibits killing than trust every other person's notion of what is right or wrong.

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You are not free, you are a slave.




That is not true. You are 100% free to take any course of action you wish. There are, however, consequences to ALL of your actions. Some of these consequences are imposed by the state; if you kill someone, the consequence of that is that you may be tried and incarcerated for murder. If you jump of a bridge, the consequence is that is that you may hurt yourself. If you want to be free from all legal repercussions of your actions, sail to an uninhabited island and do whatever you wish.

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All the while being punished when they get bad grades and praised when they get good grades. Sounds like stupid pet tricks. People don't get to decide what is important to them untill they have been through 18 years of being told what is important.




Again, I think this is for good reason. Most children do not have a sufficient understanding of the consequences of not going to school to be allowed to make that decision themselves. Ask any fifth grader if they'd like to never go to school again, and 99% would say yes. Ask any high school graduate if dropping out in grade five is a good idea and 99% will say no. I didn't understand the significance of my years of schooling until I was finished. I'm glad they didn't let me leave.

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School does not teach you to be independent. School teaches you how to be dependent. And law forces to you be dependent. School does not teach you how to grow food or build a house to live in.





School teaches you more than you think. It teaches you the value of learning; it teaches you how to socialize; it teaches you discipline. It prepares you for independence. You don't see a lot of self-sufficient dropouts.

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Now you have to spend 18 years learning uselss information so you can get a job to make money to buy things you could have learned to make yourself in about a year. Wow, then you would have had all that other 17 years to figure out who you are and what is important to you. You could have become a great musician or artist. You could have spent time evolving, people used to do that you know... Evolve.





I don't know anyone who can learn to make a computer themselves in a year. You were only able to share your thoughts with us because thousands of children were forced to go to school. If school wasn't mandatory I don't know how many kids would spend their free time constructively.

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Fuck the system, and the so called land of the "free"





The system isn't perfect, but has allowed billions of people to make something of their lives that are simply not accessable otherwise. Everything you take for granted - your safety, the availability of food, your access to education and healthcare - is a product of this system. What a tortured existence we would live without those things. Have you ever had to find and kill your own food, or pull your own teeth out, or set your own broken leg with no painkillers? Everything around you except the trees, rocks and animals are products of this system. It is very difficult to even survive, let alone be happy, with only those things.


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Re: Law creates crime, school rots your brain.. [Re: BleaK]
    #885706 - 09/16/02 02:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I don't agree with all of that, but I like your thoughts...

I also think the education system is MAJORLY fucked up. Generally, my school doesn't encourage thinking or self-expression, only memorization and obediance. They force you to become a passive observer by teaching you what they want to teach, and telling you what you can and can not say.

THINK FOR YOURSELF. QUESTION AUTHORITY.


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Re: Law creates crime, school rots your brain.. [Re: BleaK]
    #885715 - 09/16/02 02:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

You get 5 shrooms for being totally rad!  :grin:


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