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OfflineBumser10
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Office Space Of Enlightenment
    #4483045 - 08/01/05 11:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I was watching the movie Office Space today(for those who don't know of it, I believe its a great movie) and it got to the part where Peter is hypnotized into that "elightened" state where he doesn't have a worry or care. And I got to thinking how great it would be if everybody could have that done to them how great the world would be from my perspective. But to get to the point I was wondering if anyone believes that someone could attain that perspective on life either through hypnosis or meditation or some other method, and input is welcome.

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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: Bumser10]
    #4483112 - 08/02/05 12:00 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

It is easy to attain that guys perspective...just stop giving a fuck about anyone but yourself. His veiw, while humorous, was not enlightened. He just decided to do what he wanted while everyone else be damned.


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4483418 - 08/02/05 12:54 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
It is easy to attain that guys perspective...just stop giving a fuck about anyone but yourself. His veiw, while humorous, was not enlightened. He just decided to do what he wanted while everyone else be damned.




Thats NOT what enlightenment is? :confused:


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4484424 - 08/02/05 08:13 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

*cough* Some people arent tied to others, and therefore have the luxury of not having to care a whole lot more :tongue:

Is it selfish to decide not to wed or have children? Some people tell me yes. But I dont really give a fuck what they have to say.


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: psyka]
    #4484451 - 08/02/05 08:43 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You can care about others without being "tied" to them. In fact real caring has no ties or binding. It is called unconditional regard or love. I believe it is an aspect of enlightenment.

It is not selfish in any negative sense to forgo marriage or children. What is selfish, IMO, is to protect oneself from loving and sharing out of fear of loss. :mushroom2:


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: psyka]
    #4484460 - 08/02/05 08:48 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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psyka said:
*cough* Some people arent tied to others, and therefore have the luxury of not having to care a whole lot more :tongue:




I understand your point.  Do you have any friends?  Any family?  Any person you can think of, who might distract you in any way from yourself?  If so, you're not quite "enlightened" (although I don't agree with that definition of the term.)  If NOT, there's another term for that- Nacisism.

(Please note this isn't a flame, just using what you said as an example  :smirk:)


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: Icelander]
    #4484466 - 08/02/05 08:51 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

"You can care about others without being "tied" to them. In fact real caring has no ties or binding. It is called unconditional regard or love. I believe it is an aspect of enlightenment."

Agreed, but you should still have respect for others and the protagonist in "Office Space" had no respect for anyone and engaged himself in a plan to steal from someone else while justifying it as revenge. He was not enlightened. I will say that it is a great movie.


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4484471 - 08/02/05 09:00 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think I saw the movie Hue.  :confused: And of course I agree with you.


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Edited by Icelander (08/02/05 09:01 AM)


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #4484483 - 08/02/05 09:07 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Uhmm...yea, I'm still working on the whole "love" thing.

I'd like to see how people here, who proclaim "love" so much, handle people in their everyday life. Me? I simply don't. I know what I must do and I do it; even my stubborn, rage-filled boss learned this.

I learned most people just flat out suck, but it really isnt their fault.


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: psyka]
    #4484544 - 08/02/05 09:42 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Me? I simply don't.....I learned most people just flat out suck, but it really isnt their fault.




Personally, I would begin to interact with these people in an open and positive manner that would possibly give them some new experience and perspective that they could begin to utilize to change their set thought patterns and behavior, and I would begin to regard them as fellow beings on the same path. We choose the manner in which we interact with others, and I personally prefer to not completely shut myself from others and define them in a negative way. :grin: To do so would not be beneficial for anyone involved. :wink:

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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4484597 - 08/02/05 10:15 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm very open and positive. I just dont get involved in their imaginary struggles. Hell, I'm friendly to everyone. You misunderstand, as I mispronounce my thoughts.


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: Icelander]
    #4484635 - 08/02/05 10:28 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think I saw the movie 




If you've ever worked in an "office" environment for a large company (or known someone who has), you will LOVE this movie.  :grin:


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: MOTH]
    #4484711 - 08/02/05 10:56 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't but I think I'll see it anyway.Someone is always saying something good about it. :thumbup:


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: Icelander]
    #4484725 - 08/02/05 11:02 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

My husband says that everyone at Dell ALWAYS makes jokes about Office Space. Guess it helps them get through the doldrums.


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: MOTH]
    #4484866 - 08/02/05 12:16 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, it is a great movie even if you dont work in a Office Space type enviroment. Gave me a good appreciation for people who really do have to work like that and deal with that kind of boredom. And I realize that it isnt true enlightenment going on in the movie but I was saying that he was enlightened from the previous way of thinking and how things should be.

Peace


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: psyka]
    #4484890 - 08/02/05 12:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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psyka said:
I'm very open and positive. I just dont get involved in their imaginary struggles. Hell, I'm friendly to everyone.




Well, that's a different story, then. :grin:

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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: Bumser10]
    #4484893 - 08/02/05 12:30 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I was saying that he was enlightened from the previous way of thinking and how things should be.

I don't think his opinion changed at all, he just stopped feeling any sense of responsibility. He hated work before he was hypnotized, and he hated it afterwards.

If I tore out the part of your brain that made you feel stress when you had things that needed getting done, would you be enlightened, or just numbed to a certain sensation?

And is that the way things should be? Would the world really be a better place if nobody ever felt any need to do anything but lay back and relax?


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: Phluck]
    #4485033 - 08/02/05 01:22 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Would the world really be a better place if nobody ever felt any need to do anything but lay back and relax?



I heard there's a dangerous drug out there called marijuana that has just such an effect on people. I propose that it be banned immediately.


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: Phluck]
    #4485126 - 08/02/05 01:53 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Would the world really be a better place if nobody ever felt any need to do anything but lay back and relax?




Define better?

If people from the beginning of time were always calm and relaxed, think of how much further ahead we would be and how peaceful the world would be.

Whats the opposite of being in a relaxed state? Agitation, hostility, aggression oppression and resistance.

Resistance is a key word that opposes relaxation. Not being relaxed I think has held us back from realizing our individual and collective potential more then being relaxed does.

Hostile, agitated, aggressive types use their time and energy to oppress others and the others use their time and energy to put up resistance. Nothing gets accomplished but war and power struggles.

Energy is wasted on oppression and resistance when it could be spent on peaceful progress if it remains relaxed.

Energy being at ease with itself makes things go easier.

Energy being at war and in power struggles with itself makes life a struggle.

I have some painting to go do regarding a room makeover. If I become agitated with the project as I would rather be sunning by the pool, I will put resistance up to it and never get it done or may feel hostile and do a sloppy job and fuck it up creating further struggle for myself having to fix it.

I can remain at peace with my decision to do the work, stay relaxxed and go paint it and will probably do a flawless job if I stay relax and have it done much faster.

How can you argue against the benefits of being in a relaxed and peaceful state?


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Re: Office Space Of Enlightenment [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4485321 - 08/02/05 02:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

This is a total strawman.

I said,

"Would the world really be a better place if nobody ever felt any need to do anything but lay back and relax? "

You took it to mean "Would the world really be a better place if people were more relaxed and peaceful?"

Do you see the difference in the two statements?


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