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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: Mixomatosis]
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Mixomatosis said:
Yes, you're right, IF you gave humans or any life form long enough, they MIGHT be able to develop these kinds of abilities. There's no evidence to base any kind of theorizing on, and it's all totally unfounded speculation, but you're correct in that it MIGHT be possible sometime MAYBE. Good work. Now let's all stop posting in this thread and go back to etching our unremarkable lives on the surface of this space rock by the only means that seem to work: monotonous labour.


Interesting point. :eyeball: For many this would feel like truth. And who knows what the truth is. You MIGHT be right, MAYBE. For you at least. I have also found myself thinking these same thoughts at times. The tone is harsh, but I see where you're commin from. :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: Mixomatosis]
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:shrug:

just seems childish to me. We have all we need for any "truth," why invent fantasy? Yes, humans can manipulate DNA. Yes, reproduction can influence DNA.

But the potential of evolution is very low. Everything evolves out of need and practicality. Will humans suddenly evolve levitation, because it's cool? Will we sprout wings because airplanes bore us? Even if the need for something is huge, evolution won't do anything.

Construct a system where the floor slowly kills anything on it, and make a platform in the air which also produces and drops food. Introduce a billion frogs into the system. If anything, youll eventually get a bunch of frogs that can jump pretty high. Make the platform high enough, and youll end up with a bunch of dead frogs. They won't sprout wings, ever.

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: vampirism]
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I think our purpuse is to make truth as much as find it.
Fantasy is the process of making new truths inside new worlds


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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You can't make truth, you can only make meaning.

And which world is it that evolves levitating beings and clearly telepathic creatures on demand? You should look into science fiction.

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: vampirism]
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Humans have destroyed evolution of our species by destroying darwins key to evolution, natural selection.  with medicines and doctors we keep people with diseases and conditions ("the weak" in natures mind), instead of letting nature choose their destiny, which would most likely be death (natural selection).  You could call this "only the strong will survive", and if only the strong survived, the species would get stronger, and develop (evolve) into something better than we are today.  this is not possible because of the way we care for the sick and for those who are "weak" (in natures point of view, not mine).  I'm sorry if this is long, but it is true, there will be no evolution without the elimination of the weak and those who cannot use their natural born traits too survive.  With the elimination of those with traits that nature does not deem suitable to survive with, those peoples "weak" traits wouldn't be able to be passed down, which would result in only the "strong" being able to pass down their traits, which would eventually lead to evolution into a "better" or "advanced" species.

Before you guys call me a creep and a weirdo, I just want to explain that I am happy with doctors and medicine, and i would never want someone to let me die because of some condition that could be treated with medicine.  I'm saying that without letting nature choose who will survive, and who will die, people WOULD evolve, and develop into something maybe we can't even imagine at this point.  But, again, as I stated, this is impossible without natural selection and the ability of our species to eliminate unfavorable traits in humans, hence leaving us stuck in the state of evolution we are in today. 

Hope it makes sense, and that everyone gives opinions on what i said, later.  :mushroom2:

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: Ravus]
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Interesting thread Ravus. I have had this same theory running thru my head for a while too.

What about empathy or telepathy?


Some people are more empathetic than others. How can a person "feel" another persons emotion? There is no scientific way to study/prove this......yet

Could "empathy" evolve into full blown telepathy?


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Don't be bogged down by your past
Don't be afraid of what lies in your future

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: stzacrack]
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As many have stated in posts before mine, the only possible way that we may ever develop a way to "levitate", "hover", read minds or any other useless ability, will be by importing genes that we have found in something else that contains the code for "levitating, hovering, and reading minds" into ourselves, thus hoping that it will work.  this idea is so far fetched it's not worth wasting 10 minutes reading all these posts, like i did. :wink:

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: stzacrack]
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if there were no medicine and no hospitals, then yes a lot of the 'weaker' people would die.

but the main result of that would be that the majority of surviving humans and their descendants have strong immune systems, and maybe the smarts to stay out of dangerous situations.

the human race would remain the pretty much the same, until some drastic environmental change came about that killed millions of people. those who survived live to pass on the genes that kept them alive. then maybe things will start to look a little different.

but the only way any trait gets naturally selected is if it is the one thing that kept certain members of the species alive, while all those without that trait died.

things dont evolve because of a need or to be practical. things evolve at random, and if they're lucky they survive.

evolution is pretty much dependant on random mutations. sometimes they're useful, and aid in survival. but most are useless/detrimental and never get passed on.

random mutations pretty much only happen within an isolated population, when the same genes start getting mixed with eachother.

of course, the earth is an isolated population of humans, but theres just wayy to many.

i stick with the theory that no evolution will take place unless we do it ourselves.. orr until we begin to inhabit different planets

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: BoneMan]
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Boneman is absoulutely correct.  I'm glad someone else agrees with me.

Later :mushroom2:

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: BoneMan]
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My mom does Reiki. I've experienced it and benefited from it, as have many people in our circle of friends and family, and other people in the community.

Reiki - as best I can describe it - is energy healing. She thinks that it's realigning or unblocking energy pathways in the body that are causing sickness or pain. She puts her hands over you, not on you, and you can feel heat just radiating onto you. Sometimes I got the feeling of little feather touches on my skin where she was doing it.

She also had one guy come in -the husband of one of her friends- who was very skeptical about it, so she said 'Don't tell me where you're hurting, I'll tell you.' She moved her hands from his head to his feet and said 'It's your knee, isn't it?' The guy was stunned, and even more stunned when his pain went away after a treatment.

We don't take ourselves to seriously, sometimes we call it reiki, sometimes it's like 'Honey, you're really hurting, let me do my 'woo-woo' shit on you.' She is very empathetic, and she has chosen a lifetime of service as a nurse. If she is with someone who is in a lot of pain, her hands begin to vibrate. It's truly an amazing thing, something that we think most (if not all) people are capable of, if they'd only be open to it.

Just thought I'd share some magical powers =D.


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Jumped in a river, what did I see?
Black eyed angels swimming with me
Moon full of stars and astral cars, all the figures I used to see
All my lovers were there with me
All my past and all my futures
We went to heaven in a little rowboat
There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: TrippinNinjaBuddha]
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Is anyone on this forum Wicken? I used to have a friend who was wicken who could do some crazy shit with their hands. He said it was like concentrating energy in between his hands.

What he would do is sort of wave his hands slowly around an "invisible" ball and concentrate real hard on his hands. After a few seconds you would see like a ball of light in the middle of where his hands were waving. I'm not sure how to put it into words, it was pretty amazing. He could also do this thing where after he got the ball int he middle of his hand, he could "shoot it" towards somoene, and they would sort of flinch, like they just got touched with something hot. It was pretty amazing.

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: stzacrack]
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stzacrack....I have a question for ya.

How can you say this.....
stzacrack said:
As many have stated in posts before mine, the only possible way that we may ever develop a way to "levitate", "hover", read minds or any other useless ability, will be by importing genes that we have found in something else that contains the code for "levitating, hovering, and reading minds" into ourselves, thus hoping that it will work.  this idea is so far fetched it's not worth wasting 10 minutes reading all these posts, like i did. :wink:



....and this......
Quote:
Is anyone on this forum Wicken? I used to have a friend who was wicken who could do some crazy shit with their hands. He said it was like concentrating energy in between his hands.

What he would do is sort of wave his hands slowly around an "invisible" ball and concentrate real hard on his hands. After a few seconds you would see like a ball of light in the middle of where his hands were waving. I'm not sure how to put it into words, it was pretty amazing. He could also do this thing where after he got the ball int he middle of his hand, he could "shoot it" towards somoene, and they would sort of flinch, like they just got touched with something hot. It was pretty amazing.


....in the same thread?


If you have seen something that is "beyond scientific explanation"....

How can you say that we can never evolve telepathy?


:peace:


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Live for the moment you are in now
Don't be bogged down by your past
Don't be afraid of what lies in your future

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: niteowl]
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i dont want to speak for stzacrack.. but i was arguing from a standpoint of what evolution is and how it works.

but...

i dont disagee that we may already have these powers, or the potential to develop these powers.. as far as energy manipulation anyway.

and i have noticed being able to know what people are trying to say, as they pause to search for words to describe what they're trying to say.

but thats only with people that i know very well, or that im around a lot

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: TrippinNinjaBuddha]
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She moved her hands from his head to his feet and said 'It's your knee, isn't it?'

Yeah, she barely noticed him gimping in on his bad leg...


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: Ravus]
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The obvious reason it seems no organisms have developed levitation or telekinesis is because it's not needed. There are easier methods, such as flying compared to levitation, or getting up and using appendages to move objects than telekinesis, that require less energy and would still enable the organism to survive and do tasks just as well.

What about black magic? The ability to destroy enemy predators with one single thought would surely be a great survival strategy for those hairless apes in the hostile jungle.

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: Nomad]
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yeah, so would growing a movable plasma-gun turret on your ass

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: vampirism]
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I do not believe that we can EVOLVE into a species that will have abilities like this, but I do think that maybe some DO have these abilities, and maybe we all already do, but we just don't know how to use them. 

Isn't it often said that we only use 10% of our brain?  Or something to that sort.  Maybe we ALL have abilities like this, but just don't know how to use them.  On the other hand, I think, that since we have eliminated evolution from our species, that it would be impossible to EVOLVE into such beings with these abilities.  Who knows, maybe we already have these remarkable powers.  I can't say if we do, but I can say that I've seen some remarkable things before...and I'm not sure if they can be scientifically explained, but what can be scientifically explained is the fact that there is no more evolution, which brings me to the conclusion that we won't develop these abilities. 

I guess we'll all have to keep our fingers crossed!! :grin:

Later, have a good one :mushroom2:

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The Potential for Self Realized Evolution [Re: stzacrack]
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stzacrack said:
Maybe we ALL have abilities like this, but just don't know how to use them.



:sun:


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eMotive  :sun: Divinity NowThere Infinity :sun:  eMelody

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: stzacrack]
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stzacrack said:
I do not believe that we can EVOLVE into a species that will have abilities like this, but I do think that maybe some DO have these abilities, and maybe we all already do, but we just don't know how to use them. 

Isn't it often said that we only use 10% of our brain?  Or something to that sort.  Maybe we ALL have abilities like this, but just don't know how to use them.  On the other hand, I think, that since we have eliminated evolution from our species, that it would be impossible to EVOLVE into such beings with these abilities.  Who knows, maybe we already have these remarkable powers.  I can't say if we do, but I can say that I've seen some remarkable things before...and I'm not sure if they can be scientifically explained, but what can be scientifically explained is the fact that there is no more evolution, which brings me to the conclusion that we won't develop these abilities. 

I guess we'll all have to keep our fingers crossed!! :grin:

Later, have a good one :mushroom2:


nope, we dont have these powers, sorry, now run along and go buy me a choco-filled vanilla burger down at the 7-11. Oh yeah, pick me up some Old Milwaukee while your at it because I'm gonna get pissed and watch Saved by the Bell re-runs all day long.

yeah bitch, revolution of the mind.

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Re: The Potential of Evolution [Re: stzacrack]
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Do you believe in evolution or not......I'm having trouble getting where your coming from.

The main thing I'm having trouble with is this comment....
stzacrack said:
I do not believe that we can EVOLVE into a species that will have abilities like this, but I do think that maybe some DO have these abilities, and maybe we all already do, but we just don't know how to use them.


If we evolved into the beings we are today....and we have these abilities.....then shouldn't the ability to form a ball of light in our hands, or sense what someone is going to say, be a part of our evolution.

Even if it is an undeveloped(unevolved) ability.

Perhaps some people who do believe they can.....can...but only in a very small/weak way. If they practice this ability and get better/stronger at it.....isn't evolution?

If this person teaches his friends and family to do it, and they teach others......how is that not a form of evolution?

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