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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
#1496785 - 04/26/03 08:42 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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"post something intelligent and I will be glad to answer."
haha......man, heres your problem: you have an ideal, this ideal has blinded you from other possibilities, and when those possibilities are challenged, instead of truly considering them, you disregard them as "unintelligent", this is a problem alot of idealists have........an inability to think critically about their own beliefs.
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Meph
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do you not understand my point? its very basic.
this discussion is about human nature, and how you want humans to be flawless, pure souls.
my argument against this is that:
a-that would ruin the concept of being human
Remember me calling it a "drastic change"?
It's not something that's possible, if we look at it from a realistic point of view. But through my expression of my views on my perfect world, all I'm trying to explain is the reasons laws are needed in this world..
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b-humans cannot be singled out as the only flaw in the universe.
And? Does that mean we have the right behavior? An intelligent being posesses the ability to be different, to stand out, and take over its instincts. When humans are truly intelligent, we will stop acting following our basic survival reflexes.
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i am just using "cats" to illustrate this point, its an analogy.
You can't compare apples and oranges. Cats are nowhere near being humans! They have different behaviors and a different conscience, but you're making an analogy between the two?
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
#1496850 - 04/26/03 09:13 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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analogy: Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.
the similarity, both animals have the ability to be destructive and malicious.
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Meph
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"post something intelligent and I will be glad to answer."
haha......man, heres your problem: you have an ideal, this ideal has blinded you from other possibilities, and when those possibilities are challenged, instead of truly considering them, you disregard them as "unintelligent", this is a problem alot of idealists have........an inability to think critically about their own beliefs.
Until your 10th reply or so in this thread you did not have a point. You are only passing comments that are totally far from the message I am trying to get you to understand.
I am, unlike you said, pretty good at looking at a situation or point of view from many angles. However, you are making a point that is not clear or structured, and based on a very distorted version of what I said.
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Meph
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analogy: Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.
the similarity, both animals have the ability to be destructive and malicious.
Mabye, but are you saying it's okay to be destructive and malicious because cats are, and because it's part of our instincts?
Cats are not a danger. Humans are.
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
#1496919 - 04/26/03 09:59 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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the point im trying to make is that......this perfect world you describe..in my opinion, would have no meaning, our lives would be useless, because we would be such simplistic beings.
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the point im trying to make is that......this perfect world you describe..in my opinion, would have no meaning, our lives would be useless, because we would be such simplistic beings.
How is a world of trust and love meaningless and useless?
Simplistic beings? It's much harder to be trustable and caring than untrustable and careless...
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well....you have to live the changes you want to see my friend....even ghandi knew that.
Leaving doors unlocked is a consequence of the change. I want people to be trustable, and then I will leave my door unlocked.
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
#1496947 - 04/26/03 10:15 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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How is a world of trust and love meaningless and useless?
Simplistic beings? It's much harder to be trustable and caring than untrustable and careless...
trust and love do not exist if there is no distrust and hate. that is the nature of the universe. in order to recognize black you need white.
therefor, if you took away all of humanities flaws, we would be drones...there would be no point to love because we wouldnt know what love was
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Well done to all!
Quite a conversation with everyone playing nice.
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I disagree. Trust and love can exist without hate and distrust. Only the absence of love is needed to know what love is and that it exists, not it's opposite. I can easily tell that I love some people and have no feeling for others. But hate is part of our nature...
All of humanities flaws don't need to be eliminated to have a utopia. In fact, I find people's flaws sometimes are the greatest things about them. Look at nature. It's great because of the infinite uniqueness in everything.
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Meph
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trust and love do not exist if there is no distrust and hate. that is the nature of the universe. in order to recognize black you need white.
therefor, if you took away all of humanities flaws, we would be drones...there would be no point to love because we wouldnt know what love was
I understand where you're coming from. I agree that living well is much more enjoyable if you've been through pain and suffering. We all need hard experiences to teach us the value of life; but why should those hard experiences be caused by others? Even if we were perfect, hard times could still affect us. What about floods, fires and hurricanes?
There is always something to work on, always something to fix, to make better. If we were perfect, we could focus on space travel and eliminating poverty instead of wars and crime.
The sky is the limit.
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: ClosetCase]
#1497787 - 04/27/03 11:32 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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All of humanities flaws don't need to be eliminated to have a utopia. In fact, I find people's flaws sometimes are the greatest things about them. Look at nature. It's great because of the infinite uniqueness in everything.
Mabye all we need is a good balance?
What we need is open mindedness... any open-minded person can still hate, but they will take the time to sit down and explain the problem instead of going nuts and hurting others...
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: ]
#1497794 - 04/27/03 11:34 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well done to all!
Quite a conversation with everyone playing nice.
The moderator likes! 
Cheers,
I'm interested to know what you think on the subject!
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
#1497796 - 04/27/03 11:36 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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If we were perfect, we could focus on space travel and eliminating poverty instead of wars and crime.
If we were perfect, we wouldn't have to focus on space travel. We would be further along than that.
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Murex]
#1497807 - 04/27/03 11:39 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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If we were perfect, we could focus on space travel and eliminating poverty instead of wars and crime.
If we were perfect, we wouldn't have to focus on space travel. We would be further along than that.
Elaborate?
It was just an example though. I was saying that we could do things that are constructive instead of destructive.
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