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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: BrAiN]
    #7423820 - 09/18/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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The prosecutor in that case is doing time also



He deserves to rot in hell.

He knew they were innocent and tried to lock them up for selfish political reasons.

He deserves to suffer 10x more than those duke kids would have suffered if he succeeded.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
    #7423849 - 09/18/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

from the video I saw - the kid went right from asking a question to being assaulted. Nothing in between. they cut his mic, and simultaneously assaulted him. There was no "you are under arrest" or "we cut your mic because of X"

just cut the mic, and attack. followed by applause and then internet justification.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7423865 - 09/18/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

jiggy asks:

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How did people get cuffed before tazers?




Often by getting whacked upside the head with a nightstick. Or by having an elbow or shoulder dislocated. Or with other injuries done to both cuffer and cuffee.

As I noted earlier, if the guy hadn't been such a world class idiot, he wouldn't even have been cuffed.

In my wild and crazy teenage years, there was a fairly lowlife bar I used to attend whenever I could because the drinks were cheap, the ID checks were basically non-existent, the rock bands were good, and there were easy hotties willing to show their appreciation to those willing to buy them a few beers or share a couple of joints. In my times there I observed how the bouncers dealt with patrons reluctant to leave without putting up a fuss. Believe me, those bouncers cut people a lot less slack than the guards in this video did. So one night when I was told to leave (completely unfairly -- I was doing nothing wrong other than standing too close to a guy who really WAS acting up), you know what I did? I left. I didn't even try to argue, much less resist. I just left. Chugged the rest of my beer on the way to the door, of course, and politely handed the empty to the doorman on the way out, but I left.

And those bouncers weren't charged with protecting a US senator from loonies -- they were just there to keep the chaos in that dive to more or less manageable levels.

Face it -- the guy brought it on himself.



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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7423876 - 09/18/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

it's no wonder you're so up in arms about this if you've actually some how convinced yourself that he was "attacked" after they cut his mic. you've some how developed this exaggerated and ridiculous version of events, and if it was actually accurate you'd be right to be angry with the police. it's not accurate at all though. they didn't just cut his mic and attack him. they cut his mic and tried to peacefully escort him out. he then resisted arrest and was tazered, end of story. tazering a man on the ground who is pinned by six cops wasn't the right thing for them to do, but it certainly isn't as bad as you want to make it out to be.

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7423882 - 09/18/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

why was he even being arrested though?

that is the only thing i disagree with in this situation. if they hadn't put their hands on him and just asked him to leave first, this wouldn't have happened.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7423901 - 09/18/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

How did people get cuffed before tazers?

With direct physical force that often left the police or the suspect or both injured. That's why tasers are used now. They're more effective than pepper spray, they wear off faster, and they work. And nobody gets hurt.

Why is that so freaking hard to understand?


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7423912 - 09/18/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

After seeing all the video posted here, especially that last one, it just reaffirmed my first impression that the kid was complete jackass in this situation and brought it all on himself. He wasn't contributing in any way to the event, rather he was merely trying to get on his soapbox and capitalize on the opportunity to lecture others. I can't understand why people think it is somehow noble or noteworthy to act like an ass and disrupt an event ruining it for everyone else there. No one came to this event to hear this idiot ramble on about his ideas. And if he had merely asked a reasonable, coherent, non-rambling question (even if it was the Skull-N-Bones question) he would have been left alone. But when he was denied the opportunity to continue lecturing everyone present he became combative. And becoming combative with police is about the stupidest thing anyone can ever do. Regardless of the police response, which may very well have been excessive, there is no one to blame but himself for the situation. And he could've easily avoided the tasing had he let them escort him from the premises instead of fighting them.

Short story, he was a dumbass and got exactly what he asked for.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Syle]
    #7423924 - 09/18/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly my point it's a violation of the 4th amendment. There's no justification for going up to someone and smiling and then tazering the shit out of him for nothing but protesting peacefully. I wanna know who commanded them to arrest him in the first place was it kerry?


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
    #7423932 - 09/18/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I cannot believe that people are not supporting this kid. Really take a look at what is going on, the kid got electrocuted for asking questions.... at a fucking university! People say ,"Oh he got what he deserved" and "Oh what did he expect." Yup yup, it is ok to fear asking tough questions and expect assault for exercising freedom of speech.... Holy shit, what happened on that video is SO WRONG. And those assholes in the crowd clapped, thought it was funny (at first), and didn't do shit when the kid was getting zapped.... I hope they have fun being another cog in the machine. That fact that people aren't upset by this video is really sad. I bet if that happened to a woman the reaction would be different or if the kid had been less "annoying".... yeah you have to look and be "cool" to protest now days right!? Give me a break. Thank you kotik for posting this.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7423933 - 09/18/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

kotik writes:

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from the video I saw - the kid went right from asking a question to being assaulted. Nothing in between.




Then I don't know what video you saw. The one I saw was the one at the link I provided. The one done by some guy named Kyle Mitchell. And no, he wasn't "assaulted". Two guards took him by the arms and starting escorting him out of the auditorium.

And no, I didn't hear them say "You are under arrest" either. Maybe because at the time they first were leading him towards the door he wasn't under arrest. He was just a guy being escorted out of the auditorium. We can't tell from that video whether he was ever told he was under arrest or whether he just assumed he was and started shouting to the audience that he was being arrested.

"Help! Help!" Man, that's some comedy gold right there, I tell you what.

The guy was an ass. He totally lost it and paid the price. If he'd been a bit more rational the worst that would have happened to him was that his question would have been unanswered and he'd have been on the wrong side of the auditorium door while the whole thing wound down and Kerry signed autographs.



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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Syle]
    #7423948 - 09/18/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Syle said:
why was he even being arrested though?

that is the only thing i disagree with in this situation. if they hadn't put their hands on him and just asked him to leave first, this wouldn't have happened.



He wasn't arrested until he bacame combative and started fighting with the police. And if you watch the last video of his time at the mic he was obviously warned more then once to get to the point and ask a question. When he couldn't do that and continued lecturing his mic was cut off. He immediately became more adamant about "getting his turn" so he was going to be escorted out. Even at that point he was in no danger of being arrested. But he chose to fight the cops and that was where he made his last stupid mistake of the incident.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
    #7423963 - 09/18/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly what I was going to say, before tasers you would have gotten the shit kicked out of you for things like that.

That isn't to say that police don't get somewhat trigger happy with them but I do think it is better to stare down a taser then the alternatives.

Anyhow, that kid did forget an important rule about handling police confrontations. Stay calm and keep it simple, stupid. You never want to confuse a police officer about the nature of a situation or do anything that would make them feel threatened.
Like it has been said in this thread before he had opportunity to end this altercation positively and he didn't.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7423979 - 09/18/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
How did people get cuffed before tazers?

With direct physical force that often left the police or the suspect or both injured. That's why tasers are used now. They're more effective than pepper spray, they wear off faster, and they work. And nobody gets hurt.

Why is that so freaking hard to understand?




It's not had the student been a threat to anyone.

I didn't see that.

Kerry had him under control. When the kid was setting up his question, Kerry asked him, " What is the question, and the kid asked it then, followed by 2 more." Then out of nowhere, there is a scuffle, the kids mic is cut and he's being hauled away.

This is a video starting from before when Kerry, pointed to the kid to go ahead with his question. If questioning was over, why was there a line, with the kid already in the front and why did Kerry motion to him to go ahead?





Phred,

Sure the student could've backed off, shut up and spared himself the tazing and arrest. Kerry had him under control and the student asked his questions and then, he was just grabbed and a scuffle started.

I'd like to hear from the cops, why they felt a need to do that.

Someone in this thread asked if he was a student there at UF. Yes he was, surprise surprise, majoring in Communications and Journalism.:tongue:

I've seen more obnoxious setup and questioning from Hannity. This student has a future at Fox News.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7423986 - 09/18/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

There's no justification for going up to someone and smiling and then tazering the shit out of him for nothing but protesting peacefully.

I agree. But that's not what happened here.

He was asked to leave private property, refused, then got tased.

Refusing to leave when asked is not protesting peacefully. What video did YOU watch? :rolleyes:


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7423990 - 09/18/07 02:24 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Seuss' Transcript Service:

Kerry: "... for a strategy that is fatal. That's the distinction. Sir." (points to somebody to ask a question)

Student: "I fir, I first and foremost want to thank you for your time. You spent a lot of time talking to us here today. I want to thank you for coming and being open and honest. Uh, you recommended a book to us earlier and I wanted to recommend a book to you. It's called Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast..."

Kerry: "I have it actually."

Student: "Yeah, he's the top investigative journalist in America..."

Kerry: "I've already read it."

Student (incredulous): "...and he says you won the 2004 election..."

Kerry: "Right."

Student (incredulous): "...isn't that amazing?! Isn't that amazing that you won in 2004? In fact there were multiple reports on the day of the election of disenfranchisement of black voters in Florida..."

Kerry: "Correct."

Student:"...and Ohio..."

[we are now 35 seconds into the students "question"]

[A man in a suit standing behind the student leans over and whispers something to uniformed police officer. The police officer moves up behind the student.]

Kerry: "So what's the question?"

Student (speaking to people standing behind him): "Thank you very much."

Kerry: "So what's the question?"

[student turns back to Kerry]

Student: "That's my question. I'm..."

Kerry: "So what's the question?"

Student: "...going to preface it."

[student addresses people behind him]

Student (pointing at Kerry): "He's been talking for two hours. I think I can have two minutes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much."

Kerry: "Are you going to ask me your question?"

[student addresses Kerry]

Student: "I'm going to ask you my question! I'm gonna. I'm gonna inform people, then I'm gonna ask you my question. So there are multiple reports of disenfranchisement of black voters on the... on the day of the election in 2004..."

Kerry: "Correct" [I think, might have been the guy recording speaking]

Student: "...there is also voting machines... electronic voting machines in Alusia county Florida that counted backwards so amidst all of these reports of... of voting phony bogus stuff going on how could you concede the election on the day..."

[a few people clap... it is unknown if they clap because of his question or because he finally got around to asking a question. Just over a minute into this]

Student: "...how could you concede the 2004 election on the day when this book [points to book he is holding] says there are five million votes that were surpressed and that you won the election? Didn't you want to be president?"

[I think the next student is trying to move up to the mic. The first student doesn't even pause to take a breath . It is now 75 seconds since the student started talking (non stop).]

Student (addressing somebody other than Kerry): "I'm. I'm not even done yet. I have two more questions."

Student (addressing Kerry): "If you were so against Iran how come your not saying let's impeach Bush now, impeach Bush now before he can invade Iran? Why don't we impeach him, impeach Bush. Clinton. Clinton was impeached for what? A blowjob? Why don't we impeach Bush?"

[immediately after the word "blowjob" the two uniformed police officers look at each other and uncross their arms. Just under 90 seconds since the student started talking (non stop).]

Student: "Alright? Also, are you a member of, were you a member of skull and bones in college with Bush? Were you in the same secret society?"

[Just over 90 seconds, the person behind the mic says something to the student. It sounds as if "your time is up" but is difficult to understand.]

[Student speaking to guy behind him... can't hear what he is saying.]

[Looks like guy signals somebody with a cut motion, presumably for the mic.]

[Two uniformed police officers move up beside the student to escort him away from the mic. Student starts to resist their efforts.]

Kerry: That's all right. Let me answer his question.

[Student starts to freak out, shouting something garbled while trying to keep the uniformed officers from touching him.]

[The two officers get ahold of the student and start to escort him out of the room.]

Student: Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah.

Student screams: "Is anybody watching this? I'm not going anywhere."

[student tries to turn around and to get back to the mic, but the uniformed officers continue to escort him towards the back of the room]

[audience claps, presumably at the removal of the student]

[student breaks away from uniformed officers and runs towards the stage]

[uniformed officers grab student about halfway there. Student continues to struggle for twenty seconds]

[third uniformed officer arrives. They continue trying to escort the student out. The student continues to break their hold and turn towards the stage. Now 120 seconds since the student started talking.]

Student (screaming): "Get your hands off me! Help! Help!"

[student breaks away again, and tries to jump over the uniformed officers to get back to the mic]

[indistinct screaming from student]

Student (fighting to get away): "Get off of me! What did I do!? What did I do!? What did I do!? Help!!! Help!!!"

Officer: "Put your hands behind your back!"

Student: "Get off of me! I didn't do anything! Help me! Help me! Help!"

Student: "They're arresting me!"

[indistinct yelling... something about get those cuffs...]

Officer (yelling): "You'll be tazed if you do not [garbled]..."

[more indistinct yelling... now 163 seconds into this]

Officer (yelling): "Roll over onto your stomach!"

Another officer: "Put your hands behind your back!"

Female officer (yelling): "Stop resisting, NOW!"

[garbled ... sounds like roll over]

Female officer (yelling at student): "Do it now!"

[Kerry begins to speak while the three police struggle with the student on the floor.]

Student (yells): "... hands off!"

Kerry: I'll answer his question ... unfortunately he is not available to swear me in as president.

[audience laughs]

[now 3 minutes... 90 seconds since the uniformed officers tried to escort the student out of the room... 90 seconds of the student resisting]

Student (yelling): "Why are they arresting me?!"

Kerry: ... as it is a very important question ...

Student (yelling): "What did I do!? Get off me!"

[more garbled commands from police]

Student (yelling): "Get the fuck off me, man! I didn't do anything!"

[student that didn't do anything has been struggling with police for 106 seconds]

[cop says something]

Student (yelling): "Don't taze me, bro! Don't taze me!"

[student continues to fight]

Student (screaming): "I didn't do anything!"

[zap, zap, zap, zap, zap]

Student (screaming): "Ahhhowwwwww! Owwwwww! OWWWWWW!"

[student continues to scream "owww!" over and over, though tazer stopped long ago]

Student: "Let me go!"

[Once tazed, he stops fighting and lets them remove him from the room approximately 150 seconds after he started to resist]

[Watching from another angle, four police are pushing him towards the back of the room when he runs towards the back, then around the side of the police to try and get back to the front of the room. This is when they take him down and try to handcuff him. He continues to resist, and gets tazed for his efforts.]

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #7423999 - 09/18/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Indian cops dont have tazers....or guns! If you can run faster than them, you could probably get away.

Id run.

And yeah, if I were this guy, Id either say "ok fuck it, ill leave", but if I was going to be THAT charged up, I mean why not go all out and fuck someone up on the way out. I can be a slippery bastard too, so id just grab the fucking tazer and taze the shit out of anyone in teh vicinity, kick some balls, grab some boobies and then run! Muhaahahahaa...

Anyhoo, good thing I left the U.S. and Im back home. Place is going nuts. Good to see that the U.S. will always be as crazy as I remember it. Ill come back and visit some day. Perhaps even get tazered for the fuck of it!!!:)


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7424002 - 09/18/07 02:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

It's not had the student been a threat to anyone.

That doesn't matter jiggy. He was asked to leave private property and refused. THAT is what started this. He combativeness escalated it.

The transcript shows that he several times broke free from the cops who were trying to remove him from the room and tried to run back toward the stage.

If someone in your home refuses to leave after you've asked him to, what would you have the police do in that case?

And again, let's get it through our heads once and for all that tasers are a BETTER way to subdue someone than manhandling them and risking injuries to everyone involved. They are not instruments of brutality; they're the opposite.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Seuss]
    #7424018 - 09/18/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks Seuss. Good transcript, and very telling.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Seuss]
    #7424041 - 09/18/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I tried to be as impartial as possible. I mainly wanted to get the beginning part as accurate as I could. Everybody has seen the end, so I didn't spend as much time there.

The one line I wasn't certain about... I have it as:

Kerry: "Are you going to ask me your question?"

But it also sounds like, "Would you like to come up here." However, based upon the students response, I went with the first version. If anybody else can tell what is being said, or finds any mistakes, please correct me.

Also, it was the profanity that seemed to set off the police. The word blowjob goosed them, and when he shouted fuck (get the fuck off me, man!) is when they tazed him. *shrug*


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7424053 - 09/18/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

jiggy writes:

Quote:

If questioning was over, why was there a line, with the kid already in the front and why did Kerry motion to him to go ahead?




See, jiggy, that's why I provided the link I did in my earlier post -- the one that has details from people who were at the event and saw what happened before the cameras started rolling. He was at the head of the line basically because he pushed his way to the mic once the announcement was made that this was the end of the question period.

This guy is apparently pretty well known on campus as a professional rabble rouser. That's not to say he didn't have the right to stand in line with other folks and ask a question if he made it to the front of the line in the allotted time, mind you. But perhaps the reason the event organizers lost patience with his rambling and told security to get him out of there was due to their knowledge of his past antics.

Maybe if he had just asked a question rather than babbling on about Greg Palast and machines rolling back numbers and Clinton's blowjobs for a minute and a half, things would have turned out differently. But after watching the clip you provided and reading the transcript Seuss provided, I can certainly see why the audience applauded when the security folks started heading him towards the door.



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