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atomikfunksoldier
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Revelation]
#1496433 - 04/26/03 05:21 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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no it doesnt, owls are always victimizing and murdering mice,
viruses committ genocide
forest fires destroy thousands of homes
-i think we should impose our human laws on nature, so that maybe...one day, the world will be peaceful. no more shall the fledglings have to suffer.
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Dogomush
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I like going to the local all organic vegetable and overpriced hippy juice store. I love the way they market their products, always talking about mother nature and the bounty and love of the earth mother. And then I think about rotting diseased corpses on rainy days... oh wait, no that doesn't exist, and if it did, then it's not natural, no only picking fruits on sunny days is mother nature.
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atomikfunksoldier
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Dogomush]
#1496446 - 04/26/03 05:29 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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all the evil of the world is a product of humanity....and somehow...humans transcend the universe and are independant of everything.
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Dogomush
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my thoughts exactly.
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Meph
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Revelation]
#1496448 - 04/26/03 05:30 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Okay. I didn't mean to attack you though . (I really didn't)
It's all good . I'd hate to see such a good discussion turn into a flame war!
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My point: Human nature is human nature. Why divide it into what we should do and what we should not do. Why judge human nature in that way?
Why? To make this world a better place. Some actions bring nothing but suffering, so making them illegal can't hurt. At least we'll have tried.
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Does the animal kingdom not function well enough without laws?
Yes, but the human world is different, in the sense that we are capable of things that are much worse than animals. In a blink, we could destroy this planet and everything that's on it. Sure, that's just an extreme, but to a smaller scale, negative actions are still to be avoided. Until people wake up and decide to make each other happy, I'll live with the laws and shut my mouth.
Note that I'm speaking in general. Some laws really are stupid, like drug prohibition laws. Laws aren't perfect either. Nothing is. But a little murder prevention here and there can't do us any bad, considering the traits of the modern occidental human nature...
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Meph
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no it doesnt, owls are always victimizing and murdering mice, viruses committ genocide forest fires destroy thousands of homes -i think we should impose our human laws on nature, so that maybe...one day, the world will be peaceful. no more shall the fledglings have to suffer.
There's a difference between basic survival and plain vengeance. Not knowing how to make the distinction between the two takes away most of your credibility.
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Meph
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Dogomush]
#1496467 - 04/26/03 05:39 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like going to the local all organic vegetable and overpriced hippy juice store. I love the way they market their products, always talking about mother nature and the bounty and love of the earth mother. And then I think about rotting diseased corpses on rainy days... oh wait, no that doesn't exist, and if it did, then it's not natural, no only picking fruits on sunny days is mother nature.
You and atomikfunksoldier don't seem to understand that I know evil and crime are, for the moment, an inevitable aspect of the world. I'm just saying that it would be nice if it was otherwise.
Wouldn't you like to leave all the doors in your house unlocked, knowing that nobody would come to steal your belongings?
I would, just like everybody else, rather live in a world based on trust rather than rules and laws; however, considering that we are capable of doing evil, rules and laws are necessary, or people will not hesitate to kill and rape each other. Until then, I'm allowed to dream of a flawless world where everything functions by itself, no rules or laws needed.
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atomikfunksoldier
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
#1496484 - 04/26/03 05:47 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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"There's a difference between basic survival and plain vengeance. Not knowing how to make the distinction between the two takes away most of your credibility"
exhibit a- felines.
"Wouldn't you like to leave all the doors in your house unlocked, knowing that nobody would come to steal your belongings?"
-my door is always unlocked
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
#1496497 - 04/26/03 05:52 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm just not sure that creating laws is the way to discourage certain kinds of behaviour. One look at our society tells us that it plainly isn't. The prisons are packed, mang.
Are the words 'justice' and 'revenge' synonymous?
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Meph
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-my door is always unlocked
Well, that's a risk I'm not willing to take just yet. There are still too many theifs out there.
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atomikfunksoldier
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
#1496521 - 04/26/03 06:02 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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well....you have to live the changes you want to see my friend....even ghandi knew that.
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Meph
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Revelation]
#1496523 - 04/26/03 06:03 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm just not sure that creating laws is the way to discourage certain kinds of behaviour. One look at our society tells us that it plainly isn't. The prisons are packed, mang.
I'd rather have prisons packed with murderers than have them roam free on the streets.
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Are the words 'justice' and 'revenge' synonymous?
It depends how you see it. If the law puts someone in prison, I don't see it as revenge. I see it as removing someone who is potentially dangerous from the free world, to protect others; it might also discourage others. If it doesn't, well, at least the world will be made a little more secure. Revenge is personnal, justice isn't.
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Meph
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exhibit a- felines.
"Yes, but the human world is different, in the sense that we are capable of things that are much worse than animals."
Do you read half of my posts?
We are much more dangerous than cats. So preventive measures must be taken to avoid evil actions.
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atomikfunksoldier
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
#1496529 - 04/26/03 06:07 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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do you know anything about cats? if cats had nuclear weopons, we would be all be dead.
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ClosetCase
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(shakes head)
This good thread has now fallen into the gutter and down the sewer.
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Dogomush
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: ClosetCase]
#1496591 - 04/26/03 06:37 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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has it? I thought he was making a strong point...
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Meph
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do you know anything about cats? if cats had nuclear weopons, we would be all be dead.
The question is not "if cats had nuclear weapons", the question is "do cats have nuclear weapons?"
A little common sense wouldn't do you any bad. We humans are more dangerous, because we are more advanced and capable of mass killing, unlike cats, because they lack the intelligence required to invent and bulid weapons.
Plus, you're getting away from the point. If you want to talk about this, create a thread about the killer instincs of cats and how they want to exterminate world population. Because this is not what we were talking about.
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Dogomush
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Meph]
#1496738 - 04/26/03 08:25 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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his point has something to do with cats half-killing mice and then batting them around for pleasure and tormenting them until they're dead.
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atomikfunksoldier
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Dogomush]
#1496750 - 04/26/03 08:30 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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"A little common sense wouldn't do you any bad. We humans are more dangerous, because we are more advanced and capable of mass killing, unlike cats, because they lack the intelligence required to invent and bulid weapons"
do you not understand my point? its very basic.
this discussion is about human nature, and how you want humans to be flawless, pure souls.
my argument against this is that:
a-that would ruin the concept of being human
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b-humans cannot be singled out as the only flaw in the universe.
i am just using "cats" to illustrate this point, its an analogy.
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Meph
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Re: Humans and laws [Re: Dogomush]
#1496754 - 04/26/03 08:31 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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his point has something to do with cats half-killing mice and then batting them around for pleasure and tormenting them until they're dead.
You had to add to it, didn't you?
Are any of you two reading my post? I'm not even going to back myself up, because I'm sick of repeating myself because you can't read properly. Take your time, post something intelligent and I will be glad to answer.
Until then, I'll just wait until someone else comes up with something that is worth discussing.
Evolving?
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