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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3244239 - 10/11/04 05:43 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

excelent posts all around. just to throw in an opinion,if you're doing this for spiritual purposes, unless your will is solid the fasting and abstinence is probably a good idea.

will is just as important in spiritual pursuits as anything else.


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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #3244813 - 10/11/04 08:02 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

i think the main thing about these kind of preperations for a trip is that they ingrain on the mind that this isnt just for fun, its serious. Everytime you skip a meal of turn down sex or whatever you think 'why am i doing this?' and then you remember its because you want a truly enlightening experience, and by preparing like that your more likely to have on, thats been my experience.

The downside tho is that when you do so much building up the trip itself is often a nervous affair, you want it to be so perfect and your sort of worried about it going bad...


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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: lovelight]
    #3244818 - 10/11/04 08:03 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

the last thing you need is some one's negative energy clogged to your astral body.

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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: MOTH]
    #5270594 - 02/06/06 05:54 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

In my opinion, fasting and abstinence clear the mind and open it for learning. Too much food or sex can drown one's mental & physical energy and power.

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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: MOTH]
    #5270647 - 02/06/06 06:02 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

To commune with the transcendent, it helps to avoid the distractions of the physical world.


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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5270852 - 02/06/06 06:55 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
To commune with the transcendent, it helps to avoid the distractions of the physical world.




Unless your model of transcendence includes the sexual domain as part of the transcendent experience. The Kabbalistic model seeks to (alchemically) join 'the Moon' (Yesod) with 'the Sun' (Tiphereth). It is a 'Hierosgamos' - a sacred marriage. Sexual intercourse on Friday night - the Jewish Sabbath - draws the Shekinah, the indwelling feminine aspect of G-D to the marriage bed (according to the tradition). The Union should include the Yesodic climax as well as the Tipherethic love - loins and heart - eros and agape. Lightning path downward, serpentine path upward.



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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5272673 - 02/07/06 09:20 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I tend to disagree with the abstinence and fasting style of shamans in the past. I've tried many different "rituals" before tripping, and I dislike both of these.

Fasting
I've noticed that fasting can cause your visualization ability to gain strength pretty quickly...after 18 hours or so. However, the mindset seems to be slightly more delusional than normal consciousness. Besides, the urge to eat will eventually interrupt you. I don't feel that eating blocks "spiritual activities". I had my very first conscious astral projection after eating a massive steak (probably because I was so relaxed). However, fasting to prevent nausea seems like a beneficial action.

Abstinence
There are two simple reasons why I disagree with abstinence before tripping. First of all, to me it's better to go ahead and get it out of your system, so that it doesn't interrupt you. Secondly, you are very relaxed after sex. One of the main authors on AP even recommends you use sex to help you prepare for an astral projection. To me, it works good for tripping too.

But I would have to say that on most trips, I am not worried about eating or sex. To each their own.  :thumbup:


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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: Darkcloud]
    #5273885 - 02/07/06 03:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

The Huichol Indians abstain from sex even today during their pilgrimage to Wirikuta to pick the sacred Peyote. My Lady and I do not indulge the sexual energy which may arise at the outset of an entheogenic excursion because it is fleeting. Soon, the energy begins to rise to and pool in the Solar Plexus Center which then needs to be coaxed up and out to higher Centers with a few Hatha Yoga asanas and/or pranayamas. Our goal is to experience the higher Centers more fully and not involve the sexual Center until we 'come down' into our bodies and lower Centers at the end. We are not feeling particularly erotic anyway at 'lift-off' even if the sexual Center is lit up.


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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5275842 - 02/07/06 11:49 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Because they feel that their entire organism is making love to the physical enviroment, it is not concentrated in the genital area.

I don't think sex is an "abstraction". Whatever transcendence you speak of is just as much as one. Love making and childbirth bear resemblance to the big bang, exploding out of the present.

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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: rfus80]
    #5276733 - 02/08/06 09:54 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

As a neo-shaman, I do fast on certain high days. I also try to abstain from ejaculation altogether. Why do we do this? Because of the body's energy circuits. If you look into it, 9/10 male human religious figures (a.k.a.Jesus, Buddha, etc...) are thought of as being celibate.

This coincides with the belief that men exude energy, whilst women draw theres from outside sources. Ever notice that men usually wanna fall asleep after sex, while alot of women get a energy rush and clean the house or something?

When a man denies himself of ejaculation, he allows the energy to travel througout the body, rather than having it stop at the groin chakra. The main role of a shaman is to become one with nature, but yet elevate himself past the animalistic behavior of the wild, and to connect with the green world.

How many beliefs share the statement, "To discipline thy body is to feed thy soul"?

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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: FungusMan]
    #5277026 - 02/08/06 11:16 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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This coincides with the belief that men exude energy, whilst women draw theres from outside sources. Ever notice that men usually wanna fall asleep after sex, while alot of women get a energy rush and clean the house or something?





Something from my notes:



http://www.antiaging.com/cyberhealth/CyberHealth_21.html

III. THE ROLE OF OXYTOCIN

A fourth "love" chemical that plays a very important and wonderful part in relationships is oxytocin ? a peptide composed of nine amino acids. It is responsible for stimulating uterine contractions during birth, triggering the "let-down" reflex during nursing, and giving new moms that mothering, nurturing feeling towards their baby. However, it also plays a very important role in romantic love.

Often called the "cuddling chemical," oxytocin makes both men and women calmer and more sensitive to the feelings of others. Cuddling and calming are actually Phase II of oxytocin?s effect. Phase I is its power to arouse. In women it signals orgasm by stimulating uterine contractions. Women may be more capable of having multiple or whole-body orgasms as a result of oxytocin overload. In men, moderate concentrations of oxytocin facilitate both erection and ejaculation. Its production is cued by a lover?s voice, a gentle touch, a familiar fragrance, or a certain look. The more partners touch one another, especially the breasts, the more oxytocin is produced resulting in increased arousal and a better likelihood of achieving orgasm.

Other oxytocinogenous zones are the earlobes, lips and nose. Following the ecstasy, oxytocin promotes the desire to cuddle and may even play a role in inducing high quality REM sleep. (Personally, I think oxytocin is a bit sexist ? it makes women want to cuddle and men want to sleep!)


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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: Booby]
    #5278022 - 02/08/06 03:25 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

wow! what an old thread but thanks for dragging it up, some great stuff in there. That stuff about oxytocin is fascinating, explains alot of things!

i always wonder with my partner, like i dont really think about em when hes away, but once hes physically around again its like oh yeah i really like you... probably cuz im getting the chemicals then.

I also noted after cuddling/sex i have some crazy fun dreams...

coolness.


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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5278512 - 02/08/06 05:36 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

This is an Old thread?

Oh, so it is.


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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: Booby]
    #5282747 - 02/09/06 05:52 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I liked it.


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Re: Why do shaman's abstain from sex and other things? [Re: NewAgeDiciple]
    #5283063 - 02/09/06 07:19 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

The answer is simply purity. The more thought thrown to the wind, the closer you are.


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