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OfflineShroompowah
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9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments.
    #6348602 - 12/08/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

The arguments supporting these ideas reflect thoughts ive had ever since 9/11 for the most part. Mostly it felt like intuition.
http://www.officialconfusion.com/shayleronsky.html
Peace

Edited by Shroompowah (12/08/06 05:13 PM)

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Shroompowah]
    #6348654 - 12/08/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Irish "undocumented construction workers" planted those explosives, which were provided to them by the FARC. The Nerdle Wombanger Cabal has uncovered much disturbing evidence about what really happened on 9/11.

"The Irish Voice reported that undocumented Irish "construction workers" had been working at the World Trade Center on the day it was attacked. "As the Irish Voice reported last week, another undocumented Irish worker using false identification who narrowly escaped with his life stated that he saw many other Irish undocumented construction workers going up to a higher floor on the morning that the blasts occurred." Not only were these "construction workers" merely undocumented, but they also assumed false pseudonyms.3 This "construction worker" façade would certainly be useful to anyone wishing to plant explosives."

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6349430 - 12/08/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Damn Irish!  Bomb them, I say!  :rolleyes:


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Seuss]
    #6349460 - 12/08/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, I agree. First take out Ireland and then Aruba.

Edited by MushmanTheManic (12/08/06 10:06 PM)

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6351925 - 12/09/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

wtf?

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Shroompowah]
    #6352797 - 12/09/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

The people who are trying to prove that 9/11 was an inside job are starting to look like the people who tried to prove the moon landing was fake. That is to say that they take a few points that bring up questions and then select sparse bits of evidence that can be interpreted many ways, interpret that evidence in the way that suits their hypothesis, and (of course) conveniently disregard the inevitable sea of evidence they come across which doesn't agree with them, without even bothering to come up with an explanation as to why the evidence to the contrary isn't worth looking at... aside from the implied explanation that they don't want to accept any evidence which might prove their poorly constructed conspiracy theory to be incorrect.

To put it simply, most of these people seem more concerned with proving their idea is right than they are with actually finding out what is right.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Konnrade]
    #6356678 - 12/11/06 02:59 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Man Pentagon Strike is way better!!!!

-http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Shroompowah]
    #6356824 - 12/11/06 05:27 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

It's funny, you'd think that an MI5 agent would have access to enough intelligence to know that Alex Jones is a nut job and you only discredit yourself by appearing on his show...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: DeMush411]
    #6359740 - 12/11/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You Idiot! You fell into one of the many boobytraps invented by Karl Rove and his pack of V.I.L.E. Henchmen! Of course the WTC site was destroyed with pre-planted explosives/thermate charges, military drone planes packed with thermite and an auxillary ejecta apparatus to take care of pesky Building 7 and its archives of incriminating information. But to believe that something other than an airliner hit The Pentagon? MAN you really blew it! You just helped blow the credibility of the whole Truth Movement!

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Viveka]
    #7534252 - 10/19/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Professional Demolition of World Trade Center Building 7

Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, admitted on a September 2002 PBS documentary, 'America Rebuilds' that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack. The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives.

We have attempted to call Larry Silverstein's office on several occasions. Silverstein has never issued a retraction for his comments.

Photos taken moments before the collapse of WTC 7 show small office fires on just two floors.

Firefighters were told to move away from the building moments before it collapsed.

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million!






watch a video here of the wtc building7 collapse - http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/281104unmistakablecharges.htm
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The above clip is taken from this longer video of the WTC-7 collapse, which itself is a small segment of the Naudet brothers' documentary "9/11".

Looking at the upper right-hand corner of the building we see a rapid series of small explosions travelling upward just as the building itself begins to fall. The size, placement and timing of these "puffs" is very consistent with squibs from cutting charges of the type used in professional controlled demolitions, and in fact nothing but small explosive charges could create such an appearance.

The decreasing volume of the building from the collapse itself could not create enough pressure to cause such localized high-velocity effects, and this early in the collapse would have only created a modest overpressure.






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New York Firefighters Discuss Bombs in WTC Towers

In this clip you will hear a discussion between New York Firefighters from September 11 where they describe the WTC and the fact that it looked like detonators were planted in the towers. There is a little profanity in this clip.


vid here - http://www.prisonplanet.com/032404firefightersdiscuss.html

this is the construction worker for the wtc saying it was designed to have a fully loaded plane hitting it and he believes it could with stand multiple hits - vid here http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/141104designedtotake.htm

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German firm probes final World Trade Center deals

German computer experts are working round the clock to unlock the truth behind an unexplained surge in financial transactions made just before two hijacked planes crashed into New York's World Trade Center on September 11.

Were criminals responsible for the sharp rise in credit card transactions that moved through some computer systems at the WTC shortly before the planes hit the twin towers?

Or was it coincidence that unusually large sums of money, perhaps more than $100 million, were rushed through the computers as the disaster unfolded?
(more here http://www.prisonplanet.com/german_firm_probes_final_world_trade_center_deals.htm)





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Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building

Wed Aug 21, 7:45 PM ET
By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism — it was to be a simulated accident.

Officials at the Chantilly, Virginia-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet would crash into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure.

The agency is about 4 miles (6 kilometers) from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport.

Agency chiefs came up with the scenario to test employees' ability to respond to a disaster, said spokesman Art Haubold. No actual plane was to be involved — to simulate the damage from the crash, some stairwells and exits were to be closed off, forcing employees to find other ways to evacuate the building.

"It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility," Haubold said. "As soon as the real world ( news - Y! TV) events began, we canceled the exercise."
more at - http://www.prisonplanet.com/agency_planned_exercise_on_sept_11_built_around_a_plane_crashing_into_a_building.htm





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Former German Defense Minister Confirms CIA Involvement in 9/11: Alex Jones Interviews Andreas Von Buelow

Von Buelow is the former German Defense Minister and Minister of Technology. Von Buelow went public to say the US government carried out 9/11. His book is one of the bestsellers across Europe.
vid here - http://www.prisonplanet.com/020804vonbuelow.html





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WTC Construction Certifiers Say Towers Should Have Easily Withstood Jet Fuel Temperatures

Kevin Ryan/Underwriters Laboratories | November 12 2004

The following letter was sent today by Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Underwriters Laboratories is the company that certified the steel componets used in the constuction of the World Trade Center towers. The information in this letter is of great importance.

Dr. Gayle,

Having recently reviewed your team's report of 10/19/04, I felt the need to contact you directly.

As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year. I'm aware of UL's attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel.

There continues to be a number of "experts" making public claims about how the WTC buildings fell. One such person, Dr. Hyman Brown from the WTC construction crew, claims that the buildings collapsed due to fires at 2000F melting the steel (1). He states "What caused the building to collapse is the airplane fuel…burning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The steel in that five-floor area melts." Additionally, the newspaper that quotes him says "Just-released preliminary findings from a National Institute of Standards and Technology study of the World Trade Center collapse support Brown’s theory."

We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all.

The results of your recently published metallurgical tests seem to clear things up (3), and support your team's August 2003 update as detailed by the Associated Press (4), in which you were ready to "rule out weak steel as a contributing factor in the collapse." The evaluation of paint deformation and spheroidization seem very straightforward, and you noted that the samples available were adequate for the investigation. Your comments suggest that the steel was probably exposed to temperatures of only about 500F (250C), which is what one might expect from a thermodynamic analysis of the situation.

However the summary of the new NIST report seems to ignore your findings, as it suggests that these low temperatures caused exposed bits of the building’s steel core to "soften and buckle." (5) Additionally this summary states that the perimeter columns softened, yet your findings make clear that "most perimeter panels (157 of 160) saw no temperature above 250C." To soften steel for the purposes of forging, normally temperatures need to be above1100C (6). However, this new summary report suggests that much lower temperatures were be able to not only soften the steel in a matter of minutes, but lead to rapid structural collapse.

This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I’m sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans. Alternatively, the contention that this steel did fail at temperatures around 250C suggests that the majority of deaths on 9/11 were due to a safety-related failure. That suggestion should be of great concern to my company.

There is no question that the events of 9/11 are the emotional driving force behind the War on Terror. And the issue of the WTC collapse is at the crux of the story of 9/11. My feeling is that your metallurgical tests are at the crux of the crux of the crux. Either you can make sense of what really happened to those buildings, and communicate this quickly, or we all face the same destruction and despair that come from global decisions based on disinformation and “chatter”.

Thanks for your efforts to determine what happened on that day. You may know that there are a number of other current and former government employees that have risked a great deal to help us to know the truth. I've copied one of these people on this message as a sign of respect and support. I believe your work could also be a nucleus of fact around which the truth, and thereby global peace and justice, can grow again. Please do what you can to quickly eliminate the confusion regarding the ability of jet fuel fires to soften or melt structural steel.

1. http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/102104/coverstory.html 2. CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 61st edition, pg D-187 3. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/P3MechanicalandMetAnalysisofSteel.pdf 4. http://www.voicesofsept11.org/archive/911ic/082703.php 5. http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACWTCStatusFINAL101904WEB2.pdf (pg 11) 6. http://www.forging.org/FIERF/pdf/ffaaMacSleyne.pdf

Kevin Ryan

Site Manager Environmental Health Laboratories A Division of Underwriters Laboratories

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Another Ignored 9/11 Clue: Bomb Sniffing Dogs Removed From WTC Days Before Attack

Jon Rappoport | June 28 2004

As you’ll see from the Newsday excerpt below, tight security at the Twin Towers in NYC was lightened in the days just before the 9/11 attacks.

What makes the particular removal of bomb-sniffing dogs so important are statements from firemen that they heard bombs going off in the Towers on 9/11, as they were carrying out their rescue operation.
more here - http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2004/062804ignoredclue.htm
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the buildinds also collapsed at the speed of gravity not like the official explanation says, where they say it pancaked. if it pancaked they wouldnt fall at the speed of gravity. jet fuel doesnt melt steel too.




Wargames Were Cover For the Operational Execution of 9/11

Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson | Updated September 20 2004

UPDATE: Alex Jones Discusses 9/11 Wargames in April 2004 Video

For almost three years since 9/11 independent researchers have stockpiled individual smoking guns which prove that the official version of events was not only a lie but operationally impossible.

However, no single smoking gun has yet been forwarded to explain why air defenses categorically reversed Standard Operating Procedure and failed to respond to hijacked jetliners.

Until now. More and more individuals are looking at the facts and highlighting exercise drills that took place on the morning of 9/11.

It is clear that at least five if not six training exercises were in operation in the days leading up to and on the morning of 9/11. This meant that NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time. NORAD had been briefed that this was part of the exercise drill and therefore normal reactive procedure was forestalled and delayed.

The large numbers of 'blips' on NORAD screens that displayed both real and 'drill' hijacked planes explain why confused press reports emerged hours after the attack stating that up to eight planes had been hijacked. Click here for that article.

The drill scenario also explains a comment made by air traffic control personnel which was featured in a July 2004 BBC television report. Click here for that video clip and article. The controller is told that a hijacked airliner is heading for New York and responds by saying, "is this real world or an exercise?"
more at - http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm





some videos people might be intrested in -

9-11 mysteries
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=9-11+mysteries&total=506&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

loose change- http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change&total=3441&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

BYU Professor Steven E Jones WTC Lecture - http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586&q=steven+e+jones&total=147&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

9-11 in plane site - http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5386487651203625811&q=9-11+in+plane+site&total=204&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

david ray griffin 9-11 commision report:omissions and distortions (59mins)- http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6837001821567284154&q=david+ray+griffin&total=307&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7534257 - 10/19/07 06:19 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you for not creating a new thread.  :smile:


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Seuss]
    #7534290 - 10/19/07 06:38 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

no problem.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7534317 - 10/19/07 06:59 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Hah. You want to hear some really nutty 9/11 conspiracy theory?

I was in college during 9/11. We always had a lot of moron socialist LaRouche supporters that would hang out at the university center which was the hang out back in the day. They always had these magazines and pamphlets with the most audacious claims. Everyone always ignored them because they had about as much credibility as a trashy gossip magazine you see in the check out isle at the supermarket.

They were always trying to cause trouble and stir people up. Most people ignored them, but it backfired after 9/11.

Like anyone could know immediately after 9/11 what really happened. The day we get back to classes.. they're at the UC and somhow they're convinces it was an attack by the BRITTISH in retaliation for the American Revolution. 1.5 days and they already had LITERATURE all about it. Damn those Larouche supporters are fast. If only they they put that effort into trying not to be retards.

Anywho... they start this mini protest in the middle of the UC trying to convince this people of what's going on... right next to the Arab chicks who set up a table in a good will gesture selling these spicy, AMAZING meat pocket food thingies. Damn they were good. We called them "terrorist burgers" that day. Anywho.... Most of us people were just laughing at the socialists... we were used to them lecturing everyone on campus.... but eventually there were plenty of people who had lost friends and family in the attacks that started getting more irritated and getting into arguments with them,telling them they were makinga mockery of a tragedy.

Well it didn't take long , but eventually the students got into an uproar... pushing them back.. smashing their tables, ripping up their literature and stomping on everything they had.... By mid afternoon they were sitting there, still trying to convince people that their ridiculous hair-brained idea was the truth... standing next to their massive pile of destroyed tables, chairs, trashed magazines, ripped posters... occasionally withstanding a pelting of rocks and books by students that were fed up with them.

It was quite a site.... it would have been amusing if it hadn't been a slap in the face to those students who had lost loved ones. If I hadn't been totally convinced BEFORE that LaRouche was an asshole who only could get people to listen to him by throwing hissy fits and his supporters performing shock-value protests... I definately was that day.

To this day, everytime I walk around DC and run into some LaRouche-ites with their tables set up preaching at people... I have to hold myself back from spitting in their faces, knocking over their tables, and telling them to get a life.

Edited by BrAiN (10/19/07 07:07 AM)

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7534331 - 10/19/07 07:07 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i just want to add about people who have lost loved ones, theres many familys now in the "truth movement" who have lost loved ones and say that they want an investigation into what happened on 9-11. my point behing, some people of the familys also say that it was an inside job, so saying that its a slap in the face its not, considering other familys. i agree about silly ideas though, people come up with things what they just assume.

who knows who exackly did 9-11 or why they did it, (if you believe it was an inside job) because all you can do is speculate. ill just say something else a few days after 9-11 it seemed the president ect new exackly who was behind the attacks, so you could say they were wildly speculateing. just a few days later they had all the 19 hijackers named.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7534335 - 10/19/07 07:11 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I've got nothign against the "truth movement". It's every American's right to be suspicious of what the gov't tells them and to want the truth.

I'm just saying... a DAY after 9/11... and suddenly these people who always have some sort of consporacy theory zine... claim they know eveything about the attack and come up with some stupid, hair brained idea that the BRITTISH caused it as a relatiation for the REVOLUTION 250 years ago.... it's nothing but a stunt to get attention to draw attention to their socialist presidential candidate... a person who was tying to seek presidential office from JAIL. LaRouche is a cock sucker.

THAT"s WHY I'm saying it was a slap in the face.

Now that we've had time to examine all the evidence...I don't believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories, but I have nothing against those who don't believe it was a simple terrorist attack.

If you want to fire people up to "seek the truth".. more power to you... but don't just do it because you want attention.

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7534338 - 10/19/07 07:14 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Project for the New American Century (PNAC)
Project for the New American Century is a neo-conservative think-tank that promotes an ideology of total U.S. world domination through the use of force. The group embraces and disseminates an ideology of faith in force, U.S. supremacy, and rejection of the rule of law in international affairs.

The group's core ideas are expressed in a September 2000 report produced for Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, and Lewis Libby entitled Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century. The Sunday Herald referred to the report as a "blueprint for U.S. world domination."

According to the Sonoma State University media research group Project Censored, The Neoconservative Plan for Global Dominance was the Top Censored Media Story of 2002-2003.

PNAC's membership includes people such as Richard Perle, Elliot Abrams, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and William Kristol.

PNAC began to enter the public consciousness when journalist Neil Mackay wrote about the September 2000 report in the September 15th, 2002 edition of the Sunday Herald. According to the article, the report sparked outrage from British Labour MP Tom Dalyell:

Tam Dalyell, the Labour MP, father of the House of Commons and one of the leading rebel voices against war with Iraq, said: 'This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawks -- men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war. Men like Cheney, who were draft-dodgers in the Vietnam war.

'This is a blueprint for US world domination -- a new world order of their making. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world. I am appalled that a British Labour Prime Minister should have got into bed with a crew which has this moral standing.'

The Sunday Herald article highlighted the following goals from the 2000 report, which it termed an "American grand strategy" and "blueprint of world domination":

The U.S. must take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein is in power: "While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."
The U.S. must "fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars" as a "core mission"
The U.S. forces are "the cavalry on the new American frontier"
The report builds upon the 1992 draft document "Defense Planning Guidance," which claimed that the U.S. must "discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role"
Permanent U.S. bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, whether or not Saddam Hussein is in power
Increasing military pressure on China: "it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia" which will lead to "American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China"
"the creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US"
The report contains ambivalent language toward bioterrorism and genetic warfare: "New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool"
Development of "world-wide command-and-control system" to contain dangerous regimes of North Korea, Libya, Syria, and Iran.
Some of PNAC's members and associates have been implicated in conflict of interest scandals involving the ways that they profit from the wars and military spending that they promote. For more information, see Who Profits From War? .






from http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7534351 - 10/19/07 07:21 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Journalists are asked to arrive with an open mind as this is a truth which they are in no position to determine and they may be risking their chances of eternal life. I will be discussing my journey of spiritual redemption, why I know in my heart I am the Messiah and the mission to teach humanity in the run-up to 2012.

This is all rather embarrassing for someone who was an atheist technocrat three years ago. And I am painfully aware how mad all this sounds.

There is however ancient evidence to show that the Messiah is phonetically called ‘David Shayler’. When added to recent signs which have appeared independently of me – including a Messianic Cross of Saturn, Mercury, Venus and the Sun in the skies on 7/7/7, the day I was proclaimed Messiah -- it has become inescapable that a higher power is indicating that I am the anointed or chosen one who has come to save humanity.




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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7534354 - 10/19/07 07:21 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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"The PNAC program, in a nutshell: America’s military must rule out even the possibility of a serious global or regional challenger anywhere in the world. The regime of Saddam Hussein must be toppled immediately, by U.S. force if necessary. And the entire Middle East must be reordered according to an American plan. PNAC’s most important study notes that selling this plan to the American people will likely take a long time, "absent some catastrophic catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." (PNAC, Rebuilding America’s Defenses (1997), p.51)"
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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7534365 - 10/19/07 07:26 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

(from other thread).

and you have to ask yourself when something like 9-11 happens, who bennifits from it???. (in a crime scence thats normally how they find a suspect). and ill give you a few examples from who bennifited -

1, goerge bush/cheneys oil company deffinatly bennifited, in the wars what they started because of the war they can now put pipe lines through the country.

2, larry silverstein got about 4-9 billion dollars from the "attack" because he got it insured 6 months before, and what did he get it insured against?, acts of terrorism. just a coincidence?

3, the military love wars and so do the banks of countrys so they will of deffinatly bennifited. countrys are in crisis and you can loan them money and then basicly you have a good firm grip around there county beause they are indebted to you.

4, through acts of "terrorism" the american and british people have lost a fair few civil libertys. the partiot act got passed in america to name that as an example. phone calls can be monitored ect. all for our own safety of course/.

there will be more but this is just of the top of me head and there is loads more things what point the finger of it behing an inside job of some sort. one of those is - world trade centre building 7, it wasnt hit by a plane it only had light fires and that building collapsed 5hours after the world trade centre attacks. fires cant melt steel and not only that but they say the reason it collapsed was because it was structually unsound. if that was the case you would expect people to die in the buildings right?, i think im right in saying no-one died in the building because it was evacuated. and even the owner on air larry silverstein said " we had to much loss of life that day, so i told them to pull it" and pull it means bring the building down. so it takes how long to plant expolsives in buildings?, weeks because you have to set them off at the right places so the building falls in on it self, so wouldnt that indicate that it was planned?.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7534390 - 10/19/07 07:33 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I've got nothign against the "truth movement". It's every American's right to be suspicious of what the gov't tells them and to want the truth.

I'm just saying... a DAY after 9/11... and suddenly these people who always have some sort of consporacy theory zine... claim they know eveything about the attack and come up with some stupid, hair brained idea that the BRITTISH caused it as a relatiation for the REVOLUTION 250 years ago.... it's nothing but a stunt to get attention to draw attention to their socialist presidential candidate... a person who was tying to seek presidential office from JAIL. LaRouche is a cock sucker.

THAT"s WHY I'm saying it was a slap in the face.

Now that we've had time to examine all the evidence...I don't believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories, but I have nothing against those who don't believe it was a simple terrorist attack.

If you want to fire people up to "seek the truth".. more power to you... but don't just do it because you want attention.




i agree mate. i am the same in that sense also, if you dont go along with it behing an inside job then thats fine, people have the right to believe what ever they want. i try to respect that. some theorys out there are very far fetched but others and deffinatley not. what i dont go with though is that some people, because i and others say it was an inside job, they assume that we believe the jews were behind it or that we believe it was done by space beams ect, lol. wich if people want to believe that then allright, but i dont go with any of those ideas.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7534423 - 10/19/07 07:49 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

> i think im right in saying no-one died in the building because it was evacuated.

> building 7, it wasnt hit by a plane it only had light fires and that building collapsed 5hours after the world trade centre attacks

What damaged the building? The twin towers falling. How long did people have to evacuate 7 after the towers were hit, but before they fell?

> and pull it means bring the building down.

No, in context "pull it" means pull the fire fighters out of harms way. Watch the entire interview, not the highly edited clip, to understand the context of what he was saying.

> larry silverstein got about 4-9 billion dollars from the "attack"

An out right lie by the conspiracy yoyo's trying to sell books. He lost money, not made money. This has been debated to death and there is really no question. Do a search for a post by Economist that explains exactly how much money he lost, and why, in undeniable factual detail.

> fires cant melt steel

Of course they can, and they do. The claim you are trying to make, is that jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel. However, this is a misleading claim. 1) You do not have to melt steel in order to weaken steel under load to the point of collapse. 2) The statement that jet fuel cannot melt steel is based upon the assumption that burning is done in open atmosphere. If you provide burning jet fuel with plenty of oxygen, from updrafts (from elevator shafts, for example), then the fuel burns at a much hotter temperature.

> world trade centre building 7, it wasnt hit by a plane it only had light fires

If you look at pictures of the backside, there was massive damage from the collapse of the towers to building 7. It looks fine from the front, which are the pictures you see in the conspiracy books. Since you like to ask about motives, why do none of the conspiracy sites/books show the pictures of damage to the back side of the building?

> so wouldnt that indicate that it was planned?.

If they had weeks to plan, why didn't they plan so that it looked like an accident (without question)?


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Seuss]
    #7535117 - 10/19/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

A small, lesser known fact is that WT7 also contained large fuel tanks dispersed
through the building for the purpose of running generators.

These feed the fires and led to the internal damage necessary to weaken the structure to the point of collapse.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Seuss]
    #7535559 - 10/19/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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What damaged the building? The twin towers falling. How long did people have to evacuate 7 after the towers were hit, but before they fell?




look at the other buildings in that area wtc 5 and 6 are closer than 7 and also 3 and 4 i think im right in saying. those buildings never fell. and how can the twin towers falling bring down a 47 story building?, its not possible. did the fires jump over?

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No, in context "pull it" means pull the fire fighters out of harms way. Watch the entire interview, not the highly edited clip, to understand the context of what he was saying.





harms way???. what from?. that makes no sense because fires are not strong enough to brind down buildings. the firemen could quite easyilly have put out a few office fires. have you got any pictures of this massive fire?. check this picture out (the madrid skyscraper burned for 20+ hours and never collapsed. look at the fires on that and look at the ones on world trade centre 7 - http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spain_fire_2005.html

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An out right lie by the conspiracy yoyo's trying to sell books. He lost money, not made money. This has been debated to death and there is really no question. Do a search for a post by Economist that explains exactly how much money he lost, and why, in undeniable factual detail




"Another little “coincidence” -- Mr. Silversten, who made a down-payment of $124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7 Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against “terrorist attacks”.

Following the attacks, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy ($7B), based on the two -- in Silverstein's view -- separate attacks. The insurance company, Swiss Re, paid Mr. Silverstein $4.6 Billion — a princely return on a relatively paltry investment of $124 million. " - http://www.ziopedia.org/articles/neocons%10neolibs/"lucky_larry"_silverstein/

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Of course they can, and they do. The claim you are trying to make, is that jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel. However, this is a misleading claim. 1) You do not have to melt steel in order to weaken steel under load to the point of collapse. 2) The statement that jet fuel cannot melt steel is based upon the assumption that burning is done in open atmosphere. If you provide burning jet fuel with plenty of oxygen, from updrafts (from elevator shafts, for example), then the fuel burns at a much hotter temperature.




it still doesnt burn hot enough to melt steel, but not only that if what you say was correct the building wouldnt collapse how it did. only certain floors would be weakened and the buildings wouldnt fall at the speed of gravity. they would pancake and if you look at any videos of the collapse you see with your own eyes that they fall pritty much near on the speed of gravity, that means there was no resistance from the lower floors which they would be if your theory was right. look at the madrid building also.

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If you look at pictures of the backside, there was massive damage from the collapse of the towers to building 7. It looks fine from the front, which are the pictures you see in the conspiracy books. Since you like to ask about motives, why do none of the conspiracy sites/books show the pictures of damage to the back side of the building?




why do non of the news even barely mention it too(wtc7)?. show me some pictures of these infernos and then look at the madrid building, was the steel diffrent?lol

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If they had weeks to plan, why didn't they plan so that it looked like an accident (without question)?




if your going to bring a building down with just fires its pritty hard to make it look like an accident. i dont know why they never, maybe because they too sometimes make mistakes?. just look at wtc7 the way it fell is very typical of a controled demolition.

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535636 - 10/19/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Almost everything you said is either in error, or completely irrelevant.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535658 - 10/19/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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look at the other buildings in that area wtc 5 and 6 are closer than 7 and also 3 and 4 i think im right in saying. those buildings never fell. and how can the twin towers falling bring down a 47 story building?, its not possible. did the fires jump over?




Don't change the subject. Did building 7 get hit by the collapse of the towers? Yes. Was the damage significant? Yes. Do the conspiracy sites show pictures of this damage? No. Why not? Because it shows that building 7 was damaged and they want to sell books, not tell the truth.

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"Another little “coincidence” -- Mr. Silversten, who made a down-payment of $124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7 Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against “terrorist attacks”.




And yet he is still has to pay the remainder of what he owes although he gets no return on his investment. He looses money. I'm not an economist and have a difficult time understanding money matters. However, if you would have read Economists post, you would know this.

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harms way???. what from?. that makes no sense because fires are not strong enough to brind down buildings. the firemen could quite easyilly have put out a few office fires. have you got any pictures of this massive fire?. check this picture out (the madrid skyscraper burned for 20+ hours and never collapsed. look at the fires on that and look at the ones on world trade centre 7 - http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spain_fire_2005.html




Harm from the collapse of building 7, which was imminent. Rather than risk more lives trying to save the building by putting out the fires, they decided to pull the fire fighting crews out. Again, watch the entire interview, not the highly edited segment. Again, ask why the conspiracy sites only show the one little bit out of context rather than the full interview.

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it still doesnt burn hot enough to melt steel, but not only that if what you say was correct the building wouldnt collapse how it did. only certain floors would be weakened and the buildings wouldnt fall at the speed of gravity. they would pancake and if you look at any videos of the collapse you see with your own eyes that they fall pritty much near on the speed of gravity, that means there was no resistance from the lower floors which they would be if your theory was right. look at the madrid building also.




Are you an engineer? I am, half way (EIT, not PE). The building would fall exactly as it did. The areas the melted would buckle, the top would come down as a single bit, and from there it would pancake. "Speed of gravity" in this context is meaningless and outside of this context is a theory. I assume you mean acceleration due to gravity. If you want to argue this point, you need to take some physics classes rather than regurgitating what you have read elsewhere.

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why do non of the news even barely mention it too(wtc7)?. show me some pictures of these infernos and then look at the madrid building, was the steel diffrent?lol




I have no idea about the motives of the media. Regarding the Madrid building vs the WTC, they are two different types of buildings. Steel building versus steel reinforced concrete building. It is an invalid comparison.

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if your going to bring a building down with just fires its pritty hard to make it look like an accident. i dont know why they never, maybe because they too sometimes make mistakes?. just look at wtc7 the way it fell is very typical of a controled demolition.




No, it was not typical of a controlled demolition. Controlled demolitions seldom damage nearby structures. (The area of engineering that I studied was mechanics of explosives.)


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7535662 - 10/19/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

do you believe the buildings fell in consistancy with a weakened structure fire collapse?. i think im right in saying that the wtc1 and 2 were the first buildings in our history to have been brought down by fires. the planes hit the buildings at diffrent points so if the elevator theory was right then it would be a massive coincidense for the jet fuel to go down both of the elavator shafts.

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A small, lesser known fact is that WT7 also contained large fuel tanks dispersed
through the building for the purpose of running generators.

These feed the fires and led to the internal damage necessary to weaken the structure to the point of collapse.






still if that was right then the fuel tanks would have needed to of been placed at the right points to bring the building down. the building fell STRAIGHT down, in controled demolition what they aim to do is bring the building into its basement and with wtc7 you can clearly see that happens. just another coincidense?. you would also here loud explosions and see burs


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7535685 - 10/19/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Wait.. so you guys are saying that:

1. A single plane crash into each building caused them to collapse minutes apart at free-fall controlled demolition speed due to "fire" (even though both buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a 747 and no steel building in human history has ever collapsed from fire)

2. The pentagon was NOT hit with a missile? Where's the evidence there was ever a plane? Planes leave wreckage. And black boxes. And they also apparently bring down skyscrapers designed to withstand the impact of planes. So why did the pentagon just get a hole punched into it? Planes do not just vaporize, sorry.

3. The Project for a New American Century did NOT plan this exact incident years in advance, and FEMA never published this book in 1997:



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Sorry if I don't just blindly believe the "official story" since it's a load of BS.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Shroomism]
    #7535695 - 10/19/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

blah blah blah ...moonbat... blah blah blah ...fabricated evidence... blah blah blah... how could you dare be so insolent... blah blah blah... shutup hippy

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Seuss]
    #7535749 - 10/19/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Don't change the subject. Did building 7 get hit by the collapse of the towers? Yes. Was the damage significant? Yes. Do the conspiracy sites show pictures of this damage? No. Why not? Because it shows that building 7 was damaged and they want to sell books, not tell the truth.





of course its going to be damaged but not to the point of bringing it down. show me some pictures of the damage then or cant you?. i would like to see.

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And yet he is still has to pay the remainder of what he owes although he gets no return on his investment. He looses money. I'm not an economist and have a difficult time understanding money matters. However, if you would have read Economists post, you would know this.





he paid 100+ million for the buildings, insures them against terrorist attacks then makes 4 billion from that.

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Harm from the collapse of building 7, which was imminent. Rather than risk more lives trying to save the building by putting out the fires, they decided to pull the fire fighting crews out. Again, watch the entire interview, not the highly edited segment. Again, ask why the conspiracy sites only show the one little bit out of context rather than the full interview.





because it shows what point they want to make, its not edited also because what larry silverstein says is what he says. yes you can interperate that how ever you want but is it not true that "pull it" is used in demolition terms?. yes it is.

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Are you an engineer? I am, half way (EIT, not PE). The building would fall exactly as it did. The areas the melted would buckle, the top would come down as a single bit, and from there it would pancake. "Speed of gravity" in this context is meaningless and outside of this context is a theory. I assume you mean acceleration due to gravity. If you want to argue this point, you need to take some physics classes rather than regurgitating what you have read elsewhere.





i think you need to take some physics classes because the simple fact is for a building to collapse at the speed of gravity what is needed is no resistance. if the pancake theory was right then only apart of the building would be weighing down on the lower half createing either a pancake (which would go much slower than the building collapsed) or it would topple, which it never did.

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I have no idea about the motives of the media. Regarding the Madrid building vs the WTC, they are two different types of buildings. Steel building versus steel reinforced concrete building. It is an invalid comparison.





the building for the cia is not going to be as strong as the madrid building?. no jet fuel was in wtc7 also and fires simpley dont burn hot enough to burn steel. go to any bit of steel and use all the fire and jet fuel you want and i bet you cant burn it, not to mention the quality of the wtc will be much greater too.

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No, it was not typical of a controlled demolition. Controlled demolitions seldom damage nearby structures. (The area of engineering that I studied was mechanics of explosives.)








this was a massive structure and from what iv heard i think someone says he thinks it was an explosion rather than a implosion ( i could of got those mix round). check out 9-11 mysteries the man who made it is a controled demolition hobbiest, and in the film he just concentrates on the way the buildings fell ect.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535765 - 10/19/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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if what you say was correct the building wouldnt collapse how it did. only certain floors would be weakened and the buildings wouldnt fall at the speed of gravity. they would pancake




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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Shroomism]
    #7535771 - 10/19/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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2. The pentagon was NOT hit with a missile? Where's the evidence there was ever a plane? Planes leave wreckage. And black boxes. And they also apparently bring down skyscrapers designed to withstand the impact of planes. So why did the pentagon just get a hole punched into it? Planes do not just vaporize, sorry.

Sorry if I don't just blindly believe the "official story" since it's a load of BS.




im not sure what hit the pentagon but if it was a plane you would think after hitting lamp posts and knocking them over you would see debris. not only that but a simple easy way to disprove "conspiracy theorists" with the pentagon would be to show the plane crashing into the pentagon but they never at first. it took 5 years and the quality of the picture/vid is total rubbish, you can barely make a plane out, never mind a jumbo.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535775 - 10/19/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Evidence of Thermite on Core Columns at WTC *PIC

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=87932


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    #7535781 - 10/19/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)



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    #7535784 - 10/19/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

> Are you a structural engineer?

Nope, but I have had several of classes in mechanics and dynamics. This mode of failure isn't difficult to understand.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535785 - 10/19/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Evidence it was muslim Al Qaeda members.

http://www.masada2000.org/

http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html

http://www.jihadchat.com/index.php?showforum=6

http://www.apostatesofislam.com

http://www.faithfreedom.org

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/index.php

http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/

http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/index.php

http://www.activistchat.com

http://islam-watch.org/CommunityServer/forums/default.aspx

http://islam-watch.org


http://www.justifythis.blogspot.com/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2829059.stm

http://www.islam-watch.org/

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/

http://tinyurl.com/23porv

http://www.shoaheducation.com/muslimnazi.html

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/pages/6-Mein%20Kampf_jpg_jpg_jpg.htm

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/moslem.htm

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

http://atheism.about.com/cs/islamandviolence/

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/08/17/martyr.culture/index.html

http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html

http://www.domini.org/openbook/home.htm

http://www.persecution.org

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9583

http://www.danielpipes.org/

http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/kafirdomunity/action.htm

http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/BTaliban/Bangla_Taliban_Photos.html

http://www.bwoi.cjb.net

http://www.chechentruth.cjb.net/

http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

http://www.arabsforisrael.com

http://www.rotter.net/israel/

http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/Islam.html

http://www.geocities.com/milkmandan2003/TalibanOnline1.html

http://www.truthtree.com/Debating/posts/755.html

http://www.isralert.com/archives/2005/03/deceit_thy_name.php

http://www.factsandlogic.org

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http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/images/SHIAS_NO_MUSLIM.jpg

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

http://www.venusproject.com/prophet_of_doom/toc.html

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http://www.pmw.org.il/

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http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-koran-manuscripts.htm

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter8/3.html

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/

http://www.jodkowski.pl/re/MBright.html

http://cremesti.com/amalid/Islam/Yemeni_Ancient_Koranic_Texts.htm

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535794 - 10/19/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Never mind the fact that they immediately went to all the nearby places that had video of the Pentagon being hit, confiscated the video and never released it to the public. That's not at all suspicious, no.

Also you would notice the grass outside of where the pentagon was hit was perfectly green immediately afterwards, there is no wreckage and no charred grass from a plane being vaporized (which doesn't happen). And wings don't just break off and vaporize either. Every plane crash ever recorded has left wreckage of some sort no matter how volatile. Engines, black boxes, dead bodies, random pieces of metal strewn across miles. There was none of this at the Pentagon.


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    #7535809 - 10/19/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I must confess. It was me. I caused the war on terrorism and the war in Afganistan and Iraq. Also, I created Al Qaeda from a group of friends I met in Sunday school at the church I used to go to. We were bored so we decided to take over the world, because we thought it would be fun. I was the one flying all of the planes on September 11th. I jumped out of one plane before it crashed and quick jumped into another plane. I found a tunnel leading to a secret underground CIA control center and hacked the computers myself. I altered files and put things in like the Iraqis using Nazi flying saucers, nuclear weapons, hallucinogenic war gases, etc. What a laugh! They fell for it. Now there's war going on everywhere. Its fun. BTW, I'm the one who had all those puts on the stock market before September 11th. I made out like a bandit. I drive around in my Mercedes Benz waving an American flag, have two beautiful blondes with me and just try to impress people with my arrogance and money. I wear a suit and tie and piss out the window of my high rise office building onto construction workers and other non-professionals because I require them to bow down and worship me. I've been a member of Rush Limbaugh's fan club for a long time and recently was able to meet him and be friends with him since I am now allowed to be in the exclusive rich man's club that he's a member of. I've been meeting and advising George Bush and other presidents for a long time. I'm a key member of the Illuminati and the Bergsher group or however you spell it. I planted a lot of the Democratic candidates that you see on TV. They are really actors and are trained to make Democrats look stupid so that the Republicans will win. Also, I have trained people like Tony Blair, John Howard (Prime Minister of Australia) and Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia so they follow my every command. Soon I will own the earth and all of you will build temples for my worship everywhere.

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: zorbman]
    #7535811 - 10/19/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Where's the rest of the plane?


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    #7535815 - 10/19/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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a simple easy way to disprove "conspiracy theorists" with the pentagon would be to show the plane crashing into the pentagon




That video was taken from a surveillance camera and those types of cameras produce notoriously low quality footage. Also keep in mind how fast that plane was going and what a relatively small area the camera was covering. The best you can hope for is a few frames of blurry footage.

Most people do not base their notion of a plane hitting based upon that footage. It is crystal clear to any reasonable person from the debris, the hijacked plane, and the dead passengers including at least one famous person, Barbara Olsen. Helllooo?

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    #7535822 - 10/19/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Where's the rest of the plane?




You are probably breathing some of it right now.


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    #7535831 - 10/19/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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> Are you a structural engineer?

Nope, but I have had several of classes in mechanics and dynamics. This mode of failure isn't difficult to understand.




I was actually replying to peter.

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    #7535844 - 10/19/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Where are all the people who were on the planes?


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    #7535859 - 10/19/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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a simple easy way to disprove "conspiracy theorists" with the pentagon would be to show the plane crashing into the pentagon




That video was taken from a surveillance camera and those types of cameras produce notoriously low quality footage. Also keep in mind how fast that plane was going and what a relatively small area the camera was covering. The best you can hope for is a few frames of blurry footage.

Most people do not base their notion of a plane hitting based upon that footage. It is crystal clear to any reasonable person from the debris, the hijacked plane, and the dead passengers including at least one famous person, Barbara Olsen. Helllooo?

Facts are stubborn things.

Just because you want something to be so does not make it so.




the pentagon is not full of security camaras?, one is going to get a good shot surely. and why confiscate the tapes?.

not only that but the place were the planes hit (another massive co-incidense) is were they were doing repair work, so the people who died were mostly workers. if it hit the other side i think thats dick cheneys office. lucky eh?.


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    #7535883 - 10/19/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Madrid fire heats up 9-11 debate

author: 911truthseeker

Unlike the twin trade towers (and WTC 7), this 32 story steel beamed building remains standing after burning for 17 hours straight. Does steel act differently in Spain or are we confronted with yet another 9-11 anomoly?
Check out these photos for yourself. http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3...
How can a steel beamed building sustain hours and hours of fire without collapsing? Afterall, we were told that the reason the World Trade Center towers fell after only two hours was due to fire. The FEMA report and 9-11 Commission report admitted that the buildings were designed to withstand the impact from airplanes, so we were told fire was the cause of their pancake- like collapse. Now, however, that conclusion comes under even more suspicion. To see and hear more information that contradicts the official version of 9-11, go to the video showing and discussion this Saturday, Feb. 19th from noon to 8pm at the Friends Meeting House on SE Start at 43rd in Portland. Special bonus screening of Votescam at 2pm.



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    #7535899 - 10/19/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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if it hit the other side i think thats dick cheneys office. lucky eh?.




No... very very unlucky.


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    #7535906 - 10/19/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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A True Hero on 9/11
and ever since then...
With Special Guests- Peter Dale Scott, and Cindy Sheehan

Declared a hero for saving numerous lives at ground zero, William Rodriguez was a janitor on duty the morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sublevels of the North Tower before the jetliner struck the top floors. His testimony was omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report.

At great risk to his own life, William re-entered the towers three times after the initial impacts and is believed to be the last person to exit the North Tower alive, surviving the building’s collapse by diving beneath a fire truck. After receiving medical attention at the WTC site for his injuries, he spent the rest of the day aiding in the rescue efforts as a volunteer, and at dawn the next day he was back to help rescue survivors.

In addition to being a spokesperson for the New York City first responders, William is also active in the movement for immigrant rights. He was a major force behind the campaign to encourage undocumented immigrant survivors and relatives of victims to come forward for help without fear of deportation. The group also raised funds for scholarships for children of immigrants killed or maimed in the attacks.

His firsthand account of his experiences that day challenges the official narrative, which claims that the towers' collapse had nothing to do with explosives. He has spoken throughout the world to share his story and to lobby for a genuine international inquiry into the events of 9/11--on behalf of those who died, the survivors, those whose health was compromised, and all who have suffered from bad policy decisions that were based on the official narrative of 9/11.






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“Last Man Out” of World Trade Center Tower #1 Recounts his Chilling and Provocative Story and his Lingering Questions. Daily, William Rodriguez met with co-workers for breakfast at the Windows on the World Restaurant on the 106th floor of World Trade Center Tower #1. Nearly two hundred people, most of William’s friends, were in the restaurant on the morning of September 11. None of them survived. For nearly twenty years, the Puerto Rican-born, New Jersey resident was a custodian in-charge of the three stairwells — A, B and C — in the North Tower. In possession of the master key that opened all of the stairwell doors at each floor in the 110 story building, William Rodriguez personally saved the lives of 15 people that day and aided NYC firefighters in saving hundreds of others. Having told his chilling account to thousands of people across the globe, he comes to Boston sharing his stories of heroic and selfless first responders, his personal witness to explosions in the sub-basements “before” the plane hit the north tower and during the rescue efforts, and tales of strange noises coming from the vacant and restricted 34th floor. Honored five times by President Bush, William Rodriguez has helped draft and implement legislation on behalf of members, in demanding the creation of the 9/11 Commission, during which his testimony was kept private and mysteriously excluded from its final report




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    #7535923 - 10/19/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)



bush caught lying about sept 11th. its only 1 min10secs.


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    #7535941 - 10/19/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=53815767687186956&hl=en
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BROOKLYN, N.Y. - Firefighter John Schroeder, assigned to Engine Company 10 directly across the street from the World Trade Center complex, holds back tears and describes his first-hand experience on Sept. 11th. His story directly contradicts many aspects of the National Commission on Terrorist attacks and corroborates many other eyewitnesses testimony.

“Standing outside the firehouse with my buddies, we were talking about how beautiful the day was. Then just like that, our lives changed forever. Some of those guys I would never see again.”

In this exclusive interview, Firefighter Schroeder recollects in great detail how he was one of the first firefighters to rush to the complex. “We first assembled on West Street, where we saw someone burnt beyond recognition. We were like ‘What is going on here?’ and then went straight into the Marriot building” From there, Firefighter Schroeder made his way to the lobby of the North Tower. “It looked like a bomb went off, and we started making our way up the stairs to rescue as many people as we could.”

As they were making there way up the floors, Firefighter Schroeder heard a huge explosion. “The elevators just blew right out. We couldn’t believe it. The plane hits 80 floors up but the elevators explode at least five minutes later? It was unreal.”

Firefighter Schroeder made it all the way up to the 23rd floor before barely hearing on the failing radios that another plane was coming in. That plane would hit the South Tower though for some reason “We were tossed like a rag doll by another explosion in our building. People were making their way down the stairwells burnt like you couldn’t believe. We were all shocked because it seemed as if there was fire everywhere, on so many floors. It just didn’t make sense”.

John Schroeder, we want to thank you for being as brave as your job requires in speaking out about your experiences on Sept/ 11th. You have set the historical record straight by explaining your story. This nation is forever grateful to you as your account will help to save and protect many more lives.




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    #7535962 - 10/19/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Rodriguez also complains that his accounts of events have been ignored by official investigative bodies. Yet, when given the opportunity to put his observations on the public record with investigators from NIST - the very body investigating the cause of the collapse of the twin towers - he said not a word about explosives planted in the basement.




"Rodriguez also complains that his accounts of events have been ignored by official investigative bodies. Yet, when given the opportunity to put his observations on the public record with investigators from NIST - the very body investigating the cause of the collapse of the twin towers - he said not a word about explosives planted in the basement."

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    #7535974 - 10/19/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Fidel Castro says U.S. fooled world over 9/11

HAVANA (Reuters) - Ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro said the U.S. government misinformed Americans and the world about 9/11, echoing conspiracy theories about the terror attacks against the United States six years ago.

In an essay read by a Cuban television presenter on Tuesday night, Castro said the Pentagon was hit by a rocket, not a plane, because no traces were found of its passengers.

"Today one knows there was deliberate misinformation," wrote Castro, who has not appeared in public since July of 2006 when life-threatening surgery for a secret illness forced him to hand over power to his brother Raul Castro.

"Studying the impact of planes, similar to those that hit the Twin Towers, that had accidentally fallen on densely populated cities, one concludes that it was not a plane that crashed into the Pentagon," Castro said.

"Only a projectile could have caused the geometrically round hole that allegedly was made by the plane," he said.

"We were fooled like the rest of the planet's inhabitants," he wrote.

Castro said the truth behind the September 11 attacks with hijacked planes that killed nearly 3,000 people will probably never be known.

Castro's 4,256-word essay made no mention of Osama bin Laden and his militant Islamist al Qaeda network behind the attacks on New York's World Trade Center and Washington.

Castro, who was the target of CIA assassination plots after his 1959 revolution, said Cuba tipped off U.S. security services in 1984 about a plan to kill then President Ronald Reagan while he campaigned for re-election in North Carolina.

The information provided by Cuba led to the arrest of a group of would-be assassins and foiled the plot, he wrote.





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    #7535989 - 10/19/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

The fact that they haven't released all the security cameras' footage is bullshit, imo.  I can't imagine the national security risk to revealing what is already understood to be there. 

Just like w/ the JFK records which were sealed (which clinton partially unsealed), the witholding of evidence that couldn't possibly serve any legitimate purpose (to my knowledge) both fuels conspiracy theories and pisses of those, like me, who feel that the governent's information should belong to the people unless their is a clear national security risk.

Not enough to make me buy the conspiracy theories, but it is enough to continue to distrust the government:thumbdown:

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    #7535992 - 10/19/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Alzheimers is a terrible disease.


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    #7535993 - 10/19/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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9/11 - the big cover-up?
Even the chair of the 9/11 Commission now admits that the official evidence they were given was 'far from the truth'.
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Six years after 9/11, the American public have still not been provided with a full and truthful account of the single greatest terror attack in US history.

What they got was a turkey. The 9/11 Commission was hamstrung by official obstruction. It never managed to ascertain the whole truth of what happened on September 11 2001.

The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority;
and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.

From the outset, the commission seemed to be hobbled. It did not start work until over a year after the attacks. Even then, its terms of reference were suspiciously narrow, its powers of investigation curiously limited and its time-frame for producing a report unhelpfully short - barely a year to sift through millions of pages of evidence and to interview hundreds of key witnesses.

The final report did not examine key evidence, and neglected serious anomalies in the various accounts of what happened. The commissioners admit their report was incomplete and flawed, and that many questions about the terror attacks remain unanswered. Nevertheless, the 9/11 Commission was swiftly closed down on August 21 2004.

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    #7535997 - 10/19/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I can't post what I want to. It is way too close to the edge of me being gone forever. Let's just say it involves the words "prenatal" and "forced"


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    #7536020 - 10/19/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11

By Alan Miller
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AA Flight 77 – Pentagon...
“The pilot of the Boeing 757 [Hani Hanjour] did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757’s and 767’s and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described. I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven! Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident? Where is all the luggage? Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft? Where are the steel engine parts? Where is the steel landing gear? Where is the tail section that would have broken into large pieces?”

United Flight 93 - Shanksville, PA...
“Where is any of the wreckage? Of all the pictures I have seen, there is only a hole! Where is any piece of a crashed airplane? Why was the area cordoned off, and no inspection allowed by the normal accident personnel? Where is any evidence at all?”

WTC Twin Towers...
“How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just doesn’t add up... Why did the second building collapse before the first one, which had been burning for 20 minutes longer after a direct hit, especially when the second one hit was just a glancing blow? If the fire was so hot, then why were people looking out the windows and in the destroyed areas? Why have so many members of the New York Fire Department reported seeing or hearing many ‘explosions’ before the buildings collapsed?”


U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ pilot, Commander Ralph Kolstad, started questioning the official account of 9/11 within days of the event. “It just didn’t make any sense to me,” he said. And now 6 years after 9/11 he says, “When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story.”

Now retired, Commander Kolstad was a top-rated fighter pilot during his 20-year Navy career. Early in his career, he was accorded the honor of being selected to participate in the Navy’s ‘Top Gun’ air combat school, officially known as the U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School. The Tom Cruise movie, “Top Gun” reflects the experience of the young Navy pilots at the school. Eleven years later, Commander Kolstad was further honored by being selected to become a ‘Top Gun’ adversary instructor. While in the Navy, he flew F-4 Phantoms, A-4 Skyhawks, and F-14 Tomcats and completed 250 aircraft carrier landings.

Commander Kolstad had a second career after his 20 years of Navy active and reserve service and served as a commercial airline pilot for 27 years, flying for American Airlines and other domestic and international careers. He flew Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100 airliners. He has flown a total of over 23,000 hours in his career.

Commander Kolstad is especially critical of the account of American Airlines Flight 77 that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon. He says, “At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757’s and 767’s and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described.”

Commander Kolstad adds, “I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven!”

He points to the physical evidence at the Pentagon impact site and asks in exasperation, “Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident? Where is all the luggage? Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft? Where are the steel engine parts? Where is the steel landing gear? Where is the tail section that would have broken into large pieces?”

But no major element of the official account of 9/11 is spared from Commander Kolstad’s criticism. Regarding the alleged impact site of United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, PA, he asks, “Where is any of the wreckage? Of all the pictures I have seen, there is only a hole! Where is any piece of a crashed airplane? Why was the area cordoned off, and no inspection allowed by the normal accident personnel? Where is any evidence at all?”

Commander Kolstad also questions many aspects of the attack on the World Trade Center. “How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just doesn’t add up."

"Why did the second building collapse before the first one, which had been burning for 20 minutes longer after a direct hit, especially when the second one hit was just a glancing blow? If the fire was so hot, then why were people looking out the windows and in the destroyed areas? Why have so many members of the New York Fire Department reported seeing or hearing many ‘explosions’ before the buildings collapsed?”

Commander Kolstad summarized his frustration with the investigation and disbelief of the official account of 9/11, “If one were to act as an accident investigator, one would look at the evidence, and then construct a plausible scenario as to what led to the accident. In this case, we were told the story and then the evidence was built to support the story. What happened to any intelligent investigation? Every question leads to another question that has not been answered by anyone in authority. This is just the beginning as to why I don’t believe the official ‘story’ and why I want the truth to be told.”

Commander Kolstad is just one of the many military and commercial pilots who have publicly expressed serious concerns about the official account of 9/11. Statements from more than 30 other pilots are available at http://PatriotsQuestion911.com .

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    #7536029 - 10/19/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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..the witholding of evidence that couldn't possibly serve any legitimate purpose (to my knowledge) both fuels conspiracy theories




They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. For example, the Pentagon videos do not provide conclusive evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon- the video quality is too poor. ( Of course there is ample evidence elsewhere as I have shown. ) So if they don't release the video they are accused of covering up. When they do release it the video doesn't provide conclusive evidence.  :shrug:


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    #7536057 - 10/19/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Norman Mineta Confirms That Dick Cheney Ordered Stand Down on 9/11
Former Transportation Secretary Disputes 9/11 Commission Report Timetable for Dick Cheney and Reveals Lynn Cheney Was Also in PEOC Bunker Before Attack

Former Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta answered questions from members of 9/11 Truth Seattle.org about his testimony before the 9/11 Commission report.

Mineta says Vice President Cheney was "absolutely" already there when he arrived at approximately 9:25 a.m. in the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center) bunker on the morning of 9/11. Mineta seemed shocked to learn that the 9/11 Commission Report claimed Cheney had not arrived there until 9:58-- after the Pentagon had been hit, a report that Mineta definitively contradicted.

Norman Mineta revealed that Lynn Cheney was also in the PEOC bunker already at the time of his arrival, along with a number of other staff.





Mineta is on video testifying before the 9/11 Commission, though it was omitted in their final report. He told Lee Hamilton:

“During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?

Mineta confirmed his statements with reporters, saying "When I overheard something about 'the orders still stand' and so, what I thought of was that they had already made the decision to shoot something down."

Norman Mineta made it clear to reporters-- who verified his quotes in written text alongside him-- that Mineta was indeed talking about a stand down order not to shoot down hijacked aircraft headed for the Pentagon.

After no shoot down took place, it became clear that Cheney intended to keep NORAD fighter jets from responding-- evidence that Cheney is guilty of treason, not negligence for allowing the Pentagon to be hit.






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    #7536061 - 10/19/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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    #7536078 - 10/19/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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..the witholding of evidence that couldn't possibly serve any legitimate purpose (to my knowledge) both fuels conspiracy theories




They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. For example, the Pentagon videos do not provide conclusive evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon- the video quality is too poor. ( Of course there is ample evidence elsewhere as I have shown. ) So if they don't release the video they are accused of covering up. When they do release it the video doesn't provide conclusive evidence.  :shrug:




you think the video is conclusive?, you cant really see a plane. what they show anyways looks abit like a small plane, not what was meant to hit the pentagon.

what about the lamposts what got knocked out too?. the debris from the crash should have been much more than was shown.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: zorbman]
    #7536088 - 10/19/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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..the witholding of evidence that couldn't possibly serve any legitimate purpose (to my knowledge) both fuels conspiracy theories




They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. For example, the Pentagon videos do not provide conclusive evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon- the video quality is too poor. ( Of course there is ample evidence elsewhere as I have shown. ) So if they don't release the video they are accused of covering up. When they do release it the video doesn't provide conclusive evidence.  :shrug:




I agree, and I presume the reason they have not released the video is because it would seem to add no evidence supporting the official story.  I don't think this is a legitimate reason.  This is the main problem I have w/ the governments handling of the incident.  On a matter of signifigant public interest, where the facts seem to be allready before the public, I think there's no excuse to withold the tapes regardless of their contents.

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    #7536098 - 10/19/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

right lets assume that you are right and it was all done by terrorists, (i would like you to be right btw too)because the world would be much better if our goverment were not corrupt. but assumeing your right dont you think there is some fatel "mistakes" made on 9-11?, what i mean is the u.s is meant to be a super power and have very high technology and radars ect and three 757s some how managed to breach there defences, its just semi unbelieveable, i think if that were true the people atleast are highly incompetent or were litrally asleep. good people to have in charge? lol. i dont think your right though btw.


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    #7536102 - 10/19/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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you think the video is conclusive?, you cant really see a plane. what they show anyways looks abit like a small plane, not what was meant to hit the pentagon.




Read more carefully. I said the video was inconclusive. However there is a mountain of evidence elsewhere including tons of debris, phone calls from the hijacked passengers, and dozens of witnesses who saw the plane flying and hitting the building.

As far as there not being more debris why should there be? I have already shown you plenty and much of it was carried inside the building.

No reasonable person can conclude anything other than a plane hit the Pentagon. Come on.


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    #7536117 - 10/19/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. For example, the Pentagon videos do not provide conclusive evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon- the video quality is too poor. ( Of course there is ample evidence elsewhere as I have shown. ) So if they don't release the video they are accused of covering up. When they do release it the video doesn't provide conclusive evidence.  :shrug:




I agree, and I presume the reason they have not released the video is because it would seem to add no evidence supporting the official story.  I don't think this is a legitimate reason.  This is the main problem I have w/ the governments handling of the incident.  On a matter of signifigant public interest, where the facts seem to be allready before the public, I think there's no excuse to withold the tapes regardless of their contents.




all they should show is clearly a 757 approaching/hitting the pentagon. they take 5 years to release one of the poorest quality tapes.


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    #7536134 - 10/19/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Read more carefully. I said the video was inconclusive. However there is a mountain of evidence elsewhere including tons of debris, phone calls from the hijacked passengers, and dozens of witnesses who saw the plane flying and hitting the building.





ill go abit "conspiracy" on you here man. you think phone calls, eye witness accounts cant be set up?. of course they can.


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    #7536159 - 10/19/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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you think phone calls, eye witness accounts cant be set up?. of course they can.




Yep. But don't stop there. Follow through on your thinking > Think about how many hundreds of people would have to be involved! The real story would start to emerge within days if not hours.

The length of time a conspiracy can be kept secret is inversely proportional to the amount of people knowing that secret.

Think.

Believing these 9/11 conspiracy theories is possible only when one throws out everything we know about human nature as well as common sense and facts supported by experts rather than rumors spread on the internet.


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    #7536183 - 10/19/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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you think phone calls, eye witness accounts cant be set up?. of course they can.




Yep. Follow through on your thinking. Think about how many hundreds of people would have to be involved! The real story would start to emerge within days if not hours.

The length of time a conspiracy can be kept secret is inversely proportional to the amount of people knowing that secret.

Think.

Believing these 9/11 conspiracy theories is possible only when one throws out everything we know about human nature as well as common sense and facts supported by experts rather than rumors spread on the internet.




your wrong, if people come out and said "i got told to say this and that at the pentagon, what would happen is they would get no air time and not only that people like you would say all they are is conspiracy theorists, dont take them seriously, there only selling books.

see how it works?.

not only that but threats could also be involved and bribes, you get offered some money told to be quite or your family will be dead, what would you do?.

what im saying is it would be rather easy to get eye witness, phone calls ect.


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    #7536220 - 10/19/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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NIST Admits Total Collapse Of Twin Towers Unexplainable
Implicitly acknowledges controlled demolition only means by which towers could have fallen at free fall speed
Paul Joseph Watson
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Tuesday, October 16, 2007



The National Institute for Standards and Technology has been forced to admit that the total free-fall collapse of the twin towers cannot be explained after an exhaustive scientific study, implicitly acknowledging that controlled demolition is the only means by which the buildings could have come down.

In a recent letter (PDF link) to 9/11 victim's family representatives Bill Doyle and Bob McIlvaine, NIST states, "We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse."

A 10,000 page scientific study only offers theories as to how the "collapse initiation" proceeded and fails to address how it was possible for part of a WTC structure to fall through the path of most resistance at freefall speed, completely violating the accepted laws of physics.

(Article continues below)




http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/161007_nist_admits.htm


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    #7536274 - 10/19/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)



Eight months before 9/11 Bush said 'go find me a way' to invade Iraq


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    #7536294 - 10/19/07 04:45 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Shocking New Revelations On 9/11 Ground Zero Cover-Up
First responder heard WTC 7 demolition countdown, was warned to "shut up" when he reported secondary explosions
Paul Joseph Watson
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Friday, September 28, 2007


A 9/11 first responder has shed new light on how he heard a countdown before the demolition of Building 7, how he was told to "shut up" by superiors when he tried to report secondary explosions and why "vicious security" measures were enacted to prevent people from accessing certain areas of ground zero.

Former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue expert, Kevin McPadden traveled to ground zero completely of his own accord and spent the next four days searching through the rubble and nearby buildings for survivors.

In a video interview with Alex Jones, McPadden describes the moments before the collapse of WTC 7.

"When we saw the firemen pick up their equipment and start bustling back and forth they were getting ready to do something, we started asking questions," said McPadden.

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    #7536304 - 10/19/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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September 23, 2007 at 08:53:46

Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report

by Alan Miller

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Official Account of 9/11 a “Joke” and a “Cover-up”

September 23, 2007 – Seven CIA veterans have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and have called for a new investigation. “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke,” said Raymond McGovern, 27-year veteran of the CIA, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates during the seventies. “There are a whole bunch of unanswered questions. And the reason they’re unanswered is because this administration will not answer the questions,” he said. McGovern, who is also the founder of VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity), is one of many signers of a petition to reinvestigate 9/11.[1]

During his 27-year CIA career, McGovern personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials. Upon retirement in 1990, McGovern was awarded the CIA’s Intelligence Commendation Medallion and received a letter of appreciation from then President George H. W. Bush. However, McGovern returned the award[2] in 2006 in protest of the current George W. Bush Administration’s advocacy and use of torture.



In his blurb for 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out,” edited by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, McGovern wrote[3]: “It has long been clear that the Bush-Cheney administration cynically exploited the attacks of 9/11 to promote its imperial designs. But the present volume confronts us with evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited. If this is true, it is not merely the case, as the Downing Street memos show, that the stated reason for attacking Iraq was a lie. It is also the case that the whole “war on terror” was based on a prior deception. This book hence confronts the American people---indeed the people of the world as a whole---with an issue second to none in importance and urgency. I give this book, which in no way can be dismissed as the ravings of ‘paranoid conspiracy theorists,’ my highest possible recommendation.”


William Christison, a 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis also describes the 9/11 Commission Report as a “joke” and offers even more outspoken criticism. In a 2006 audio interview[4] he said, "We very seriously need an entirely new very high level and truly independent investigation of the events of 9/11. I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all.”




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    #7536305 - 10/19/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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see how it works?.




:yesnod:

Ignore the mountain of evidence contrary to your position to support what you want to be true rather than what the facts show. Critical thinking skills are so lacking these days.


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    #7536315 - 10/19/07 04:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Background to the man who controlled the 9/11 Commission

No prizes for guessing, therefore, why the 'Commission ignored virtually all the crucial evidence.


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    #7536358 - 10/19/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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see how it works?.




:yesnod:

Ignore the mountain of evidence contrary to your position to support what you want to be true rather than what the facts show. Critical thinking skills are so lacking these days. 




you could quite easilly apply that to yourself my freind. as i said previously i would love to live in a rosey world were we do not have to worry about anything because our goverment are lovely (i want you to be true). but is it reality?, i dont think so. yes your right people will believe what they want to believe but most people i reckon want to believe the truth, one thing what stops people from believeing the truth sometimes though is it can be abit scarey at first to look at and thuss you dont want it too be true, and would rather make up things to comfort yourself. ill give yeah an example if your girl freind was cheating on you and you knew something was up some people might kid themselves and say to themselves that its not really reality or not really happening. because they cant face the truth of the situation. which is allright though. im not aiming that at you too just offering a point.


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    #7536401 - 10/19/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for posting that video about bush lying to those people at the conference. I was going to post it too but you beat me to it!!!


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    #7536420 - 10/19/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

no problem my freind. its good theres others to back me up. people on the ball.

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The 40 story Deutsche Bank building next to the ground zero site in New York, where the world trade center once stood, caught fire yesterday and burned intensely for seven hours without collapsing

This represents another modern day miracle in light of the commonly accepted premise that since 9/11, all steel buildings that suffer limited fire damage implode within two hours. This building had even suffered structural damage on 9/11 and had been partially dismantled.

The raging fire, which killed two firefighters, was finally declared under control late saturday afternoon, a full seven hours after it had begun to burn.

On 9/11 the south tower of the WTC burned for just 56 minutes before collapsing, while the north tower lasted around an hour and 45 minutes. According to the official transcripts of the firefighter tapes, fires in both towers were almost out immediately before the collapses.

The saving grace that could have prevented Deutsche Bank from imploding may have been the fact that it was not hit by a plane, as the twin towers were on 9/11.

However, the absence of a jet strike wasn't enough to prevent WTC 7 from crumbling into its own footprint within 7 seconds later that fateful afternoon.




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    #7536430 - 10/19/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)



World Trade Center Building 5 - Why No Collapse?


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7536444 - 10/19/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

No amount of evidence will satisfy you it seems. You ignore the debris, the eye witnesses, the experts, the missing passengers, etc. You have your blinders firmly in place.

You should familiarize yourself with Occam's Razor. It tells us the simple explanation is to be preferred over wild speculation. And in the end that is all you have.

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7536461 - 10/19/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)



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    #7536485 - 10/19/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7536510 - 10/19/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS:angrydog:


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7536518 - 10/19/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS




I prefer to fatten them up a bit first before I kill and eat them. :wink:


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: zorbman]
    #7536533 - 10/19/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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zorbman said:
No amount of evidence will satisfy you it seems. You ignore the debris, the eye witnesses, the experts, the missing passengers, etc. You have your blinders firmly in place.

You should familiarize yourself with Occam's Razor. It tells us the simple explanation is to be preferred over wild speculation. And in the end that is all you have.

Enjoy your delusions.




i think there is amazeing evidence. have you watched the videos i have just posted?. listen at first i believed it was terrorists then realized theres massive flaws and unanswered questions with 9-11. you think theres not?, and no-one lies in the white house?, everything is legitmate?.

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7536610 - 10/19/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

You can debunk all you want, but until you show me some proof (not guesses, but proof) that a missile hit the Pentagon, you're full of shit.

The problem with delusional Troofers is that they spend all their effort failing to retort against the original story that they have no evidence to back their own theories up.

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7536633 - 10/19/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: zorbman]
    #7537664 - 10/19/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Zorbman I think you need to look at that conference video a couple more times. And are you really satisfied with 5 frames at the Pentagon? Whatever is in that video is not a plane it could be a missile though. Not to mention all the other crap that went down that day like WTC#7 and flight 93. Is there any way we could get a network like NBC to run that video I know it ran in Canada on a major network so why not here?


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7537902 - 10/20/07 12:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Let me get this straight. According to your proposition: the goverment flew planes into civilian/military buildings, paid/threatened people to make up false testimony, blew up buildings with dynamite and rockets, controlled all the major media networks into hyping their story, fabricated peoples' deaths, framed middle-easterners, fight wars in Afghanistan and Iraq BUT they allow people to post about their entire scheme on the internet without repurcussions. Why wouldn't they kill/bribe the enlightened folk? It's obvious they'll do anything to secure their plot.

Normally I don't like to argue like this; I like to stick to the facts and not create heresay based on speculation. But according to your logic, you should be dead or a millionaire because of the goverment. Come on....

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7538002 - 10/20/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Zorbman I think you need to look at that conference video a couple more times. And are you really satisfied with 5 frames at the Pentagon?




Sigh.

Anyone even remotely paying attention to this thread knows that I have already stated TWICE up front that the evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon is NOT in the bloody video.. the evidence is in the debris scattered all over the grounds and embedded inside the building itself.

I don't need no stinkin' video when I have a debris field, recordings of cell phone calls from passengers to family members, eye witnesses of the plane flying over and striking the Pentagon, etc..etc..


Just as an aside, dear reader, everytime I humor these people and have this type of "debate" with so-called 9/11 truthers I get this spooky feeling..a feeling like I'm not talking with someone who is listening to me at all but rather someone who is inside an echo chamber where only their own voice rebounds forever... This is evidenced by your own inability to read and comprehend the simple content of my posts, buddhahoodlum.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7538066 - 10/20/07 01:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

negative evidence is not evidence.

I can't prove that schroedinger's cat is not in a closed box... the lack of proof that the cat isn't in the box does not prove, nor even suggest, that the cat IS in the box. Claiming the contrary, however, does give definitive proof that a person's opinions are of no use to anyone and should be stuffed into a hole somewhere with all the other shit-filled diapers and other absolutely unsalvageable garbage.

Shit-brained conspiracy addicts who crave to explain everything in the most unlikely ways possible because reality bores them are doing no good whatsoever for the cause of people who oppose the "war on terrorism" or question the way the government handled the attacks. If you wanted to further the administration's cause, one of the best things you can do is be associated with those potentially useful people in the public's eye, and proceed to ramble on like a half-retarded drunken poet about theories that are nothing short of a logical abortion, with the summary effect of discrediting yourself and everyone within a 3 mile radius of you.

"d00d leik, u can't prove that plaens hit teh pantagon... so it HAD to be mizzilez." Yeah, and God absolutely must exist because nobody proved he doesn't. It's the same goddamned argument, it's merely rephrased to be used by a different mentally invalid stereotype.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: FocusHawaii]
    #7538162 - 10/20/07 02:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Let me get this straight. According to your proposition: the goverment flew planes into civilian/military buildings, paid/threatened people to make up false testimony, blew up buildings with dynamite and rockets, controlled all the major media networks into hyping their story, fabricated peoples' deaths, framed middle-easterners, fight wars in Afghanistan and Iraq BUT they allow people to post about their entire scheme on the internet without repurcussions. Why wouldn't they kill/bribe the enlightened folk? It's obvious they'll do anything to secure their plot.

Normally I don't like to argue like this; I like to stick to the facts and not create heresay based on speculation. But according to your logic, you should be dead or a millionaire because of the goverment. Come on....




thats not my logic at all, what i said is it would be relatively easy to stage eye witnesses and phone calls would it not?. im not saying they were staged because i dont know, i just think its possible. same with the pentagon, im not here to argue it was a missle what hit because i dont know, all im pritty sure of is if you get a 757 crashing on a field your going to get much more debris.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Konnrade]
    #7538190 - 10/20/07 03:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Holy shit! This is the best evidence yet proving Bush and co did 9/11.

Behold!

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Konnrade]
    #7538199 - 10/20/07 03:10 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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negative evidence is not evidence.

I can't prove that schroedinger's cat is not in a closed box... the lack of proof that the cat isn't in the box does not prove, nor even suggest, that the cat IS in the box.




im not familiar with schroedingers cat but yes you cant really prove something with negative evidence, or you cant prove exackly how it was done with negative evidence but you can prove that it was not done how people said it was done.

fires dont melt steel and if they weakened them, only parts of the buildings would be weakened and face the lowers floors resistance. the buildings would fall no-where near free fall speed if it pancaked, and they wouldnt collaspe as they did. see, things like that you see with your own eyes. look at building 5, why didnt that collapse like wtc7?. what were those explosions when the man was on the phone?. why did bush say he seen the first plane crash?. why wasnt there much debris at the pentagon and images released of the plane till 5 years later?. and about another 50 un-qnswered questions that day. and you dont think theres something odd about it????. you must know it all.

what evidence do you want?, goerge bush to say he did it?.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7538206 - 10/20/07 03:13 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Can you post your questions in english please?


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    #7538211 - 10/20/07 03:16 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Holy shit! This is the best evidence yet proving Bush and co did 9/11.

Behold!




in the end we will se whos right mate, i hope you are, but if your not then what we will probbly see is another fake terrorist attack, blame it on iran and then create ww3.

just another question, did bush and company bennifit from 9-11?. massively. these people go to wars left right and centre so killing there "own" people to get what they want out of it, i cant see it behing to much of a problem for them.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7538219 - 10/20/07 03:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

“All Truth Goes Through Three Stages. First, it is ridiculed. Then, it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident.”
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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: zorbman]
    #7538221 - 10/20/07 03:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Can you post your questions in english please?




iv tryed posting a lot of things in english but im not sure you grasp the language.:)


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7538230 - 10/20/07 03:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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When we look back on September 11, 2001, we think mainly of people. We mourn for the victims of the attacks, we empathize with their families, we honor the rescue workers, and we reflect on our own experience. At the same time, we remember all of the technology of that day -- the airplanes that the hijackers used as flying bombs, the buildings they damaged and destroyed, and the heavy equipment used in the massive rescue and then clean-up effort. Like countless events throughout history, the attacks of September 11 were a crushing mesh of man and machine.

The most prominent technology on that day, of course, was the World Trade Center complex. After the attack, the WTC's Twin Towers came to symbolize not only the day itself, but also a collective emotion of people all over the world.


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In this article, we remember the Twin Towers for everything they were: a remarkable technological achievement, a representation of an ideal, and, ultimately, a staggering reminder of our own vulnerability. In remembering this proud structure, we honor the spirit in which it was built, and we memorialize the victims of the attacks.

Origins
The original idea for a world trade center in New York is generally credited to David Rockefeller, one of industrialist John D. Rockefeller's many grandsons. In fact, the idea was proposed soon after World War II, a decade before Rockefeller ever got involved, but he was the one who actually got the ball rolling.

In the 1950s and '60s, while serving as chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank, Rockefeller was dedicated to revitalizing lower Manhattan. He hoped to energize the area with new construction, in much the same way his father revitalized midtown Manhattan in the 1930s with Rockefeller Center. As part of his plan, David Rockefeller proposed a complex dedicated to international trade, to be constructed at the east end of Wall Street. Rockefeller believed that the trade center, which would include office and hotel space, an exhibit hall, a securities and exchange center and numerous shops, would be just the thing to spur economic growth in the area.


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The looming Twin Towers went far beyond the original concepts for the WTC.



By the 1960s, he certainly had something to gain from the WTC project. He had just put up the expensive 60-story Chase Manhattan Bank tower in the financial district, and wanted to increase the value of the bank's investment. But he was also driven by the spirit of international unity. A world trade center would bring together people from all over the globe, a noble ideal in the decades following World War II.

With the help of his brother, Nelson Rockefeller, the governor of New York state at the time, David Rockefeller got The Port of New York Authority involved. The Port of New York Authority, now known as the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, is a government institution that heads up public projects in the New York and New Jersey port area. While the Port Authority is a public organization, it functions like a private corporation -- it charges its "customers" directly and profits from investments, rather than taking tax money.

Since its creation in 1921, the Port Authority had been concerned mainly with bridges, tunnels, airports and bus transportation. It had never undertaken anything near the scale of the World Trade Center before, but nonetheless, the organization was the most logical choice to head up the project. It had the rare combination of government connections, diverse resources and the power of eminent domain.

Rockefeller commissioned early designs for the WTC in 1958, the Port Authority got involved in 1960, and the initial plans were made public in 1961. Then things slowed down considerably. For years, the Port Authority slogged through fiscal problems, public relations debacles and legal wrangling, not to mention the unpopular task of evicting the hundreds of businesses and homes occupying the building site.

With all the negotiations and logistical conflicts, excavation didn't actually start until 1966. By that time, the design and scope of the project had changed completely, as we'll see in the next section



more at- http://people.howstuffworks.com/wtc.htm


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7538233 - 10/20/07 03:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Comments from the Manager, WTC construction and project manager


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    #7538236 - 10/20/07 03:48 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

wtc7 collapse-



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    #7538254 - 10/20/07 04:08 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

donna marsh o conner - mother of wtc victim - 911 Truth Movement Press Conf


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7538257 - 10/20/07 04:10 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The reason I pointed out your language errors was not to make fun but to point out that I have noticed many so-called 9/11 Truthers cannot use their native tongue to make their case. Little things like language seem unimportant to them.

This lack of concern is reflected in their approach towards 9/11 fact-finding. They just don't care to be careful. You have to watch yourself so you don't fool yourself.

Remember the 11th commandment: Thou shalt not kid thyself.


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    #7538258 - 10/20/07 04:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

wtc7


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7538265 - 10/20/07 04:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That is twice you have posted that and I would rather you make your case in your own words if that is possible. If you have to type what you say you have to at least think about it first.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7538266 - 10/20/07 04:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i think iv said all i can now so im going to leave this thread. im amazed people dont look at the above clips, espessially the world trade centre 7 one, and think to themselves this building hasnt collapsed right. oh well.

the evidence is there, if you read what i wrote and watch the videos you will atleast clearly see there is still many unanswered questions. if you dont see that i think you are seeing what you want too see or maybe have some political agendas. well anyways asking questions and behing critical is good, because if people dont do that it will end up like nazi germany, when hitler burned down the reichtarg(sp). if people said hitler would of burned the jews they would have said something along the lines of- " he wouldnt do that, thats just conspiracy talk, it wont happen". when it did, and if we dont learn from our history as the saying goes we will repeat it.

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7538268 - 10/20/07 04:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Next time learn to use the english language properly if you want to be taken seriously. Also, bring some actual evidence to the table rather than videos and statements from crackpots.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: zorbman]
    #7538540 - 10/20/07 08:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, debating with peter is like trying to torture a cadaver.


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    #7538954 - 10/20/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This video says it all.

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7539729 - 10/20/07 03:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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negative evidence is not evidence.

I can't prove that schroedinger's cat is not in a closed box... the lack of proof that the cat isn't in the box does not prove, nor even suggest, that the cat IS in the box.




im not familiar with schroedingers cat but yes you cant really prove something with negative evidence, or you cant prove exackly how it was done with negative evidence but you can prove that it was not done how people said it was done.

fires dont melt steel and if they weakened them, only parts of the buildings would be weakened and face the lowers floors resistance. the buildings would fall no-where near free fall speed if it pancaked, and they wouldnt collaspe as they did. see, things like that you see with your own eyes. look at building 5, why didnt that collapse like wtc7?. what were those explosions when the man was on the phone?. why did bush say he seen the first plane crash?. why wasnt there much debris at the pentagon and images released of the plane till 5 years later?. and about another 50 un-qnswered questions that day. and you dont think theres something odd about it????. you must know it all.




Funny that you would agree that negative evidence is not evidence... and then go on to try and prove your point by spouting off questions. Questions are not answers.

The scientific method is question/observation, hypothesis, study, and conclusion. Conspiracy theorists lack the facts, resources, and/or the mental competence to conduct a study... so they delude themselves into thinking that if they shunt in enough related questions they will somehow prove their hypothesis about the original question. In fact, a rational mind knows that adding more questions into the mix only makes hypothesis even more difficult and decreases the chances of accurate prediction of the conclusion.

Then again, I'm giving them too much credit. They far prefer to work backwards... they come up with a conclusion that they happen to like, and then distort, ignore, melt, twist, and otherwise abuse the entire fabric of reality in an attempt to make the facts fit the explanation... because reality was boring anyways... and frankly it never made much sense to them. So one might as well go apeshit on it and use it as fuel for a delusion that they find more comfortable and amusing.

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peter19 said:what evidence do you want?, goerge bush to say he did it?.




What more evidence do I need? Well, some evidence at all would be nice. I do generally avoid subscribing to a hypothesis when the author somehow thinks zero is a sufficient amount of evidence, as long as they go out of their way to stir up doubt and confuse people into believing them by saying that nitpicking at little details of the logical explanation somehow brings it crashing down in such a way as to magically summon up the missing evidence that says they're not just an ignorant fuckwit.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Konnrade]
    #7539787 - 10/20/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Its amusing listening to the ebb & flow of these 9-11 arguments and getting an idea of the comparative intelligence of both sides...

The conspiracy theorists can't spell, can't form a complete sentence, can't use punctuation in any kind of logical manner, and just keep throwing out the same shitty videos and saying "D0nt you cee th3 m1ss11ez?/?"

Then you have an intelligent well-thought out post like the one above.

I think it speaks volumes...


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7539816 - 10/20/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Its amusing listening to the ebb & flow of these 9-11 arguments and getting an idea of the comparative intelligence of both sides...

The conspiracy theorists can't spell, can't form a complete sentence, can't use punctuation in any kind of logical manner, and just keep throwing out the same shitty videos and saying "D0nt you cee th3 m1ss11ez?/?"

Then you have an intelligent well-thought out post like the one above.

I think it speaks volumes...




And to think, years ago I was afraid of these conspiracy people joining Al Qaeda. Now it seems that if they did join Al Qaeda, their incompetance would help bring down the evil terrorists.

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7540099 - 10/20/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Its amusing listening to the ebb & flow of these 9-11 arguments and getting an idea of the comparative intelligence of both sides...

The conspiracy theorists can't spell, can't form a complete sentence, can't use punctuation in any kind of logical manner, and just keep throwing out the same shitty videos and saying "D0nt you cee th3 m1ss11ez?/?"

Then you have an intelligent well-thought out post like the one above.

I think it speaks volumes...




Ya know, I kinda noticed that too but I was afraid of being labeled an intelligentististist. Or something. But now I can come out. Do you think we can have our own hate symbol, like maybe a rolled up sheepskin that we can smack the morons on the nose with? I just got back from a party at the Yale Club and I bet I can recruit a bunch of moron haters there.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7541221 - 10/21/07 12:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Its amusing listening to the ebb & flow of these 9-11 arguments and getting an idea of the comparative intelligence of both sides...

The conspiracy theorists can't spell, can't form a complete sentence, can't use punctuation in any kind of logical manner, and just keep throwing out the same shitty videos and saying "D0nt you cee th3 m1ss11ez?/?"

Then you have an intelligent well-thought out post like the one above.

I think it speaks volumes...





If you believe everything you just stated then please remove your Hunter S. Thompson sig because he wouldn't agree with anything you just said. Also can someone please try to refute that bush video where he freaken lies about seeing the plane hit the first tower? Is this just another conspiracy I would def think not. That was a lie perpetrated by an evil man plain and simple you can't really examine it any other way. Bush doesn't even know what the original story was 3 month's after the attack. And why do you think would be? It's because people that lie as much as him can't keep their lies separated from the actual truth so instead they end up stating their lie's as the truth and it gets them into shit tons of trouble. Expect a major response to this video soon. I'll be damned if I don't get this video played on NBC soon. Here's another version of it with a different reporter I suggest you all listen carefully to what he has to say on it . It goes into quite some detail on the legal matters of this case.

And remember to keep in mind the reason why bush couldn't of seen the first plane hit because no one did it wasn't released till the next day!!!!!!

Best video's out there right now to help the 9/11 truth movement.

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALtNYBX7OmM

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZOuNEoAWeY.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7541307 - 10/21/07 12:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Oh, gee... god forbid a president who is world famous for being slow witted and poorly prepared for public speeches get his facts wrong during a speech :lol:

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7541564 - 10/21/07 03:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I like Cartman's version better.


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    #7542136 - 10/21/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread309104/pg1

I've seen this sort of argument too many times to care now. But I like this guy's approach.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Konnrade]
    #7542496 - 10/21/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Funny that you would agree that negative evidence is not evidence... and then go on to try and prove your point by spouting off questions. Questions are not answers.




yes negative evidence is not truely evidence if you have a stance, but if you dont have a particular stance negative evidence can be used because you are not claiming something, you are showing that the other claiming point of view is wrong and doesnt add up. ill give you an example, useing the cat in the box. lets say the cat is a purple cat and you can clearly see that its out of the box, someone then says to you - "the purple cat is in the box" you can then use "negative" evidence to show that the purple cat is not in the box. you dont know whats in the box, but you know a purple cat is atleast out of the box. (theres only one purple cat btw lol)


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The scientific method is question/observation, hypothesis, study, and conclusion. Conspiracy theorists lack the facts, resources, and/or the mental competence to conduct a study...




its goint to be unlikely though isnt it, that a "conspiracy theorist" will be able, or want, to do a conclusion. the whole, and generally accepted turm assosiated with a person who is described as a "conspiracy theorist" is somebody who is questioning the official story and pointing out holes in it. so what im saying is im not here to say a rocket hit the pentagon or the jews were behind 9-11 ect. what im pointing out is that the official "conspiracy theory" doesnt add up. so in that sense you can use negative evidense.

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so they delude themselves into thinking that if they shunt in enough related questions they will somehow prove their hypothesis about the original question. In fact, a rational mind knows that adding more questions into the mix only makes hypothesis even more difficult and decreases the chances of accurate prediction of the conclusion.




not if you are pointing holes at anothers stance or "conspiracy theory". if you are doing that, then asking questions is showing that the things they are saying dont add up. you are right though, but only in the sense of someone trying to prove that what they say is the way it is, or diffrent from the official view.

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Then again, I'm giving them too much credit. They far prefer to work backwards...




ill just pick you up on your word "them". people have diffrent beliefs and diffrent views, generalizeing them is abit like generalizeing black people for instance. how do you know every "conspiracy theorist" believs the same thing?. its like all walks of life, you will have less intelligent people in and some very intelligent people in, so "they" are not all the same.


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they come up with a conclusion that they happen to like, and then distort, ignore, melt, twist, and otherwise abuse the entire fabric of reality in an attempt to make the facts fit the explanation... because reality was boring anyways... and frankly it never made much sense to them. So one might as well go apeshit on it and use it as fuel for a delusion that they find more comfortable and amusing.




some people will, some people wont.

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peter19 said:what evidence do you want?, goerge bush to say he did it?.





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What more evidence do I need? Well, some evidence at all would be nice. I do generally avoid subscribing to a hypothesis when the author somehow thinks zero is a sufficient amount of evidence, as long as they go out of their way to stir up doubt and confuse people into believing them by saying that nitpicking at little details of the logical explanation somehow brings it crashing down in such a way as to magically summon up the missing evidence that says they're not just an ignorant fuckwit.




the evidence what im offering is what iv posted and things. the vids ectera. with what iv just posted im not here to say how it was done and to name 19 hijackers for you, my whole point it to show that whats been said in the official "conspiracy theory", half of it is BS. proveing that its BS you can use negative evidence.

i was gonna leave this thread and just let it be but you were debateing my other points so ill expand on them abit.

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    #7542498 - 10/21/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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If you believe everything you just stated then please remove your Hunter S. Thompson sig because he wouldn't agree with anything you just said.





The sig doesn't say anything about 9/11. Show me one HST quote where he says anything about 9-11 conspiracies? Because I have all of his books, and unlike you, I've read them.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7542527 - 10/21/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Negative evidence can only be used when the outcomes are a dichotomous eiter/or type (your cat example, for instance). It doesn't work in the conspiracy business because pointing out a hole in the widely accepted evidence doesn't mean that the opposite is true because there are many explanations, not just two.

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7542549 - 10/21/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)



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    #7542576 - 10/21/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I hope theres more of that article somewhere, because the part you linked to doesn't say what you want it to say...


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7542590 - 10/21/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

he doesnt directly say it was an inside job but you have to say he leans toward it as highly possible.
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Hunter S. Thompson thought 9/11 an inside job

Indybay | September 3, 2004

Check out this clip of an August 2002 interview with the late Hunter S. Thompson, wherein he expounds on the likelihood 9/11 was an inside job.

Here's a partial transcript courtesy of Indybay.org :

Mick O'Regan: Could I take you back to September 11th. What I'd really like to know is your reactions. And I know you said you were writing a sports column for ESPN when the planes hit the towers, but could I get you to tell that story of when you found out about it and what you were doing and what your reaction was?

Hunter S. Thompson: I had in fact just finished a sports column for ESPN. Here it is: "It was just after dawn in Woody Creek, Colorado when the first plane hit the World Trade Center in New York City on Tuesday morning. And as usual I was writing about sports. But not for long. Football suddenly seemed irrelevant compared to the scenes of destruction and other devastation coming out of New York on TV."

Mick O'Regan: You went on to say in that article, which I have in front of me, that "even ESPN was broadcasting war news. It was the worst disaster in the history of the United States." Do you think that the event completely transformed the way in which Americans see themselves and their own vulnerability?

Hunter S. Thompson: No, the event by itself wouldn't have done that. But it was the way the Administration was able to use that event. Even use it as a springboard for everything they wanted to do. And that might tell you something. I remember when I was writing that column you sort of wonder when something like that happens, Well who stands to benefit? Who had the opportunity and the motive? You just kind of look at these basic things, and I don?t know if I want to go into this on worldwide radio here, but ...

Mick O'Regan: You may as well.

Hunter S. Thompson: All right. Well I saw that the US government was going to benefit, and the White House people, the republican administration to take the mind of the public off of the crashing economy. Now you want to keep in mind that every time a person named Bush gets into office, the nation goes into a drastic recession they call it.

Mick O'Regan: It seems a very long bow to me, but are you sort of suggesting that this worked in the favour of the Bush Administration?

Hunter S. Thompson: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And I have spent enough time on the inside of, well in the White House and you know, campaigns and I've known enough people who do these things, think this way, to know that the public version of the news or whatever event, is never really what happened.





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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7542816 - 10/21/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Hunter Thompson was a drunken attention whore who disgraced himself by commiting suicide.

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    #7542837 - 10/21/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm on the same side as you in this 9/11 thing, but dont knock HST.

The guy was sick as fuck, had just had a bunch of surgeries, and thought his quality of life was poor and getting worse. How does suicide make him a disgrace?

I'd probably do myself in the same situation.

Dont knock someone you probably dont know much about because you dont like his political views.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7542955 - 10/21/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

He was an attention whore. A damned amusing one, too, for a while anyway. He kind of lost it in the last decade or so. Better Than Sex was pretty good but that was about it for the last two decades. And he didn't say that he thought 9/11 was an inside. He had ample opportunity to do so but since he didn't I would have to conclude that he, in fact, believed otherwise. He was crazy. He just wasn't that crazy, apparently. Nor do the pronouncements of the departed Mr. Thompson amount to any kind of sermon on the mount. He was an amusing fabulist. That's it.


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    #7542978 - 10/21/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I enjoyed his later works too, but on the whole I won't argue with any of that.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7542990 - 10/21/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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If you believe everything you just stated then please remove your Hunter S. Thompson sig because he wouldn't agree with anything you just said.





The sig doesn't say anything about 9/11. Show me one HST quote where he says anything about 9-11 conspiracies? Because I have all of his books, and unlike you, I've read them.




Read it and weep. http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/hunter_s_thompson/index.html

Obviously unlike you I have read them. By the way I'm gonna be lmao at this for the rest of the day thanks.


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    #7542995 - 10/21/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Whu?


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7542999 - 10/21/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

ohh crap is what you should say now. Do you really not get what I just posted above?


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7543007 - 10/21/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I had in fact just finished a sports column for ESPN. Here it is: "It was just after dawn in Woody Creek, Colorado when the first plane hit the World Trade Center in New York City on Tuesday morning. And as usual I was writing about sports. But not for long. Football suddenly seemed irrelevant compared to the scenes of destruction and other devastation coming out of New York on TV."




So HST thought the planes hit the WTC too?

Not a missile? Or Giant Ape? Or whatever you conspiracy theorists think happened?


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7543012 - 10/21/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Duh isn't that self evident. Hunter S. Thompson was a very informed man that liked to question things you should know this shouldn't you?


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7543016 - 10/21/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Sure, nobody is arguing that. Again, I'm the guys biggest fan.

I'm just saying that nowhere in that link you posted does it have HST saying "9-11 Was An Inside Job".

Those are the editors words, not his.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7543032 - 10/21/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What is so stupid about the whole conspiracy crowd gibberish is that it's so vastly more complex and nonsensical and downright unbelievable than what actually occurred.

Let's face it -- what Osama's Merry Pranksters pulled off was not particularly challenging. It was really nothing more than hijacking some airliners. Airliners have been hijacked dozens of times over the years. It certainly doesn't take a rocket scientist to hijack an airliner. The only difference is that this time instead of ordering the pilot to fly the plane to Cuba or wherever, one of the hijackers flew it into the ground.

So why do all these moonbats have such a hard time accepting this? Any other explanation they put forth is necessarily WAY more complicated than this simple and effective plan, involving hundreds or even thousands of truly evil co-conspirators and split second Mission Impossible type operations that could be blown wide open by any random event that no complex plan could ever anticipate, like an office worker who was sleeping off a four martini lunch emerging from a bathroom and spotting guys installing demolition charges in one of the towers.

It's all well and good to pretend you're just "asking questions" and "poking holes", but none of you have a comprehensive scenario that makes even the slightest lick of sense to explain the totality of the operation.

The thing is the official explanation (in other words, what actually happened that day) is simple, direct, makes sense, is consistent with the laws of physics and with what we know about human behavior, and covers all the events of that day from the twin towers to the Pentagon to flight 93's crash landing in a field. The conspiracy "explanation" fails at each of those things.

Some people think that what set most of the fever swamp crew off is the fact that the towers collapsed -- that if the towers hadn't collapsed, there wouldn't be so much of this crap floating around out there. The Troofers can't seem to grasp that yes, those towers could have collapsed (and in fact did collapse) through a means other than controlled demolition. Never mind that the NIST report has shown the precise mechanism by which the collapse occurred, the Truthers just know those towers were so freaking strong that nothing short of explosive charges could destroy them.

But I disagree with those who think we wouldn't be subjected to this ill-informed hysteria if the towers hadn't collapsed. The thing is, even if the towers hadn't collapsed, the tinfoil hat brigade would still be claiming it was all a US government plot. Because hey... there are no evil people in the world except for the US government.

No amount of evidence will ever convince those who keep Reynold's Aluminum shareholders in the black that this was just what it appeared to be. Because to them, evidence isn't what matters. It's what you beleeeeeeeve, dewd!

There is no point trying to reason with people who reject reason.




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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Phred]
    #7543046 - 10/21/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It makes me feel so dirty to agree with you.

Zappa too.

Every time we're on the same side of an argument, I have to run to thw shower and scrub myself down with brillo.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7543080 - 10/21/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

He said it would benefit the Bush administration, but I can't find where he says that the Bush administration did it.

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Redstorm]
    #7543118 - 10/21/07 02:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Its not there, trust me.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7543304 - 10/21/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

If your a true fan of Hunter then you def need to see this Madtown http://youtube.com/watch?v=zIyWkinCsMs


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7543311 - 10/21/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not going to discuss this anymore in this thread.

If you want to start a "HST was killed by the Gvt" thread, I'll be happy to talk to you there.

The guy was sick, had hinted 100 times to his wife and son that he was considering suicide, has said in his books and columns that if he ever went, it'd be by his own hand with a gun.

His son was in the house when this happened. Did a gov't hit team sneak by his son and kill him w/out Thompson making a sound? Did he not notice them while he was on the phone with his wife? Why not say "Eeep! There is a gov't hit team here to kill me!"

Blah Blah Blah.

The guy was sick and killed himself, I'd do the same thing. I dont bedgrudge him for it.

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Anita Thompson said;
Like many others who knew the writer, Anita Thompson said she was not surprised that he committed suicide, because he had spoken more than once about ending his life on his own terms, when he thought it was time to go.




http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/books/10/12/the.gonzo.way.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7543369 - 10/21/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

lol ya ok you obviously didn't even watch the video I posted. And I said nothing of the sort about believing that he was killed by the government. Infact I believe he did kill himself and it was because he was sick and got tired of reading about all this depressing stuff on bush. So he shot himself and know more attention will be drawn to his last message and that's it.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7543387 - 10/21/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

buddhahoodlum said:
lol ya ok you obviously didn't even watch the video I posted. And I said nothing of the sort about believing that he was killed by the government. Infact I believe he did kill himself and it was because he was sick and got tired of reading about all this depressing stuff on bush. So he shot himself and know more attention will be drawn to his last message and that's it.




That's the most plausible theory I have heard about his death so far. I don't know enough about it to draw my own conclusions, but if I was him, at his age, seeing that there's no change except for the worse, I'd probably want to go out with a bang as well.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7543572 - 10/21/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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It makes me feel so dirty to agree with you.

Zappa too.

Every time we're on the same side of an argument, I have to run to thw shower and scrub myself down with brillo.




You also might want to consider taking some kind of IQ test when that happens because clearly there was something in whatever you ate that made you smarter. For just that short time, of course.


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