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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Luddite]
    #7535830 - 10/19/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: Seuss]
    #7535831 - 10/19/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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> Are you a structural engineer?

Nope, but I have had several of classes in mechanics and dynamics. This mode of failure isn't difficult to understand.




I was actually replying to peter.

But I hear ya.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: zorbman]
    #7535835 - 10/19/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535844 - 10/19/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Where are all the people who were on the planes?


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: zorbman]
    #7535859 - 10/19/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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a simple easy way to disprove "conspiracy theorists" with the pentagon would be to show the plane crashing into the pentagon




That video was taken from a surveillance camera and those types of cameras produce notoriously low quality footage. Also keep in mind how fast that plane was going and what a relatively small area the camera was covering. The best you can hope for is a few frames of blurry footage.

Most people do not base their notion of a plane hitting based upon that footage. It is crystal clear to any reasonable person from the debris, the hijacked plane, and the dead passengers including at least one famous person, Barbara Olsen. Helllooo?

Facts are stubborn things.

Just because you want something to be so does not make it so.




the pentagon is not full of security camaras?, one is going to get a good shot surely. and why confiscate the tapes?.

not only that but the place were the planes hit (another massive co-incidense) is were they were doing repair work, so the people who died were mostly workers. if it hit the other side i think thats dick cheneys office. lucky eh?.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535883 - 10/19/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Madrid fire heats up 9-11 debate

author: 911truthseeker

Unlike the twin trade towers (and WTC 7), this 32 story steel beamed building remains standing after burning for 17 hours straight. Does steel act differently in Spain or are we confronted with yet another 9-11 anomoly?
Check out these photos for yourself. http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3...
How can a steel beamed building sustain hours and hours of fire without collapsing? Afterall, we were told that the reason the World Trade Center towers fell after only two hours was due to fire. The FEMA report and 9-11 Commission report admitted that the buildings were designed to withstand the impact from airplanes, so we were told fire was the cause of their pancake- like collapse. Now, however, that conclusion comes under even more suspicion. To see and hear more information that contradicts the official version of 9-11, go to the video showing and discussion this Saturday, Feb. 19th from noon to 8pm at the Friends Meeting House on SE Start at 43rd in Portland. Special bonus screening of Votescam at 2pm.



http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/310898.shtml


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535899 - 10/19/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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if it hit the other side i think thats dick cheneys office. lucky eh?.




No... very very unlucky.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535906 - 10/19/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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A True Hero on 9/11
and ever since then...
With Special Guests- Peter Dale Scott, and Cindy Sheehan

Declared a hero for saving numerous lives at ground zero, William Rodriguez was a janitor on duty the morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sublevels of the North Tower before the jetliner struck the top floors. His testimony was omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report.

At great risk to his own life, William re-entered the towers three times after the initial impacts and is believed to be the last person to exit the North Tower alive, surviving the building’s collapse by diving beneath a fire truck. After receiving medical attention at the WTC site for his injuries, he spent the rest of the day aiding in the rescue efforts as a volunteer, and at dawn the next day he was back to help rescue survivors.

In addition to being a spokesperson for the New York City first responders, William is also active in the movement for immigrant rights. He was a major force behind the campaign to encourage undocumented immigrant survivors and relatives of victims to come forward for help without fear of deportation. The group also raised funds for scholarships for children of immigrants killed or maimed in the attacks.

His firsthand account of his experiences that day challenges the official narrative, which claims that the towers' collapse had nothing to do with explosives. He has spoken throughout the world to share his story and to lobby for a genuine international inquiry into the events of 9/11--on behalf of those who died, the survivors, those whose health was compromised, and all who have suffered from bad policy decisions that were based on the official narrative of 9/11.






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“Last Man Out” of World Trade Center Tower #1 Recounts his Chilling and Provocative Story and his Lingering Questions. Daily, William Rodriguez met with co-workers for breakfast at the Windows on the World Restaurant on the 106th floor of World Trade Center Tower #1. Nearly two hundred people, most of William’s friends, were in the restaurant on the morning of September 11. None of them survived. For nearly twenty years, the Puerto Rican-born, New Jersey resident was a custodian in-charge of the three stairwells — A, B and C — in the North Tower. In possession of the master key that opened all of the stairwell doors at each floor in the 110 story building, William Rodriguez personally saved the lives of 15 people that day and aided NYC firefighters in saving hundreds of others. Having told his chilling account to thousands of people across the globe, he comes to Boston sharing his stories of heroic and selfless first responders, his personal witness to explosions in the sub-basements “before” the plane hit the north tower and during the rescue efforts, and tales of strange noises coming from the vacant and restricted 34th floor. Honored five times by President Bush, William Rodriguez has helped draft and implement legislation on behalf of members, in demanding the creation of the 9/11 Commission, during which his testimony was kept private and mysteriously excluded from its final report




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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535923 - 10/19/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)



bush caught lying about sept 11th. its only 1 min10secs.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535941 - 10/19/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=53815767687186956&hl=en
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BROOKLYN, N.Y. - Firefighter John Schroeder, assigned to Engine Company 10 directly across the street from the World Trade Center complex, holds back tears and describes his first-hand experience on Sept. 11th. His story directly contradicts many aspects of the National Commission on Terrorist attacks and corroborates many other eyewitnesses testimony.

“Standing outside the firehouse with my buddies, we were talking about how beautiful the day was. Then just like that, our lives changed forever. Some of those guys I would never see again.”

In this exclusive interview, Firefighter Schroeder recollects in great detail how he was one of the first firefighters to rush to the complex. “We first assembled on West Street, where we saw someone burnt beyond recognition. We were like ‘What is going on here?’ and then went straight into the Marriot building” From there, Firefighter Schroeder made his way to the lobby of the North Tower. “It looked like a bomb went off, and we started making our way up the stairs to rescue as many people as we could.”

As they were making there way up the floors, Firefighter Schroeder heard a huge explosion. “The elevators just blew right out. We couldn’t believe it. The plane hits 80 floors up but the elevators explode at least five minutes later? It was unreal.”

Firefighter Schroeder made it all the way up to the 23rd floor before barely hearing on the failing radios that another plane was coming in. That plane would hit the South Tower though for some reason “We were tossed like a rag doll by another explosion in our building. People were making their way down the stairwells burnt like you couldn’t believe. We were all shocked because it seemed as if there was fire everywhere, on so many floors. It just didn’t make sense”.

John Schroeder, we want to thank you for being as brave as your job requires in speaking out about your experiences on Sept/ 11th. You have set the historical record straight by explaining your story. This nation is forever grateful to you as your account will help to save and protect many more lives.




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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535962 - 10/19/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Rodriguez also complains that his accounts of events have been ignored by official investigative bodies. Yet, when given the opportunity to put his observations on the public record with investigators from NIST - the very body investigating the cause of the collapse of the twin towers - he said not a word about explosives planted in the basement.




"Rodriguez also complains that his accounts of events have been ignored by official investigative bodies. Yet, when given the opportunity to put his observations on the public record with investigators from NIST - the very body investigating the cause of the collapse of the twin towers - he said not a word about explosives planted in the basement."

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: zorbman]
    #7535974 - 10/19/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Fidel Castro says U.S. fooled world over 9/11

HAVANA (Reuters) - Ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro said the U.S. government misinformed Americans and the world about 9/11, echoing conspiracy theories about the terror attacks against the United States six years ago.

In an essay read by a Cuban television presenter on Tuesday night, Castro said the Pentagon was hit by a rocket, not a plane, because no traces were found of its passengers.

"Today one knows there was deliberate misinformation," wrote Castro, who has not appeared in public since July of 2006 when life-threatening surgery for a secret illness forced him to hand over power to his brother Raul Castro.

"Studying the impact of planes, similar to those that hit the Twin Towers, that had accidentally fallen on densely populated cities, one concludes that it was not a plane that crashed into the Pentagon," Castro said.

"Only a projectile could have caused the geometrically round hole that allegedly was made by the plane," he said.

"We were fooled like the rest of the planet's inhabitants," he wrote.

Castro said the truth behind the September 11 attacks with hijacked planes that killed nearly 3,000 people will probably never be known.

Castro's 4,256-word essay made no mention of Osama bin Laden and his militant Islamist al Qaeda network behind the attacks on New York's World Trade Center and Washington.

Castro, who was the target of CIA assassination plots after his 1959 revolution, said Cuba tipped off U.S. security services in 1984 about a plan to kill then President Ronald Reagan while he campaigned for re-election in North Carolina.

The information provided by Cuba led to the arrest of a group of would-be assassins and foiled the plot, he wrote.





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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: zorbman]
    #7535989 - 10/19/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

The fact that they haven't released all the security cameras' footage is bullshit, imo.  I can't imagine the national security risk to revealing what is already understood to be there. 

Just like w/ the JFK records which were sealed (which clinton partially unsealed), the witholding of evidence that couldn't possibly serve any legitimate purpose (to my knowledge) both fuels conspiracy theories and pisses of those, like me, who feel that the governent's information should belong to the people unless their is a clear national security risk.

Not enough to make me buy the conspiracy theories, but it is enough to continue to distrust the government:thumbdown:

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535992 - 10/19/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Alzheimers is a terrible disease.


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535993 - 10/19/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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9/11 - the big cover-up?
Even the chair of the 9/11 Commission now admits that the official evidence they were given was 'far from the truth'.
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Six years after 9/11, the American public have still not been provided with a full and truthful account of the single greatest terror attack in US history.

What they got was a turkey. The 9/11 Commission was hamstrung by official obstruction. It never managed to ascertain the whole truth of what happened on September 11 2001.

The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority;
and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.

From the outset, the commission seemed to be hobbled. It did not start work until over a year after the attacks. Even then, its terms of reference were suspiciously narrow, its powers of investigation curiously limited and its time-frame for producing a report unhelpfully short - barely a year to sift through millions of pages of evidence and to interview hundreds of key witnesses.

The final report did not examine key evidence, and neglected serious anomalies in the various accounts of what happened. The commissioners admit their report was incomplete and flawed, and that many questions about the terror attacks remain unanswered. Nevertheless, the 9/11 Commission was swiftly closed down on August 21 2004.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/...g_coverup.html




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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7535997 - 10/19/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I can't post what I want to. It is way too close to the edge of me being gone forever. Let's just say it involves the words "prenatal" and "forced"


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7536020 - 10/19/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11

By Alan Miller
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September 5, 2007


AA Flight 77 – Pentagon...
“The pilot of the Boeing 757 [Hani Hanjour] did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757’s and 767’s and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described. I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven! Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident? Where is all the luggage? Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft? Where are the steel engine parts? Where is the steel landing gear? Where is the tail section that would have broken into large pieces?”

United Flight 93 - Shanksville, PA...
“Where is any of the wreckage? Of all the pictures I have seen, there is only a hole! Where is any piece of a crashed airplane? Why was the area cordoned off, and no inspection allowed by the normal accident personnel? Where is any evidence at all?”

WTC Twin Towers...
“How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just doesn’t add up... Why did the second building collapse before the first one, which had been burning for 20 minutes longer after a direct hit, especially when the second one hit was just a glancing blow? If the fire was so hot, then why were people looking out the windows and in the destroyed areas? Why have so many members of the New York Fire Department reported seeing or hearing many ‘explosions’ before the buildings collapsed?”


U.S. Navy ‘Top Gun’ pilot, Commander Ralph Kolstad, started questioning the official account of 9/11 within days of the event. “It just didn’t make any sense to me,” he said. And now 6 years after 9/11 he says, “When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story.”

Now retired, Commander Kolstad was a top-rated fighter pilot during his 20-year Navy career. Early in his career, he was accorded the honor of being selected to participate in the Navy’s ‘Top Gun’ air combat school, officially known as the U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School. The Tom Cruise movie, “Top Gun” reflects the experience of the young Navy pilots at the school. Eleven years later, Commander Kolstad was further honored by being selected to become a ‘Top Gun’ adversary instructor. While in the Navy, he flew F-4 Phantoms, A-4 Skyhawks, and F-14 Tomcats and completed 250 aircraft carrier landings.

Commander Kolstad had a second career after his 20 years of Navy active and reserve service and served as a commercial airline pilot for 27 years, flying for American Airlines and other domestic and international careers. He flew Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100 airliners. He has flown a total of over 23,000 hours in his career.

Commander Kolstad is especially critical of the account of American Airlines Flight 77 that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon. He says, “At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757’s and 767’s and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described.”

Commander Kolstad adds, “I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven!”

He points to the physical evidence at the Pentagon impact site and asks in exasperation, “Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident? Where is all the luggage? Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft? Where are the steel engine parts? Where is the steel landing gear? Where is the tail section that would have broken into large pieces?”

But no major element of the official account of 9/11 is spared from Commander Kolstad’s criticism. Regarding the alleged impact site of United Airlines Flight 93 near Shanksville, PA, he asks, “Where is any of the wreckage? Of all the pictures I have seen, there is only a hole! Where is any piece of a crashed airplane? Why was the area cordoned off, and no inspection allowed by the normal accident personnel? Where is any evidence at all?”

Commander Kolstad also questions many aspects of the attack on the World Trade Center. “How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just doesn’t add up."

"Why did the second building collapse before the first one, which had been burning for 20 minutes longer after a direct hit, especially when the second one hit was just a glancing blow? If the fire was so hot, then why were people looking out the windows and in the destroyed areas? Why have so many members of the New York Fire Department reported seeing or hearing many ‘explosions’ before the buildings collapsed?”

Commander Kolstad summarized his frustration with the investigation and disbelief of the official account of 9/11, “If one were to act as an accident investigator, one would look at the evidence, and then construct a plausible scenario as to what led to the accident. In this case, we were told the story and then the evidence was built to support the story. What happened to any intelligent investigation? Every question leads to another question that has not been answered by anyone in authority. This is just the beginning as to why I don’t believe the official ‘story’ and why I want the truth to be told.”

Commander Kolstad is just one of the many military and commercial pilots who have publicly expressed serious concerns about the official account of 9/11. Statements from more than 30 other pilots are available at http://PatriotsQuestion911.com .

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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: johnm214]
    #7536029 - 10/19/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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..the witholding of evidence that couldn't possibly serve any legitimate purpose (to my knowledge) both fuels conspiracy theories




They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. For example, the Pentagon videos do not provide conclusive evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon- the video quality is too poor. ( Of course there is ample evidence elsewhere as I have shown. ) So if they don't release the video they are accused of covering up. When they do release it the video doesn't provide conclusive evidence.  :shrug:


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Re: 9/11 was a inside job, video with convincing arguments. [Re: peter19]
    #7536057 - 10/19/07 03:47 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Norman Mineta Confirms That Dick Cheney Ordered Stand Down on 9/11
Former Transportation Secretary Disputes 9/11 Commission Report Timetable for Dick Cheney and Reveals Lynn Cheney Was Also in PEOC Bunker Before Attack

Former Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta answered questions from members of 9/11 Truth Seattle.org about his testimony before the 9/11 Commission report.

Mineta says Vice President Cheney was "absolutely" already there when he arrived at approximately 9:25 a.m. in the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center) bunker on the morning of 9/11. Mineta seemed shocked to learn that the 9/11 Commission Report claimed Cheney had not arrived there until 9:58-- after the Pentagon had been hit, a report that Mineta definitively contradicted.

Norman Mineta revealed that Lynn Cheney was also in the PEOC bunker already at the time of his arrival, along with a number of other staff.





Mineta is on video testifying before the 9/11 Commission, though it was omitted in their final report. He told Lee Hamilton:

“During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?

Mineta confirmed his statements with reporters, saying "When I overheard something about 'the orders still stand' and so, what I thought of was that they had already made the decision to shoot something down."

Norman Mineta made it clear to reporters-- who verified his quotes in written text alongside him-- that Mineta was indeed talking about a stand down order not to shoot down hijacked aircraft headed for the Pentagon.

After no shoot down took place, it became clear that Cheney intended to keep NORAD fighter jets from responding-- evidence that Cheney is guilty of treason, not negligence for allowing the Pentagon to be hit.






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    #7536061 - 10/19/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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