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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: Darcho]
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ya. i prefer many intrumentals over ego trips like that song. but i agree.

and to clarify it you dont need a "respectable level of intelligence to be rich", you do to get rich. theres a lot of pretty dumb grown up rich kids.


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: AhronZombi]
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I believe Kennedy was killed by lone commie nut. That's all.

John Lennon though... there is no real basis for a conspiracy that the government killed Lennon. A crazed fan, Mark David Chapman, gunned him down out of a severely delusional complex that was a combination of Chapman's hatred-love complex for Lennon; he idolized Lennon, but when Lennon started bashing organized religion, Chapman sort of snapped and felt cheated, and he wanted to posses John Lennon for himself, so he took his life.


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: zahudulallah]
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I think maybe you could do some research on Chapman. You may find some things that may change your mind. He was a puppet brainwashed by the CIA


To everyone else.

Only 30 years ago saying the things Eminem has, Would get you locked up or hung.

Freedom of speech is one thing but, this video really makes me pissed. He is calling for a overthrow of the US goverment by force and thugging.

I don't like it one bit.


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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He is calling for a overthrow of the US goverment by force and thugging.





besides a lot less blood shed, how is that any different from the US government initiating illegal wars of conquest against other contries?

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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: usefulidiot]
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That is not the point of this thread is it?

Please do not make such comparisons.


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Quote:
He is calling for a overthrow of the US goverment by force and thugging.



uhh isn't that a right of the people and one reason we have the right to bear arms?


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: John]
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No

The Second Amendment was not made so we can have a Civil War.

It was not written so there is a backdoor to overthrow the Government.

And when I hear this. I hear complete ignorance.


We have elections to change the leadership not a Civil War :rolleyes:


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Fucknuckle said:
No

The Second Amendment was not made so we can have a Civil War.

It was not written so there is a backdoor to overthrow the Government.

And when I hear this. I hear complete ignorance.


We have elections to change the leadership not a Civil War :rolleyes:




so why would the states need militia when we could just have a federal militia (aka army, usmc ect.)? it was written so we could have a last resort option to change government. democracy is based on what the people want, the second amendment provides a way for the people to get this if all else fails.


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: John]
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What school did you go to??

WTF is that?

The Second Amendment and the Militias is for  a call to arms in the absents of a Army big enough to defend this country.

Nothing more

Democoracy is a vote of the majority. What you are talking about is a dictatorship :rolleyes:


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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UF and you?

::::edited unessary flame::::

I'll admit that was bad wording and choice of example of my part. I'll e-mail My American national government Professor the question at hand and post the reply. (probably be next monday)


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: John]
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It won't matter what your professor will say.

The Constitution has no written parts with a backdoor to Civil war.

Some wacko might see it that way but just it isn't so.

Nothing personal


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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martin king said some shit that was not appreciated. should he have been silenced because wanting freedom was a bullshit cause? so now should eminem be silenced because freedom is a bull shit cause?

i know your gonna say we have freedom and whatnot. but to eminem that is not the case, according to that song, and it was not to king either.

so what do yu propose? put them in jail like we are told thaey do in China? BAD eminem BAD. do not voice your opinion. do not go against popular opinion (although i think he made teh song cause it is popular and it will sell many copies). people liek myself that disagree with so so much that people like bush say dont try and silence him we try and change the power. i personally want different opinions. i would love to see bush and kerry and nader and everyone else have equall say in what gets done. one persons opinion, or one parties opinion, can never voice what 230 million people want. and dont say take it to the polls. people are fuckign morons and vote in teh poplar guy who isnt the other popular guy. never have i seen an election that people have voted purely for who they believe in. more choice CANT be a bad thing.


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: kadakuda]
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King was assinated as was Malcom

as was Kennedy and Lennon


It can be argued that a couple of those people were wacked by nut cases and not the Goverenment. But the point is


Anyone who puts their mouth in the way of the "American way of doing things" ends up dead.

I seen the video again today. I just pisses me off and I will not be suprized that if he continues down this path, he also will be killed.


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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that i agree with. totally. but i do *not* agree with him being censored. the only person who should have the right to shut him up is him.

when i say i agree with it i mean i agree that it happens. its not right or moral.


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Fucknuckle said:
King was assinated as was Malcom

as was Kennedy and Lennon


It can be argued that a couple of those people were wacked by nut cases and not the Goverenment. But the point is


Anyone who puts their mouth in the way of the "American way of doing things" ends up dead.

I seen the video again today. I just pisses me off and I will not be suprized that if he continues down this path, he also will be killed.



This is exactly kind of government that the Second Amendment was designed to prevent. It won't always be holidays and picnics here in the USA. I'm sure that the Roman citizens thought that their paradise would last forever, too. We're just getting started. The only way to believe that we have all of the answers to questions of political unrest is to be dangerously short sighted.

If our planet lasts, and our children continue to live together with differing goals and needs(as they most assuredly will), at some points in time, revolutions will be necessary to equalize the people. Responsibility through leadership breeds greed of power. It is inevitable that through our own desire to be free, that we empower people that seek to enslave us, or to simply be raised above all others. When we see that this has happened, we must rise to the occasion and free ourselves. Anyone who does it for us is equally capable of taking the place of our oppressors.


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: Ekstaza]
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it's just a song. only lyrics, not meant to be taken literally.

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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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funny, i thought the video showed people signing up to vote, and try to change the country that way, but maybe i was mistaken.


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: guri]
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there was a lot of messages and the main one being taking bush out. the votin gthing at the end i think was just a thin ghe put in to make it look, legally, that it was talking about voting. theres many other things he's saying.


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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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At least Eminem comes out and says it like he sees it, rather than using vague metaphors, ala System of Down, or dance around the point like Green Day. There's no room to question what he thinks, but there's also no way for him to "clarify" if he becomes regretful (unlikely).

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Re: Eminem New Video " MOSH" [Re: Fucknuckle]
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The Constitution has no written parts with a backdoor to Civil war.




True, there is no explicit text saying this in the Constitution, but in the Declaration of Independence:

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That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.



Now, combine this with the fact that the Bill of Rights ensures our right to bear arms, it would make sense that the Founding Fathers realized that there may come a time when the government becomes too oppressive and we will need to overthrow it and institute a new government

Just like they did with Great Britain

You know, you speak of how loyal you are to your country and how you will always go along with what they say and do, but following this logic if you were around in the days of the Revolutionary War you would've done the same to Great Britain, your parent country, and been one of those against the Revolutionary War. You should open up your mind and stop being so brittle against change or unhappiness with the government, for it is the people who change the government for the better who are the true Patriots, not those who blindly follow all the government does


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