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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7452492 - 09/25/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Phred has already covered this and provided links, but naturally, nobody bothers to follow up. Instead you guys just keep asking the same question Phred has already REPEATEDLY answered.
I'll try a more direct approach, since clicking Phred's links seems to be too much work for the local Truth Seekers:
I got an e-mail from Tyler Antar, a University of Florida junior, who was in the auditorium Monday when campus police Tasered 21-year-old Andrew Meyer during a forum with Sen. John Kerry.
I spoke to Antar this morning about what happened before the video snapped on. Together with details from Florida newspapers, from the police report and from Meyer's own Web site, another side of Kerry's heckler emerged today. His jerky side. More important, there's also some suggestion that Meyer went into the forum looking for trouble. The cops overreacted, but was Meyer egging them on for the camera?
Antar says that he was standing about 15 feet away from Meyer during the confrontation, and that the YouTube video tells only half the story. What you don't see is what happened before Meyer began to speak.
Someone else was asking Kerry a question, and then, while that person was speaking, Meyer came bounding out of the aisle and grabbed a mike. "He began shouting that Sen. Kerry needs to answer his question because he's been waiting in line for the longest time," Antar told me.
After Meyer caused the disturbance, two officers who'd been standing to the side of the room moved closer to him, Antar said. At that point, Antar told me, Meyer began taunting the officers. "He turned to the cops and said, 'What, are you going to Taser me? Are you going to arrest me?'"
In the police report, Nicole Mallo -- one of the two officers who used the Taser on Meyer -- writes that after Meyer asked his question, he turned to a "friend" carrying a camera and asked, "Are you taping this? Do you have this? You ready?"
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But the police report documents further self-aggrandizing behavior. To identify himself, Meyer handed the officers a business card (It read: TheANDREWMEYER.com Speak my mind.) Officer Mallo also adds this nugget:
Meyer was transported to the Alachua County Detention Center by my [sic] myself and Officer Vinson. Meyer stated he just wanted Senator Kerry to hear what he had to say and that he was upset when he ended the questions without being heard. Meyer stated, on the way to the jail, "I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong, you were just trying to do your job." Meyer was laughing and being lighthearted in the car, his demeanor completely changed once the cameras were not in sight. Meyer did ask, at one point, if the cameras were going to be at the jail.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
#7452588 - 09/25/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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And what do you think of the questions he asked, setting aside the methods he used? Revolutionaries, no matter their size or influence, really can't follow the rules, you know. He posed questions that the American people deserve to know because it involves their liberties and their freedoms. Why you are attempting to discredit him, I have no idea. The judgment and attention should not fall on his character but on what he asked.
And about the cameras, I speculate that because Meyer was attempting to educate people about facts they might not have known (especially the first point since the information has been published), the use of the medium of television/camera was vital in his plan.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: WScott]
#7452610 - 09/25/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> Revolutionaries, no matter their size or influence, really can't follow the rules, you know.
First he was a determined orator, now he is a revolutionary. 
In reality, he is an attention whore. No different than a two year old in the midst of a temper tantrum pounding their heels into the ground.
> Why you are attempting to discredit him
He managed to do that himself quite well. All I am doing is pointing out the facts, as clearly seen in the video(s), to those that refuse to take off their rose colored glasses. We can pretend that he was a super hero all we like, but when reality comes calling, the ugly truth shines true; he is nothing more than an immature child pleading for somebody to pay attention to him.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Seuss]
#7452651 - 09/25/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're taking what I said out of context. A lot of people believe that the government (govern means 'to control', mente is latin for mind) is corrupt and is oppressing and repressing the people for material gain (if not worse). Say, hypothetically, that you yourselves believe this. Would it not be, at the very least, a courageous act to push back? Would it not be just?
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
#7452705 - 09/25/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Diploid, you're basing your argument on someones blog? I said a reliable news source, not some finks rants.
Prove it to me through a news source such as CNN, USA Today, etc. Anyone can rant on thier blog. I have a website of my own, but that doesn't make me credible if I start ranting about a controversy on my website.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7452714 - 09/25/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pledge2Educate said: Really, now let's see you back up your statement with some evidence. Qoute a reliable news source with a link to the news article.
Lets see you quote one to prove me wrong... All 3 big news channel's (CNN, MSNBC, and the Faux News Chanel) and local news was where I heard that. The guy was acting like a jackass and got tasered for it. This guy is no hero of free speech or a political activist he's immature attention whore.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7452738 - 09/25/07 05:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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if the new standard is to put handcuffs on every attention whore or annoying civilian that shows up to a town hall meeting now.. then so be it.
I just never got that memo.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7452786 - 09/25/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> Diploid, you're basing your argument on someones blog?
If you go back to the first four or five pages of this post, you will see a transcript that I posted. After that, you will see a quote from somebody that was there before the camera started up. The quoted description continues through the entire event. Based upon how well the story that can be verified matches up to the video, I have no reason to doubt the validity of what was not shown on video.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7452813 - 09/25/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pledge2Educate (ironic name, that) writes:
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Diploid, you're basing your argument on someones blog? I said a reliable news source, not some finks rants.
Prove it to me through a news source such as CNN, USA Today, etc.
That particular quote was from someone who was there. If you want to call someone who watched the whole thing a "fink", the readers of the thread can make up their minds about the value of your contribution to the thread.
As you would know if you had followed the link I've provided twice now, that weblog (michellemalkin.com) also contains links to photocopies of the after action police reports as well as to other comments from other civilians who were there. The police reports and the civilian reports jibe. The fact of the matter is that this incident didn't begin at the time the cameras started rolling, but several minutes earlier, when Meyer jumped the line and rushed to a mic, interrupted the questioner who was legitimately having his/her question addressed by Kerry, berated Kerry and taunted security personnel.
If you choose not to educate yourself about these well documented facts, that is of course your prerogative. If you claim that they are NOT facts just because CNN and NBC haven't bothered to expend the effort to do a proper followup, that too is your prerogative. And guess what? It makes not a damn bit of difference to my life one way or the other. You're not the first I've come across on this board who prefers to live a fact-free existence. You certainly won't be the last.
I go to the trouble of providing facts for those actually interested in educating themselves. Those who have no such interest are no concern of mine. The facts are there for you to review -- if facts matter to you. If they don't (and it is clear from your comments so far that they don't) no number of links will budge you from your willful ignorance.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
#7452868 - 09/25/07 06:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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My apologies for using the same analogy twice in one thread, but surely there were those that perceived the Boston Tea Party as immature and disruptive as well.
When someone does something good, there are always going to be those that are against it. When someone does something bad, people are going to disagree with it as well, obviously. We should not be taking sides as to what our opinions on this man is because there will always be debate and most likely it won't get us anywhere (the 18 pages should be a testament to that, lol). Rather, as I have said repeatedly (my apologies), I believe we should instead be focusing on what the point of it all was. The 'disruptive man' said his goal was to educate the people about the three points/questions he posed. Frankly, I doubt he believed his questions would get answered.. and that is most likely his point.
In my view, he was directly protesting the scripted and repetitive forum, and indirectly protesting the 'system' that the majority (though the number is shrinking) of people don't even think to question - when they absolutely should.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: WScott]
#7452934 - 09/25/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have yet to say the kid was in the right, he failed to follow proper procedure, this is quite evident. I have also stated that the police were in the wrong for using excessive force to subdue the kid, when he could have been taken out of the forum with ease. An issue was made out of this, because the kid was tasered in the first place, as opposed to being cuffed, and removed promptly.
As far as news sources go, yes I will give tremendously more heed to a news source such as CNN, NBC, etc. then I would someones personal blog, even if the blogger was present at the event.
Being a John Kerry Q&A, I'd guarentee there were also News Crews there, all of which have failed to uphold this bloggers stated facts.
I have clicked on the links provided, hence why I knew it was a bloggers personal website that boasts the alledged facts of what went down prior to the tasings occurence.
I also would not put it past a blogger to fabricate information in order to raise the page statistics for the blog.
On another note, my screen name Pledge2Educate is nothing more, than an association to my website pledge2educate.org.
I don't claim to know every detail about this incident, nor do I want to. I have much better things to occupy my time than the rants of blogger or the attention whore Meyers.
Does this make me uneducated? Absolutely not, I have a B.A. in Computer Science from R.I.T. What it does make me is uninterested in this situation, as it has been played out. The situation is well over and nothing more than a page in history.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7452970 - 09/25/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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when he could have been taken out of the forum with ease.
Ease? You haven't watched the videos.
The police tried REPEATEDLY to remove him. He fought back. This went on for some time.
Finally, to avoid injuring him, they zapped him and it was over.
You would rather they have dislocated one of his joints forcing him into cuffs? Why am I not surprised.
Why do you want the police to be a brutes instead of technicians? I don't get this.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
#7453068 - 09/25/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll say this, cuffs hurt tremendously less then being tasered, this I know from experience. I would rather be thrown to the ground and cuffed anyday before being tasered.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7453077 - 09/25/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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As far as news sources go, yes I will give tremendously more heed to a news source such as CNN, NBC, etc. then I would someones personal blog, even if the blogger was present at the event.
There was no staff from USA Today or CNN or NBC at the event. There were, however, students -- some of whom have told what they know to Florida papers and to weblogs. There were also security personnel who are required by law to type up reports of the incident. These reports are available as .pdf files at various blogs, including this one http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/19/document-drop-the-andrew-meyer-taser-stunt-police-report/ which I now post for the third time in this thread. At that link, there is a link to another earlier post (before the police reports were available) which is also quite informative http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/17/student-tasered-at-john-kerry-forum/ -- it contains comments from others who were at the event and witnessed the incident from the beginning.
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Being a John Kerry Q&A, I'd guarentee there were also News Crews there, all of which have failed to uphold this bloggers stated facts.
Actually, there weren't. At least, not from any of the big nationals news organizations.
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I don't claim to know every detail about this incident, nor do I want to.
Yet you "know" enough about it to dismiss eyewitness accounts. You know more about it than those who were there. Because the ones who were there are "finks". Uh huh.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7453085 - 09/25/07 07:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pledge2Educate writes:
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I would rather be thrown to the ground and cuffed anyday before being tasered.
Too bad Meyers didn't have the same preference.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7453149 - 09/25/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would rather be thrown to the ground and cuffed anyday before being tasered.
Mayer had that option. He didn't choose it.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
#7453178 - 09/25/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know one news station that was there, Bay News 9. It's a Florida Station, yes. A very reliable one that has had extensive coverage on the incident.
They showed the video of the tasing, along with the beforehand action, and after the tasing well before the first video hit Youtube.
Yet thier video coverage, yes video coverage, does not support the claim of this blogger.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Pledge2Educate]
#7453318 - 09/25/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Their video coverage didn't show Meyer rushing to a mike and browbeating Kerry into making an exception for him? It doesn't show the security officers approaching him at that time? It doesn't show him asking them "What are ya gonna do? Arrest me? Taser me?"
At what point then did their video coverage begin? Did they show the entirety of the event? All two hours? No... they did what every news station does -- they edited it down to what THEY deemed would have the most impact in the airtime they allotted to the story.
Why would at least two civilian eyewitnesses and at least two of the campus police -- KNOWING there was a local Florida station taping the whole thing -- make up the exact same story about Meyers behavior in the minutes leading up to the publicized part? Answer: they didn't. They described his behavior accurately.
Face it, dude... Meyers was a yutz from the get go. He didn't get tasered for asking about Skull and Bones (despite kotik's flamboyant choice of phrasing for his thread title), he got tasered for flailing around like a loon while he was being cuffed.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
#7453373 - 09/25/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Meyers acted inappropriatly and did not follow the forums Q&A rules, I will not disagree to this fact, yet I tire of this thread. If you have Bright House Cable and live in the Tampa Bay, FL area, you can watch the whole video, all 2 hours on Channel 342 Bay News 9 on Demand.
In anycase, I'm done with this thread. I thank everybody for the debate, it was intriguing.
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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: WScott]
#7453832 - 09/25/07 10:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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WScottsdale said: My apologies for using the same analogy twice in one thread, but surely there were those that perceived the Boston Tea Party as immature and disruptive as well.
Comparing this incident to the Boston Tea Party is like taking a dump on the graves of the founding fathers and wiping your ass with the Declaration of Independence. The Bostonians had a pretty good reason to be "immature and disruptive." They were being taxed unfairly and subjugated by the King of England. This kid was a smart ass who wanted attention. If he wanted to make a point he could have waited his turn and asked his question in an intelligent mature way. Instead he chose to make a scene. I stand by my statement that he's an immature attention whore. I drove a school bus for a year so I recognize an immature attention whore when I see one. He reminds me of some smart ass kid trying to look cool.
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