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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7424056 - 09/18/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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There's no justification for going up to someone and smiling and then tazering the shit out of him for nothing but protesting peacefully.

I agree. But that's not what happened here.

He was asked to leave private property, refused, then got tased.

Refusing to leave when asked is not protesting peacefully. What video did YOU watch? :rolleyes:




private property?  isn't this at a college, paid for by taxpayer's money?

also, what kind of protest ends when someone asks them to leave?  LOL!  If that's your idea of a peaceful protest, then I really don't have anything to say.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7424077 - 09/18/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

private property? isn't this at a college, paid for by taxpayer's money?

It's a building owned by the school. It's not a public park.

When the owner of a building tells you to leave, you should leave or the cops will ask you next.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7424108 - 09/18/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

well I know for SURE i missed that part of the video.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7424143 - 09/18/07 02:58 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

> well I know for SURE i missed that part of the video.

It is in my transcript, 90 seconds in. The guy in the suit standing behind him, presumable the moderator, says something to the student. It is difficult to understand, but sounds like, "Your time is up". The student replies (can't hear it) and the police move up to escort him out as the guy in the suit (moderator?) makes the cutting motion to whoever is controlling the microphone (assumed, and backed up by comments from people that were there). Based upon the cutting motion to the mic (assumed) and the police movement, I suspect that the guy refused to stop speaking.

Please note, my assumptions are just that, and clearly indicated. I am trying to be careful and not claim something as fact that I am not certain of from watching the video.

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7424171 - 09/18/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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It's not had the student been a threat to anyone.

That doesn't matter jiggy. He was asked to leave private property and refused. THAT is what started this. He combativeness escalated it.

If someone in your home not threatening you refuses to leave after you've asked him to, what would you have the police do in that case?




That's the thing. If someone wasn't a threat to me, why I would ask them to leave if I invited them there?

Like Kerry said, in a post interview about the situation, "a healthy discussion was going on."


Without a threat of harm being posed against myself, property or guests, I don't see why "I" would be thinking, "call the police".

( Isn't that being paranoid or power tripping for the sake of power tripping?)

Looks like some rash and harsh uncalled for judgments and acting took place.

I wish we could've seen what would've happened had the cops just let Kerry handle the dialogue.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7424209 - 09/18/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

> I wish we could've seen what would've happened had the cops just let Kerry handle the dialogue.

Based upon what I watched, the guy wasn't going to give Kerry a chance to talk. Have you really sat back and listened to the guy ramble? Try to transcribe it and you will see what I mean. He doesn't pause to take a breath for almost 90 seconds. I've known cokeheads that couldn't keep that pace going. Seriously. Watch the first 90 seconds that occur before the police touch the kid. I have no reason to think he would not have kept that pace going all night, given the opportunity.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Seuss]
    #7424238 - 09/18/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

When Kerry interrupted with, " Are you going to ask a question?" The kid got it in and two others out pretty quickly after that.

By that point, the dialogue just between Kerry and the student became a cluster fuck because the student was being interrupted by the moderator and cops. An exchange was taking place there as well and I think it was rude of them to interrupt the kid when Kerry seemed to have things under control.

I think Kerry could've handled him with some verbal wit and sparring or in the direction he seemed to be going, some assertion to get the kid to his point, and then, a thoughtful answer. He is a politician after all, a seasoned Senator and almost became our President.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7424246 - 09/18/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

ya, he was almost pres except for the skull and bones thing...

*zap!*

ow! where did that come from?  :wink:


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7424272 - 09/18/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

the student was being interrupted by the moderator and cops

He was not being interrupted. The question period was over before he even got to the mic. He forced his way to the mic anyway and started blathering. Everyone else sat down like normal people. And guess what? None of them got tased or arrested.

You're defending a guy acting like a spoiled brat who got what he deserved simply because that's the anti-establishment position. Nevermind logic or the truth of the transcript.

The police enforce rules with force. That's what they're for. Had this nut case pulled a gun and shot Karry or someone in the audience, you'd now be screaming how inept the police were for not forcibly restraining an obviously agitated and escalating nutcase who's refused several orders to leave the building and instead kept rushing toward the stage.

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7424288 - 09/18/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Had this nut case pulled a gun and shot Karry or someone in the audience, you'd now be screaming at how inept the police were for not forcibly restraining an obviously agitated and escalating nutcase who's refused several orders to leave the building and instead kept rushing toward the stage.




hypothetical are fun, aren't they?

What if halfway through his question, an officer put a loaded combat shotgun to his temple and fired? Then what?


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7424318 - 09/18/07 03:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Another interesting... I just read the stuff from Phred's link earlier by people that were there. One guy writes:

"Then you enter the video that has been circulating around, where he asks his question, not before Accent Speaker’s Bureau president, Stephen Blank (in some videos, front row left side of right aisle), signals the AV guys to cut Meyer off. Meyer then was confused what happened, and then was dragged up the auditorium. Meyer kept screaming why is he being arrested. The other videos do not show that Meyer was handcuffed, before he was tasered. I sat in the back row, with this occuring less than 5 feet from me."


Watching the video, the above blurb is obviously false.

The mic wasn't turned off until 90 seconds after Meyer started speaking. The cut the mic immediately after he asked about skull and bones as the cops were approaching him.

Next, Meyer was pushed up the isle out of the auditorium, not dragged. As the police were pushing him, he ran in the direction they were pushing to get away, then doubled around to try and get back to the front of the room.

Also, if you watch carefully, you will see that he is not handcuffed. He rolls over on to his right side (from his stomach) and tries to sit up. A cop clearly has a hold on his left wrist. This is clearly visible. You can see his hand pushing on a something (a chair or leg). If he was handcuffed at this time, he would not have been able to lean up, nor would his wrist be available to be held. While he is in this position, trying to get up again, the zapzapzapzap starts up. He quickly goes back down on to his stomach and you see two cops wrench his left arm from his front/side to behind his back to be cuffed. At most, he might have had a cuff on his right wrist, but he certainly was not in custody at the time of being tazed.

This picture was taken immediately (less than a second) before he is tased. The hand you see is the Meyer's, being held by the cop to the right. Obviously not handcuffed.



I found another angle. His one wrist is handcuffed, and as they try to lock it on the other he struggles and sits up to the picture you see above. At that point, they zap him.

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7424337 - 09/18/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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kotik said:
Quote:

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Had this nut case pulled a gun and shot Karry or someone in the audience, you'd now be screaming at how inept the police were for not forcibly restraining an obviously agitated and escalating nutcase who's refused several orders to leave the building and instead kept rushing toward the stage.




hypothetical are fun, aren't they?

What if halfway through his question, an officer put a loaded combat shotgun to his temple and fired?  Then what?




:lol:

Did you see how that cop drew his gun and pointed it at the guy right away? I thought that was a little hasty...

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7424394 - 09/18/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

The inimitable Scrappleface weighs in -- http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2689

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Kerry Says Tasered Student ‘Seared’ in His Memory

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(2007-09-18) — Sen. John Kerry, D-MA, said today that a University of Florida student who was Tasered after cursing police while resisting arrest during a Kerry speech is “seared…seared in my memory.”

Florida student Andrew Meyer, 21, drew police attention during a Q&A session by vigorously filibustering Sen. Kerry, verbally attacking him for his failure to contest the 2004 presidential election results, his failure to yank funding from the U.S. military in Iraq, and his failure to impeach President George Bush, who is reportedly Mr. Kerry’s Skull & Bones fraternity brother.

Sen. Kerry attempted to answer what he called the “very important question”, but his calm, measured words were drowned out by the screaming of the newly-energized Mr. Meyer.

Later, the professional Vietnam veteran expressed concern that the student’s freedom of speech had been squelched in “a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan…that is, if Mr. Khan had been able to buy a high-voltage stun gun.”






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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
    #7424494 - 09/18/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

If he wouldnt have been such a drama queen the police wouldnt have gotten jealous and stole the show.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: gmuralid]
    #7424497 - 09/18/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=657_1190085332

When you watch this full version of the guy it appears as if the guy is off his meds. Blow jobs and and secret societies. What the fuck is wrong with him? When the cops ask him to comply yelling and swing your arms "Get the fuck off me" is not the right answer. What a tard. LOL


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7424498 - 09/18/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Diploid, I simply don't see where the kid was disturbing the peace.

Kerry and he were having a dialogue at a Q & A and the next thing you know, the kid is being harassed. He's studying to be a journalist, it's a college campus, a Senator was there having a forum with students. You would expect to see, such, Kerry could've handled him like a Pro, and all would've been well.

Instead of letting the kid embarrass himself with his emotional rambling, the cops action lead to Kerry's visit becoming a national embarrassment for the school.

Clearly, you didn't watch the video I posted. The Q & A was still going on. There was a line, mic's were on, and Kerry is shown pointing to the kid to go next.

Any report you read that said it was over, was wrong. The video proves that.

I don't see where being a spazzy journalistic student is a crime.

Kerry is even defending the student.



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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7424544 - 09/18/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

> Diploid, I simply don't see where the kid was disturbing the peace.

The moment the moderator told the kid his time was up and the kid kept talking...

> Any report you read that said it was over, was wrong. The video proves that.

No it doesn't, though it took me a while to figure out what was going on. At first, it does appear just as you say.

From an eyewitness (that has an account that matches up to what I saw in the video):

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Anyway, after he was done, a university ambassador asked Kerry a few premade questions. Once that was over, Senator Kerry announced he would take questions from the students.

There were two microphones placed on each side of the aisle. One on my side and the other on Andrew Meyer’s side. Senator Kerry began answering the student’s questions from each aisle. Eventually it was announced that there would only be a few more questions answered. Since Meyer and I were both in the back of each line, it did not seem likely that our questions would be answered.

However, while Senator Kerry was responding to a student’s question, all of a sudden Meyer rushed to the microphone with cops in pursuit. At that point no one knew what was going on. Could he have a gun, a bomb? Immediately, Meyer began yelling into the microphone that he had been waiting in line forever and that Senator Kerry should “spend time to answer everyone’s questions!”

Senator Kerry tried to calm the student down by telling him that he would “stay here as long as it takes to get the questions answered.” The police approached Meyer who began taunting them by saying “what! are you going to taser me? are you going to arrest me?!” The police grabbed Meyer, but Senator Kerry asked the police to let him go and that he would answer his question. Senator Kerry finished answering the other student’s question and then proceeded with Meyer. (*This entire scene is not in any video I can find so far. This is why 2 cops are seen right behind Meyer at the start of some videos*).


Meyer approached the microphone and began to talk about a book he had which stated that Kerry won the 2004 election because of disenfranchisement of black voters and faulty voter machines that produced “Bush” as the winner. He then posed another question about why President Bush had not been impeached. “President Clinton was impeached because of a blowjob, why not Bush?”. The third and strangest question he posed to Senator Kerry was asking him if he was part of the skull and bones society with Bush at Yale. Meyer’s mic cut off after that, probably because he had mentioned the word “blowjob”. The cops grabbed him, but Meyer was able to get away several times.




Meyer also refers to the events that day as the "Kerry Protest" outside the auditorium as the police are taking him away.

> Kerry is even defending the student.

With all the people screaming "police brutality" that haven't really looked beyond the edited stuff on youtube, all Kerry is trying to do is save face. "Why yes, the kid was right, and the police were mean. Vote for me!"

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Seuss]
    #7424829 - 09/18/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, not that I have seen many of the full videos I am even more convinced that Meyer did nothing wrong. Ok yes, the easy way not to get tasered by the cops is to just comply (how many shroomery posters comply with the law?) but Meyer was standing up for something by pressing the questions and challenging the cops attempt to silence his 1st amendment. His first minute+ of questioning was not rambling, he was asking some very good questions. And we can tit for tat all day about when exactly "this" was said or "that" was done but I say stand back for a second and really get a feel for the circumstances and the reaction of the police. The police reaction was totally out of line. I believe that Kerry is sincere in his "general" support of Meyers and "general" disapproval of police actions. He was an officer on a swift boat in Vietnam and has seen some nasty shit. After his duty he was a speaker for Vietnam Veterans Against the War. I believe a sincere protester being brutalized by police would strike a negative reaction in John Kerry.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: ChesterCopperpot]
    #7424858 - 09/18/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

The more I read people trying to defend this guy, the more I realize that people haven't a clue how the law, or the constitution work...

> Ok yes, the easy way not to get tasered by the cops is to just comply

Exactly. When the cops arrive the game is lost and damage control is all that is left. You do whatever you can to minimize the damage so that you can fight another day.

> how many shroomery posters comply with the law?

Complying with "immoral legislation" and obeying a cop are two very different things.

> and challenging the cops attempt to silence his 1st amendment

The event had 1st amendment protections. Meyer was a guest. When the moderator asked him to leave, he did not have the right to stay. He became a trespasser at that point. He could have executed his first amendment rights at another location, but he chose instead to fight the police like an idiot.

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: ChesterCopperpot]
    #7424879 - 09/18/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

the cops attempt to silence

He was not silenced. The question period was over BEFORE he forced his way to the microphone.

His first minute+ of questioning was not rambling... he was asking some very good questions

Irrelevant. The question period was over. Everyone else in line ahead of him was sitting down because the question period was over.

Is anyone reading this thread? Hello?

And we can tit for tat all day about when exactly "this" was said or "that" was done

So the truth about what REALLY happened isn't important, only how you 'feel' about it is important. :rolleyes:


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