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#1669317 - 06/28/03 11:29 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just went outside and murdered a family of wasps. Sure I could've transported them somewhere else, but this was alot of wasps. None of them even stood a chance, they all just fled from the human boy who practices sword fighting 3 hours a day. Probably just thinking about the kids in their nest, then trying to sting me. I always feel bad about killing crap, but I know it needs to go. Ever been walking along on a rainey day and stepped on a snail? In all technicallity, slugs are the biggest cactus pest of all. But no, he wasnt doing anything wrong at the time, just was a lil too small and not fast enough, and I fucking crushed him alive : (
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#1669477 - 06/28/03 12:30 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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#1669512 - 06/28/03 12:59 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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just was a lil too small and not fast enough, and I fucking crushed him alive : (
that's what keeps 'em big and fast. you were an agent of natural selection.
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#1669518 - 06/28/03 01:04 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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You said the magic word: pests
Those fuckers deserve to die. 
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#1669693 - 06/28/03 03:01 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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They don't market Raid for nothing.
Although if I find spiders in my house, I let them go about their business as they are sorta like the bounty hunters in the magical world known as my home.
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#1669741 - 06/28/03 03:27 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Right.. but when the spider is near your terarium.. I don't think you won't care about it  ...
I used to have a spider in my room for a long time.. I played with him also.. gave him a name and so on..
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#1669939 - 06/28/03 05:39 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I first started to see a couple ants in my room, I was merciful and let them live.
so what happens? They lay all their scents and I start getting swarmed with them. Every time i look at the floor, I start seeing 3 or 4 ants scurrying around.
I was pissed, and went on a killing spree. crushing every ant I saw. I probably racked up near 30 frags or so... now they are very scarce again.. I guess they got the message...
one may be helpless against a human, but they have no problem in driving you crazy if you give them the freedom too.
why not just share your crumbs of food with them? sorry my standard of living is not changing for them. they can find plenty of food outside if they want.
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#1669942 - 06/28/03 05:40 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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i did however feel a little ache in my heart for each one i destroyed... they are in fact, living beings.
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#1669984 - 06/28/03 06:09 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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#1670064 - 06/28/03 07:01 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Even when i was young i couldn't just hurt things or kill with no reason. Ive never really understood killing for sport. Killing for food was the only reason why i would say kill a dear.
As for "pests", ive done my pest saluatering before, but unless its nessisary, im a friend to the animal kingdom.
some times i do have remorse.
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#1670076 - 06/28/03 07:07 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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one time when i was little i got a bb gun for xmas and i took it outside when my parents weren't home and shot a little birdie on my mom's feeder (it was a chickadee actually) and it fell on the deck and laid there dead in a little pool of its own blood.
i felt so bad. 
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#1670082 - 06/28/03 07:10 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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you guys really feel regret for killing bugs?
do you mourn when you take antibiotics?
or when you take a shower? killing many living things in the process?
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#1670156 - 06/28/03 07:54 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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We have a choice to kill an insect or allow it to live. To take a shower or defend our own survival with antibiotics is beyond a reasonable attentiveness to the sanctity of life.
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#1670246 - 06/28/03 08:41 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Antibiotics and burgers were pretty dead no matter what you did, but crushing bugs for the fuck of it is diffrent. You take a shitload of bug-lives just to make yourself feel more comfortable with where you're sitting at the time? If theres a pill bug, pick it up and chunk it across the street. Does he really gotta die just cause he walked in plain view of a human?
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#1670263 - 06/28/03 08:51 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel bad about killing most bugs, but I have no remorse for misquitoes, flies, ticks, or other extremely parasitic beings. At my work we do alot of digging in the dirt, and there are always tons of worms that are unfortunately unearthed or sometimes cut in half by a spade or shovel. I feel bad for them, and try to put them in a safe place when I get the chance but sometimes I just feel to tired and just leave them there. Also, sometimes some really nasty bugs get dug up, like grubs and such. They gross me out to much to care for them. I also went veggie for a while, but I just got to hungry and craved meat so much I just felt like I had to eat it.
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#1670318 - 06/28/03 09:27 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Look for the coloring Carmine in your foods. Know what it is made from? Crushed beetles. I shit you not - search google for it ("carmine food color").
Funnily, it is often listed as a "natural flavoring".
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#1670319 - 06/28/03 09:27 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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They prolly have a fucking tough life. And if it makes a diffrence to anyone, being an ant and being senselessly half-crushed to death along with like 17 of your peers and left to suffer and die is a tough existance. Ants do care for eachother, I see them dragging their injured away all the time. Have you no shame human?! Do they not feel pain? Do they not feel fear when they run from you? I'm positive they do.
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#1670383 - 06/28/03 10:04 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, but compassion only runs so deep when it comes to bugs. I don't like to kill ants, they aren't really mean animals in my opinion. I don't kill bee's or shit like that either, they aren't bad if you leave them alone. I just hate purely parasitic and disease spreading bugs, who give nasty bites and just make the summer suck. As for other bugs, I often kill them by accident. I sometimes feel bad but it happens so much that its hard to care all the time. One thing I hate is seeing those worms get cut in half. They're half thats left bends like the other half is still there, its kind of pathetic looking.
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#1670404 - 06/28/03 10:13 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude, the fact that bugs are so easy to kill makes up half the cool-factor of them. They fit the term 'biological robots' much more closely than mammals AND THEY LACK CUTENESS. But they make up for their lack of cuteness in pure badassery.
I bet cuteness is what seperates the people who feel sorry for killing bugs and others who take a leg off just to see the bugger twitch. If I felt some type of true empathy for a writhering bug, i'd probably be more hesitent in crushing it. But right now, if i decide not to kill a bug it's probably because i just think it's cool to look at.
You could even look at this ability to empathize to measure the capacity for cruelty and violence in a person. I, for instance, have no problem killing a scorpion or praying mantis (they could get pretty graphic at dieing too.), but when killing starts getting into mammals i'll start to get wierd. The only time i think someone really feels empathy is if the animal/bug start to show some human reactions. If i tore a leg off a cricket, all it would do is spasm everywhere like an epileptic. Big deal. Now if i began torturing a mouse, it would make this pitable little high pitch sound that would make me wish to kill it and get it over with. The more complex i assume an animals thoughts to be, the more i start to feel guilty about actually killing it. But generally, i dont have problems killing small mammals quickly.
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#1670422 - 06/28/03 10:24 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn, your cold. Hmm, I think the biggest thing I've ever killed was a hermit crab (I was a little kid, poured hot water on it because I thought, as a tropical creature, it would enjoy it). I've never made roadkill, as hard as those squirrels may try to get under my tires. Seeing any type of pain in a living thing gives me the creeps. But I still like boxing for some reason..... I always feel bad for the loser though, hehe.
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#1670504 - 06/28/03 11:22 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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i only kill bugs that pose a threat:
-wasps
-spiders
-unknown creepy looking insects
etc
i let the silverfish live, theyve never fucked with me.
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I didn't give a shit about animals when I was a kid. I harassed my dog, i shot birds and rats from afar with pellet guns.
then one day there was this big rat up by my house eating some thrown out food, and I shot it right in the backside. it just began rolling around on the ground in obvious pain and disorientation.. I was horrified. i'd never actually seen an animal's reaction up close before.
I felt it's pain, and I think I clubbed it to death with my gun, but I don't entirely remember... but I do remember that moment when I became aware of the animal's life, and I've really gained a certain love and respect for all animals ever since.
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If you kill animals you have to objectify them in order to feel no pain, so to speak. I used to shoot rabbits that got into my folk's garden where they grew half our food (the garden was fenced off, but occasionally the furry bastards would breach it in some ingenious manner; we'd plug it, but then there'd be two or three left inside happily eating lettuce.)
If you approach the rabbit as competition for your food, and as food in and of itself (I'd usually skin and cook them) then no problem. But once you start to empathize with them, it becomes a horrible experience.
Correct my background specifics if you know better on the following. The government at some point in the 70s (I think) released a rabbit plague (mixie) that was meant to wipe out the population (not sure if they did it in the US or not) , except it didn't quite work and thus the plague would come and go in waves.
One year there'd be happy healthy rabbits all over, the next year half of them would be lame and blind with this horrible disease, the following year there'd be no rabbits...and the cycle would repeat. The rabbits with the plague were really in a horrific state so we'd shoot them if we saw them to put them out of their misery. One time I didn't have my gun, but came across one of these rabbits on the road. It was blind, lame, twitching, and had grey pus seeping from every opening on its face; it was obviously in pain, and confused. It heard me approach, and tried to run down the road - but it was evidently new to its blindness, or so disorientated otherwise by the disease, that it would bump into things. I walked up behind it, grasped it firmly by its back legs and whacked it neck first into a fencepoast . It didn't die.
It started squealing in terror. I whipped it back, and slammed its head back into the post. Again, it was still alive, and whimpering. Third time I put him on the road, and crunched his skull with a rock.
Trust me, not fun.
Anyway, I just wanted to point out that if you got into an animal's pain to that extent every time you inadvertently hurt or killed one, you wouldn't be able to live with yourself. What about every bug that splats onto your windscreen, and careens off into the field to die slowly and twitching spasmodically in mortal terror?
There is a holy order in India who supposedly aim to harm nothing - no insect, anything - and will allow e.g. wild tigers to kill them, rather than fight back. Their reputation is one of total enlightenment...I'm sure somebody can supply the name of their group. But could any of us realistically live in such a manner?
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#1670797 - 06/29/03 02:02 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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i can never kill anything.. as far as "pests" are concerned. i just transport them to other parts of my house, because if i put them outside they may freeze to death or something. i dont see the point in killing spiders or insects. and i feel sad that people kill them without any thought. (or with thought but not the GOOD kind, yes, there is GOOD kind, and there is sickening kind) that people lack the capacity of understanding to see themselves in the lil fellers.. there is no such thing as "intellect", and to kill a "pest", or even label it as such shows fear, not power. there was a wasp nest on my deck last summer, they never bothered me. never bit me. and much to my surprise, they really adore steak!! some of them just sit and eat it, and others fly "woozy" style with big hunks back to their hive.. i remember the joy i felt in watching them enjoy their "meal".. anyone who elevates themselves above "lesser life forms" is... dumb
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Are you vegan?
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"anyone who elevates themselves above "lesser life forms" is... dumb"
so, if army ants invade your home by the hundreds, you plan to co-exist? yeah right, non-violence is ideal, but not practical, when push comes to shove, you gotta lay and die or shove back.
fuck ghandi, dont even get me started.
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i live in an area where there are many good trout streams, people come here specifically to fish. at was at one of them one day and 2 girls were fishing, one caught a fish, and the method they used to kill it was to drop a rock onto its head.. it took about 3 blows or so, and the blood it did gush. i told them that if they DID want to take it and keep it and eat it that they should just string it up and leave it out of the water; then its like going to sleep for the fish rather than a crude object being smashed against their head. but they didnt seem to care. they pretended like they did but as i was driving away i saw them once again dropping their rocks.. i used to "fish". until this one time many years ago when i "snagged" a very young fish, caught him right in the eye. (or her) and theres no sport in that. it was just something i had been raised to do.. we can be squashed at any time as easily as a spider or ant. and we ARE NOT at the top of the "food chain".. regardless as much as some of us PREFER to "think".
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Quote:
anyone who elevates themselves above "lesser life forms" is... dumb
... we ARE NOT at the top of the "food chain".. regardless as much as some of us PREFER to "think".
OK, but do you hold human life to be equal to, say, a chicken's? And what is your position on lions killing antelopes? Should we protest?
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gedezia, of course we are at the top of the food chain, superior...maybe not, but the food chain, yes.
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We might look like the top of A food chain, but I assure you our species is at the mercy of micro-organisms. Not only can we not kill them with our bare hands, they can kill us on a level that we cant even see or fix. THEY are the true pests.
Ants just walk places and bite. So what if they took over your house, you're out alot of money? Atleast they didnt rush at your family killing people like you do to them! he threatened you with a bite on the arm, not to be crushed into a giant pile of goo for the fuck of it. It WAS a living thing, that felt pain, happiness, and terror.
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yeah, but our science is so advanced that we can kill them if enough pressure is put on the government.
virus's aint shit. ants feel pain, happiness and terror?
is that factually based, or just your own opinion?
ants cant feel shit, they are communist slaves. Whenever I find an ant, i take him as far as I can from his point of origin, maybe then he will be free from the terror that his totalitarian monarchy imposes on him.
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I see them carry their injured away!!! They are fully freaking aware of what happened. I havent the science to back up that their nerve endings feel pain, but theres no reason to assume it doesnt! There ARE definatly nerve endings there. How else does its legs move? Their antenae are nothing but nerve endings, very sensitive ones. This isnt a single celled amoeba. Its a small thing, like a crab, or a turtle, or a mouse.
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#1671148 - 06/29/03 09:11 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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that is meaningless, its all for more reproduction and expansion, another individual ant is just an extension of the queen.
the only ants with self-awareness are those that abandon the hive.
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So we've established that you dont think it's life was worth anything, cause it never would've done anything signifigant with its life. I hope you do something cool with your life before your crushed flat by some asshole that could care less : P
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mmmm yeah, right, my posts are not abstract art, so they do not warrant an abstract interpretation.
I was arguing that self-consciousness is important in order for an animal to have feelings, you on the other hand are freely disseminating your propaganda of opinion.
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By saying something hurtful to someone, thats causing more internal pain than an ant can even began to comprehend. Ants and other hive type bugs gladly through there lives away to protect the greater good of the hive. Like AFS said, they are just an extension of the queen. Bee's will sting a person that they perceive as a threat, even if it will surely kill them. They are no where near on the same level of feeling and conciousness as we are. I still would rather not kill them, because I don't like to kill.
"Ants just walk places and bite. So what if they took over your house, you're out alot of money? Atleast they didnt rush at your family killing people like you do to them! he threatened you with a bite on the arm, not to be crushed into a giant pile of goo for the fuck of it. It WAS a living thing, that felt pain, happiness, and terror. "
In areas where army ants are common, they often times swarm peoples houses and kill everything in sight. I've read and heard of several stories where an infant was left alone in its crib, and ants came into the crib and stript every piece of flesh off the baby. Ants would kill you with little to know reason if they could, its the nature of most living things. They kill anything that is tasty or threatening. Don't act like we are the evilest species on the face of the earth, we are just like any other living thing, just smart enough to argue about it.
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Extentions of the queen? These are newborn toddler boys finding food for mom. They have exactly the mentality of a grabby human child, except with alot more fear. And when they die, I highly doubt nature has taken it upon herself to make sure they feel no pain. That doesnt make for good evolution in moving creatures. They bleed, suffer, and pray to die when you squash them. They arent an incredible loss to the gene pool, nor are they worth more or less than any other animal, but it really is awful is my point. I'm positive they are fully feeling beings like all the other animals.
But yes, none the less, they cannot function in a human society. I DO understand what you guys are saying, cause I am still killing the wasps around my house, but I would still say they suffer way more than humans. Cockroaches live for almost 2 days with 70% of their body crushed. Thats like being a hit and run victim and sitting on the grill of someone's car for a weekend....
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#1671444 - 06/29/03 12:33 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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"I highly doubt nature has taken it upon herself to make sure they feel no pain"
what???? if nature had any ounce of intelligence, then it would obviously give ants immunity from pain, because it serves no purpose in their existance, it would only hinder them from helping the community.
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Exactly. But, I can honestly say she didnt.
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
#1671468 - 06/29/03 12:47 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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so, id like to see the results from the extensive research you did that allowed you to understand the feelings of ants.
or are you on some zhuangzi type-shit? (the happiness of fish...)
even if you are, zhuangzi's theories are purely philosophical and have nothing to do with biology.
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Their antenae are nothing but nerv endings. You expect me to believe that when you tear off a leg, they feel nothing? Its really dumb to say they cant feel, that roach I just smashed 30% of ran away in pain and fear.
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#1671638 - 06/29/03 02:28 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know ants can feel pain the same way I know snakes feel pain. They writhe in pain when stuck with a needle. The expression might not be visible to you, but I dont think you're looking very hard : P
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#1671721 - 06/29/03 03:23 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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i know what you mean...hah i always feel bad for killing bugs and stuff too
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: soylent_green]
#1671945 - 06/29/03 05:25 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whats the point of being a vegetarian?. Please someone tell me I really really want to know! I hope a vegan answers this plz oh plz!
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: bandaid]
#1671949 - 06/29/03 05:33 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I stopped eating meat for about a year because I did not think it was right to kill fully conscious mammals in great masses to feed people. It's pretty simple I guess. Oh, by the way, while I was the last few new posts an ant crawled between my toes, which made me flinch and crush it.
"Their antenae are nothing but nerv endings. You expect me to believe that when you tear off a leg, they feel nothing? Its really dumb to say they cant feel, that roach I just smashed 30% of ran away in pain and fear. "
Ants have no nerve endings in there exoskeleton. They have 2 brains, eye-like organs, and eardrums. There antenae are the only way to can feel things. They have no sense of pain. That a creature could run off with 30% of its body destroyed and continue to function is proof enough that it doesn't have any sense of pain. Species that do feel pain go into shock when receiving such painful injuries.
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: Gixxer_boy]
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I really miss the simplicity, could be that Im just dumb, but could you explain why its wrong to kill animals for food? and why its ok to kill not-so-conscious beings?.
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#1672072 - 06/29/03 07:01 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have been a vegiterian for 8 years and its just wrong to kill an animal for food. There is plenty of other sources for the human species why else are our teeth not sharp like other preditors meat eaters.
Not forgetting the unkown amounts of chemicles and other stuff that is fed and injected in to the animals. Which is polluting the food chain anyway.
Then there is viruses and other shit that is crossing over the species barrier. Natures way of telling us somthing ?
Insects though especialy ants act on the hive mentality which are all linked though a chemicle like mini internet. Which means they are all extensions of the queen which makes them just drones. Its almost like natures robots.
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#1672094 - 06/29/03 07:16 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya I keep hearing "its just wrong" but Id like if one of you could explain it.
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#1672146 - 06/29/03 07:42 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm vegetarian because I believe it is a healthier way to live. I would raise my own animals and eat them if I had land and time because I like meat. But I don't like what the industrialized process does to the animals, and I believe that the industrialized meat and other animal products are full of things which really aren't that healthy to eat (hormones, bacteria, preservatives, etc). .
That said, I don't get why people believe it is wrong to kill animals, but are quite happy to eat vegetables. Don't plants have consciousness? If you attach an EEG meter to a plant's leaves, and burn it once, you'll get a big pulse through the meter. After that even lighting a match next to it without burning it is enough to get a response. There's some kind of basic aversion to pain, which in itself boils down to an aversion to disruption of the nervous system.
IMO by living we are harming other creatures, and causing an end to other life, on a constant basis. We can either accept this and move on, or stay locked in a dark room (don't want to risk burning those moths!) and starve to death.
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#1672169 - 06/29/03 07:52 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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"I really miss the simplicity, could be that Im just dumb, but could you explain why its wrong to kill animals for food? and why its ok to kill not-so-conscious beings?."
i dont think the act of killing a animal is bad, but being completely disconnected from the process, and letting a faceless industry deconstruct industry-raised animals for you on a mass scale is kind of gross. and anyways, red meat is totally unhealthy, as is any over-consuption of mammal meat.
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: bandaid]
#1672175 - 06/29/03 07:53 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ants are beautiful. They wordlessly gather around pieces of food and carry it off. How many animals work together like that?!
I found a bunch of PETA websites, and This website (which I decided is the best source I visited sadly enough) in my favor, and none in favor of the idea that insects are incapable of feeling pain :P Germany even seems to have a law protecting ants like dogs and cats. You have to get permits to move the ant pile into the woodlands :P
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
#1672236 - 06/29/03 08:19 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its very easy to violate something's (or someone's) rights if they can't communicate their displeasure of it to you in a way that you understand.
I don't kill insects for no reason, but if theres some wasps or something threatening my person, then I'll decimate their asses without hesitating.
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: somebodyelse]
#1672254 - 06/29/03 08:23 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok sorry I should have explained things better but I was slight tripping.
A fully consciousness being should have equal rights to any human being. Becuase as a species we should be trying to transcend beyond our animal instincts for eating meat and causing suffering to that animal.
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That said, I don't get why people believe it is wrong to kill animals, but are quite happy to eat vegetables. Don't plants have consciousness ?
True but they don't have the same type of consciousness as a animal. Do vegetables scream at night when there friends are being cooked ? Thats like saying a microbe has the same type of consciousness as a human being.
Also why would we think killing a cow is ok for food but most of us would probably not be to impressed with Dolphin meat and why arnt cat or dogs processed as food in the western world. I think we put diffrent standars on diffrent beings just cos a cow aint soft or cuddley we make it food.
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#1672271 - 06/29/03 08:30 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am speaking about biology. They're nervous systems are not advanced enough to feel pain. Now, what they actually feel, like fear, happiness, etc. I don't think anyone could understand.
As for not eating meat, I stopped but I just craved meat to much to keep it up. Maybe I'll be a vegetarian later on in life, but as it is now I have no way to have a healthy well balanced diet without meat. I think killing any type of animal is wrong, but people still do it. I'm not saying I kill every ant I see because they are annoying, but if I step on one I'm not gonna cry about it. I think hunting is gross and wrong. Theres already so much meat going around now, why kill innocent deers or whatever cause you enjoy killing things? I also think slaughter houses are disgusting and wrong, but don't see any way they could be stopped in the near future. I am against any killing, but I guess I believe in the food chain in some ways. I think the life of a mammal is worth more than all the bugs in world, while a humans life is worth more than a dogs or a horses, but that doesn't mean any lives should be overlooked.
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: EvilGir]
#1672277 - 06/29/03 08:31 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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"I think we put diffrent standars on diffrent beings"
Exactly. Then why don't you consider the plant consciousness (whatever that is) as deserving of life as the animal consciousness? Like I said in a post earlier, its very easy to mistreat something that can't communicate its pain. Does that pain not exist because it can't be communicated? Not in your subjective reality, of course.
I think compassion is the key to the treatment of animals, not some uber-ideal like "The path to Nirvana is by not eating meat". I would never kill an animal just for the sack of the act, but I will eat meat in order to sustain my body. Animals eat the food that they are naturally inclined to eat, and I, am an animal. Ya dig? Peace.
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#1672344 - 06/29/03 08:58 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think the life of a mammal is worth more than all the bugs in world, while a humans life is worth more than a dogs or a horses
But still how many people risk there lifes to save their pets ?
But with all our mordern technology there is now enough nutrition in vegetarian foods without the need to kill. Also doesn't meat causes agression ect which cant be to good to transcend.
Oh well guess in the end its just personnel choice, I guess without free will where would we be ? Peace
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: EvilGir]
#1672405 - 06/29/03 09:19 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know people who have spent thousands of dollars they didn't have to give there pets surgery. Some people will sacrifice there well-being for animals, some won't. As for the meat thing, yeah, I agree with you. I don't think anyone should eat meat, but I only do it because I would have to change not eat meat.
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: EvilGir]
#1672411 - 06/29/03 09:22 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Arent their laws governing cruelty to the killings of animals in slaughter houses?. If they are killed instantly or killed with some type of gas that makes them euphoric it can be argued that they have a much better life, constant food and not having to die a more painfull death in the wild.
If you ask me Id prefer to be safely stuffed in a cage with constant euphoric drugs and given an easy death instead of having to worry about disease related deaths ect. I dont share the same "meaning" that most people do in life, I see meaning soley as the purpose to make you feel emotionaly good, only when you start to loose that you go back into the scientific meaning of things to tackle the next reason for your suffering, call me crazy thats just me.
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: chunder]
#1672795 - 06/30/03 12:14 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think it's much better to eat the bodies of dead animals than to just let them rot away, or to not allow animals to exist at all. I love animals, both in the wild, in a barnyard, and on my dinner plate.
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#1672896 - 06/30/03 01:44 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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jezu: True but they don't have the same type of consciousness as a animal. Do vegetables scream at night when there friends are being cooked ?
id like to see a list of how many insects have the ablity to scream.
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Theres a rather large Nadagascarian screeching cockroach.
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
#1673889 - 06/30/03 12:04 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm vegan and I don't kill any household pests on purpose. I know that there's nothing I can do about stepping on a few ants or anything like that, but I can make a conscious effort not to kill things. It's a good way to live I think, not doing any physical harm to any living creature intentionally.
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: salviadog]
#1674849 - 06/30/03 06:43 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wait wait wait.
Whoever said that ants carrying off their 'injured comrades' are taking them off to heal them?
...I think their buddies are just becoming part of dinner. XP
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: RuNE]
#1675218 - 06/30/03 09:05 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very possibly... I just wanted to point out they generally acknowledge what happened....
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: Gixxer_boy]
#1704574 - 07/11/03 12:12 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I used to take my fish out of the tank for 5 to 10 minutes and see how long they could be out while still being able to revive them with a 9-volt battery. If I just put them in the water, they would not breath on their own. It took an electric shock to get them to start breathing. Sometimes if they were out of the water for a really long time, they'd swim funny forever after that. Other times I fed them shrooms, cough syrup and morning glory seeds (force fed). I have no regret and still feel amused at these acts.
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: Phencyclidine]
#1704761 - 07/11/03 01:13 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those things ARE amusing though. I think gixxer is talking about getting your jollies on burying kittens alive.
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Re: Regret for killing household pests : ( [Re: David_Scape]
#1704766 - 07/11/03 01:15 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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wait a minute...nope. Im wrong, he's talking about some insects.
but...should'nt I have been right?
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