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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Moonshoe]
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If you're prepared to kill for something, be prepared to die for it.

Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword (if they so choose the path)


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
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Yes.

I would kill to protect my husband.

Or for food, if needed.

Beyond that, no, I try not to kill anything.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
~~*hellllp me hellllp me*~~

^^^^From the original fly movie with Vincent Price, i simply couldn't resist. Next time i vow to try to excercise more restraint 

I am fairly certain the fly in the web with human head and the high-pitched voice actually said "Save me! Save me!"

If I am wrong (is that possible?), then I will buy you a drink when you come to Vegas.



Well i'm ever there Swamster it would be a delight to hoist a drink in celebration of one of the rare occasions when you are/were wrong :grin: But for now all i can truthfully say that i am reasonably sure that the fly with the human head said help me and not save me although in the context of the movie and what was transpiring in that particular sequence i can see where you might have THOUGHT he said save me, save me  :tongue:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: kaiowas]
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kaiowas said:
no. even the terms "self defence" and "war" is very edgy in my book. I think it would be appropriate when a person is under attack to still consider a person's life, like some here said "aim for the leg"




but what if the other person is aiming for your head?


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

Edited by wrestler_az (11/14/04 09:02 AM)

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: wrestler_az]
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I would kill if it was to protect my family/friends lives.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: wrestler_az]
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wrestler_az said:
kaiowas said:
no. even the terms "self defence" and "war" is very edgy in my book. I think it would be appropriate when a person is under attack to still consider a person's life, like some here said "aim for the leg"



but what if the other person is aiming for your head?


Aim for the arm holding the gun, then.

No matter how you twist it, if you end up intentionally taking a life without absolute necessity it is going to eat you up inside. It's essentially back-tracking to anyone who considers them spiritually evolved to any degree.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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No matter how you twist it, if you end up intentionally taking a life without absolute necessity it is going to eat you up inside.



I know it would for me, but I'm not sure that applies to everyone. I suppose it depends whether we have an innate knowledge/belief that killing is wrong or we learn it from our experiences. If that belief was innate then surely it would have a similar effect on anyone, but if we only learn it then I think some people wouldn't really be affected by it.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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JacquesCousteau said:
No matter how you twist it, if you end up intentionally taking a life without absolute necessity it is going to eat you up inside. It's essentially back-tracking to anyone who considers them spiritually evolved to any degree.


I've squashed bugs before with no remorse to speak of.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: silversoul7]
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"Killing is wrong in any situation, even self defense "

interesting oppinion. what is the supporting logic sort of thing? Why is it wrong to kill to save your own life?

anyone else wanna answer my question about the nuke scientist baby?

when i say i would kill for an ideal i really mean i would kill to protect people and there right to live according to my ideals. for example i would never kill over an ideal like Jesus is lord or something but i would kill to defend the ideal like, all humans are entiteld to freedom and life... if someone was planning to implement some prison camp for blacks or something i would take a shot at him if i could.

well maybe im bullshitting, the personal risk involved in an assasination would probably make me pussy out. in fact it almost definetly would. see above part about killing for an ideal but not dieing for one.

maybe we could make another thread about what you would die for?


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: deafpanda]
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deafpanda said:
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No matter how you twist it, if you end up intentionally taking a life without absolute necessity it is going to eat you up inside.



I know it would for me, but I'm not sure that applies to everyone. I suppose it depends whether we have an innate knowledge/belief that killing is wrong or we learn it from our experiences. If that belief was innate then surely it would have a similar effect on anyone, but if we only learn it then I think some people wouldn't really be affected by it.


I suppose you are right.. I can only speak from my own perspective on this kind of matter I guess.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said:
but i would kill to defend the ideal like, all humans are entiteld to freedom and life...


I hope you can see the irony of that statement, man.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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lol now that you mention it yes i certainly can. but i guess thats kind of what this whole thread is about right?

like, killing would be justified to prevent someone killing me or my sister.

thats pretty much the same thing isnt it? killing to prevent killing?

but, the way i see it is, the initiatior or instigatior of the violence, is the one who should be subjected to that violence. The guilty (of attempted murder) should be the ones who are subjected to murder, to protect the innocent who would otherwise have sufferd?


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Moonshoe]
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That where it gets spiritual. Someone who would go to violently attack another is acting out past rage of themselves being violently attacked. They were once 'victims' themselves. However, if someone has a gun to your kids head, you don't have time to ask them to lay on the couch and talk about their past and help them to heal it.

people who are in peace act in peace.

Did you know ALL persons in jail for violent crimes were physicaly abused as children????? that doesn't mean all kids who were physicaly abused go on to rage on others, but it does mean that all who rage on others were raged on at one point first themselves and were never taught how to heal.

How come no one was there to protect them when they were being brutalised as children? Without the transitional healing, they became the brutaliser to cope and compensate.

It's all so fucked up really.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
It's all so fucked up really.


Haha.. on my last mushroom trip, that was what I concluded after thinking about the state of the world for a while.

I was even planning to make some bumper stickers that said "It's all so fucked up" but I sobered up and decided against it for whatever reason...

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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I was even planning to make some bumper stickers that said "It's all so fucked up" but I sobered up and decided against it for whatever reason...

Gawd, you are SOooo negative! :shake:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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" Someone who would go to violently attack another is acting out past rage of themselves being violently attacked."

i agree. you can never really blame someone for the way they are. even the most despicable racist redneck murderer has the roots of his personality in his genetics , environment and upbringing.

However, you still dont have to like them or the way they are, and you still have to act in whatever way is nescessitated by the way they are.

its like an "ex-friend" of mine, had such a rough childhood, and grew up to be a total miser, he freaks out if you eat a piece of his food, if he thinks you stole his lighter hell hold a grudge forever. his dad is a racist and now hes in the habit of spewing bullshit racist crap when were chilling out.

i cant blame him for being this way, but at one point i just realized 'i dont like this kid, i dont like how he acts, what he thinks, or who he is" and so i dropped him as a friend. harsh?  maybe so.


"Did you know ALL persons in jail for violent crimes were physicaly abused as children????? "

no i didnt know that ALL of them were, your saying 100%? if thats true that is a truly phenomenol thing and says some horrible stuff about our justice system. I knew a girl whose brother was sexually abused by their father for years, when he turned 18 he bought a gun, and shot his father in cold blood.

he was given the death sentance

:sad: :mad2:....... :confused:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
I was even planning to make some bumper stickers that said "It's all so fucked up" but I sobered up and decided against it for whatever reason...

Gawd, you are SOooo negative! :shake:



Negative? How so? I thought I was a pretty positive guy... *shrug* Guess you can't impress 'em all.  :smirk:

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Moonshoe]
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Ya,

everyone in for violent crimes were physically abused as children. That is to say, no one who was commited of a violent crime was raised in a non violent environment.

I don't think it say anything about our justice system as much as what it says about what are acceptable forms of child rearing.

Thats what is fucked up. A parent can beat the shit out of a child and lean on religion "don't spare the rod to spoil the child" or disapline, but that same kid who learned violence is how you get your way gets locked up in jail for life.

Yo would'nt believe how many places, people and cops just look the other way saying a parent has the right to hit their own kids.


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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (11/14/04 01:48 PM)

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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people who are in peace act in peace.

:sun: :heart: :sun: :thumbup: :thumbup: :smile:


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