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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #7423464 - 09/18/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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For christ sake's it's not like the guy had a weapon he's holding a freaken book people.




You should watch Harold and Kumar. There's a scene where these cops start beating this blck dude's ass.

COP1: STOP RESISTING!!!!
BLACK DUDE: I'm not resisting!
COP1: HE'S GOT A GUN!
BLACK DUDE: It's not a gun! It's a book!
COP1: SECURE THE BOOK!
COP2: THE BOOK IS SECURED!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7823004370617435603&q=harold+kumar+jail&total=5&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Fast forward to the end

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: BrAiN]
    #7423482 - 09/18/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

> "elp elp I'm bein' opressed!" :wink:

Ah, thanks! Fixed it.  :smile:


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: BrAiN]
    #7423489 - 09/18/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

The book he's holding is a weapon.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Middleman]
    #7423501 - 09/18/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Ahhh that's it.

It was a yellow book. They must have mistaken is for the missing Yellow Cake uranium that we were looking for in Iraq.

My bad! :wink:

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7423534 - 09/18/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

just another reason to loath Kerry for being a big giant pussy.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: afoaf]
    #7423544 - 09/18/07 12:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yea. I wonder if, before I die, there will ever be a president worth voting for that actually has a fighting chance at being elected.

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: BrAiN]
    #7423570 - 09/18/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Here's a much more complete account of the incident, including commentary from people who were there for the whole thing and fill us in on what occurred before the part where the videos start.

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/17/student-tasered-at-john-kerry-forum/

Did they really HAVE to taser him in order to cuff him? I dunno. But for sure he was warned repeatedly that if he DIDN'T let them cuff him, he was going to be tasered. That is quite clear from the videos. And note how easily he was able to get loose from the first two guards escorting him back up the aisle, even though it looks like they had him in some kind of "come-along" armlock type hold. It wasn't till other guards joined in the scrum that he was more or less contained. Is this guy some sort of ninja able to slip out of anything short of a Vulcan deathgrip or were the first two guards just not very good at their job? I have no idea.

Bottom line -- when the security guys move in and tell you to leave, you leave. If you choose to fight them, man up and accept the consequences.

What a hysterical little baby! "Help me! Don't tase me, bro!" Jumping Jiminy. You don't want to be tasered, just go with them. How hard is that to understand?




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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
    #7423597 - 09/18/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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What a hysterical little baby! "Help me! Don't tase me, bro!" Jumping Jiminy. You don't want to be tasered, just go with them. How hard is that to understand?





you must have seen a different video. the one I saw, had the kid on the ground, under at least 5-6 cops, screaming "please don't tase me, I'll leave!"

Now how exactly would one "just go with them" when in that situation? (buried under police, saying you will go peacefully?)

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
    #7423598 - 09/18/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

yea he was a pussy. He should have fought back and bunched that bitch copy in then face and then kicked that dude in the balls.

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: BrAiN]
    #7423602 - 09/18/07 12:47 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

the guy is a douche bag and i'm glad he got tasered.

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: BrAiN]
    #7423617 - 09/18/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

"Andrew spoke up after the Dean of International Affairs had stated final question. The final question was being asked about Israel, and then Andrew got on the mic on the other side of the room (noting he was next on the mic), and then proceeded to tell Kerry that its not fair not to be able to ask more questions after listening to him for an hour, and the Dean exclusively asking Kerry questions for another 45 minutes, leaving students 25 minutes to ask questions. At that point, the officers try to subdue him, but Kerry sternly told the police officers to back down. Kerry then asked Meyer if he can finish the other question and then proceed to his. Meyer consented. After the last question was answered, Kerry asked Meyer, what is your question."

Actually... the video DOES only tell one side of the story...

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Phred]
    #7423632 - 09/18/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Did they really HAVE to taser him in order to cuff him?




How did people get cuffed before tazers?

This was all unnecesary. Kerry was okay with being asked the question and said he would answer it.

What was the problem?


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #7423635 - 09/18/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I take back what I said... BEAT THE DOUCHE!

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: BrAiN]
    #7423641 - 09/18/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Am I sick that I get a kick out of watching videos of cops pulling ppl over for speeding, and watching those ppl mouth off and curse to the cops because they want to finish their cell phone conversations while the cops are trying to take care of business... and watching them get tazered?

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: BrAiN]
    #7423681 - 09/18/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i'm not saying he should have been tasered, and i'm not saying it was some horrible abuse of power either. all i'm saying is that i thought it was funny when he was tasered.

seriously this isn't as big of a deal as it's made out to be. this guy isn't some martyr. he's just some moron who acted like an ass and got tasered by some slightly over zealous cops. people get tasered everyday in this country. that's the way it is unfortunately but it's better than getting shot i suppose!

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #7423691 - 09/18/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

You want to see the world's greatest selt declared martyrs? If you guys are ever in DC stop by the white house. There's always some dude with absolutely no political credentials doing some stupid shit in front of the white house acting like the world needs to listen to him.

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7423702 - 09/18/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

the kid was an idiot, the cops were idiots, just a bad formula for trouble. of course this was going to happen. both parties should be punished. neither side should get any sort of reconciliation out of this, rather both sides should be justly punished.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Diploid]
    #7423777 - 09/18/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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If it was me I'd be glad they tasered me though, more money in the lawsuit.

He's not going to win any lawsuit.

He was on private property. When he was asked to leave, he said he wouldn't until he finished asking his questions. When the campus police asked him to leave, he fought them instead of simply leaving and saving himself an arrest.

Had the police subdued the guy without a taser, they might have injured him. Then we'd hear everyone crying police brutality. The reason they use the taser in the first place is to prevent injury to either the police or the suspect.

Whether Kerry is a coward for removing him is another matter, but the police did nothing wrong here.



That's what all the talking heads said about the Duke lacrosse boys that had their lives torn up. Now they're all millionaires. Just wait. You'll hear about a "settlement" in this case too.


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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #7423797 - 09/18/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

The prosecutor in that case is doing time also

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Re: Student Tasered For Asking Sen. Kerry About Skull & Bones - Video (np) [Re: kotik]
    #7423812 - 09/18/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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you must have seen a different video. the one I saw, had the kid on the ground, under at least 5-6 cops, screaming "please don't tase me, I'll leave!"




I saw the same video you did. Did you watch it from the point they cut off his mike and the guards moved in? Did they not give him plenty of opportunity to leave peacefully? Did he not break away from them when they were escorting him to the aisle? Did he head toward the exit when he broke away from them at the back of the auditorium or did he head back towards the stage?

This guy brought it all on himself. He could have walked up the aisle under his own power. He chose not to -- he chose to squirm free and head closer to the stage. Once the big black cop moved in and started hustling-bouncing him up the aisle, he could have let them guide him to the exit. He chose not to. Basically, any time they give him an inch of slack, he acted like an idiot.

Yeah... finally when he was down and had nowhere to go, he claimed he would "walk out of here". The guards treated this claim skeptically (wouldn't you, based on his actions so far?) and decided that yeah, he'd walk out of there... in cuffs. Rather than let them cuff him, he kept struggling. So they zapped him, cuffed him, and took him out.

This guy had multiple opportunities every step of the way to avoid getting zapped, and even to avoid getting cuffed. He chose not to act on those opportunities. So be it.

One can of course opine that the event organizers should have let the guy get away with all his crap... shoving his way to the head of the line, giving a speech before asking loaded inflammatory questions after the organizers had already made clear the question period was over, etc. But once the organizers made the call that this guy was acting inappropriately and had to leave, and instructed the guards to escort him out, the guy should have let himself be escorted out. Hell, he could even have shouted more questions and protestations every step of the way to the exit -- as long as kept moving to the exit. But once the decision was made that he was to be ejected, he was going to be ejected. It was completely up to him to decide how banged up he was going to get during the ejection.



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