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Are you capable of killing?
    #3352469 - 11/12/04 05:40 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

In what circumstance other than war/self-defense would you consider taking another's life?


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3352481 - 11/12/04 05:42 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I don't kill bugs, let's put it that way :wink:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: deff]
    #3352491 - 11/12/04 05:44 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

In what circumstance other than war/self-defense would you consider taking another's life?

maybe a close friend that would have terminal cancer, and in much pain.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: spudamore]
    #3352521 - 11/12/04 05:50 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Other than war? Would a rebellion be counted as a war? If not, I couldn't kill another person unless they were a direct threat to my life.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: spudamore]
    #3352541 - 11/12/04 05:53 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

maybe a close friend that would have terminal cancer, and in much pain.

If you were a "true" friend you would take their life before the emotional shock of diagnosis and physical pain set in. Prevention is where it's at.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3352582 - 11/12/04 06:00 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i might once have killed a fly!  :eek:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3352592 - 11/12/04 06:04 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

If you were a "true" friend you would take their life before the emotional shock of diagnosis and physical pain set in. Prevention is where it's at.

what makes you say that for???

isn't it best to let a person live as much as possible until the physical pain is a hinderence on their life???

have you have anybody close have cancer???


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: spudamore]
    #3352602 - 11/12/04 06:07 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

pain is never a hinderance per se, just a difference in reality

if you can't make peace of any situation, then you're never truly at peace :cool:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: spudamore]
    #3352609 - 11/12/04 06:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

And YOU decide when they have had enough pain? As soon as your friend moans do you pounce on him with a pillow?


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3352622 - 11/12/04 06:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Swami, I think the idea was that the friend in question would have requested it.

I could be wrong, though.

As for my response: Similar to deff's, I don't even like to kill bugs. I do kill mosquitos, though.. because they carry diseases that I'm really not too keen on catching.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: deff]
    #3352627 - 11/12/04 06:11 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

so i can break numerous bones in your body, and thats not going to have a hinderence on your life?


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3352636 - 11/12/04 06:12 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

This is something I don't think I'll ever know if/until I am faced with a situation where I have to decide. I think I would kill in self-defense, if there was no where I could run, but even that idea gives me a mild queasy feeling.

Actually, no. I don't think I would be capable of killing anyone unless my life was in immediate danger by a specified person. Even then, I think I would save the kill for the LAST thing I try. I'd like to think I'd just incapacitate the person in a way so as to NOT kill them...but being a small guy means I don't have much chance of doing that.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: spudamore]
    #3352644 - 11/12/04 06:13 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

And YOU decide when they have had enough pain? As soon as your friend moans do you pounce on him with a pillow?


so sorry for not being specific.. please point out where i said i decide that i think that they have had enough...


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: trendal]
    #3352648 - 11/12/04 06:14 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Indeed, Tren.. a wise man once said... "Aim for the leg."


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: trendal]
    #3352649 - 11/12/04 06:14 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

""so i can break numerous bones in your body, and thats not going to have a hinderence on your life? ""

is change a hinderence? :P


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Gomp]
    #3352655 - 11/12/04 06:15 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

if it slows down or prevents you from living


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3352669 - 11/12/04 06:18 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I would kill for food. Or if someone was pissing me off.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3352674 - 11/12/04 06:18 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Do you wait UNTIL the mosquito resquests that you kill it?

What if the friend is delerious or emotionally distraught at the time? What if the friend is incapable of speaking? More importantly, what if he/she wasn't
really
that good of a friend and you are in his/her will?


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3352691 - 11/12/04 06:22 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I think these questions are subjective and cannot be answered without a specific situation being at hand.

I would use my best judgement. If I could not be sure that it was truly their wish, I don't think I would do it.

There's a good chance I couldn't do it anyway, even if I was positive that it was truly their wish. I was just trying to clarify someone ELSE's response.

And no, I don't wait until the mosquito requests it.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3352722 - 11/12/04 06:31 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

So because the mosquito has a slight possibility of carrying a disease that's usually very harmless (for folks our age), you deem it's life is worth killing?

To me, the act of killing a mosquito poses a much greater danger to it's life than that of them passing on an overhyped disease to us.

So if anything, maybe mosqitoes should kill us in self defense, under that logic?

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: deff]
    #3352750 - 11/12/04 06:37 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Sure, why not.

I don't feel the need to validate my actions to you. :smile: I'm content with myself on the basis that I limit my killing to one very annoying species.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3352772 - 11/12/04 06:41 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Heh, never meant to 'force' validation.

Just offering a different view on the situation :smile:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: deff]
    #3352791 - 11/12/04 06:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Indeed you were. :smile:

I've come a long way (atleast I think so) from the days when I killed any kind of bug I found inside.

(I'm not really a.. bug person..)  :eek:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3352808 - 11/12/04 06:48 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think I would have a problem killing a spammer, solicitor or cold caller.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3352866 - 11/12/04 07:02 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Really? Heh.

If you're kidding, then I certainly can relate.. but if you mean that seriously, you must have had a LOT more soliciting calls than I've had over the years. (Then again, i don't answer my phone unless I recognize the caller ID number)


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3353059 - 11/12/04 07:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Killing is wrong in any situation, even self defense or retaliation.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3353079 - 11/12/04 07:58 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think "self-defense" and "retaliation" should even be in the same sentence. I consider there to be a world of difference between the two. (I'm, of course, assuming that the self-defense killing would be enacted only in absolute necessity, and that some other mode of disabling the attacker could not be enacted.)


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3353093 - 11/12/04 08:00 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I never killed anyone. I once was going to. had a good reason I thought. But I jsut couldn't see risking a lifetime behind jail. The idea of killing is a easy one for me. It is the rewards of murder that bother me.

I seen a man killed right in front of my eyes. My friend is driving and we get bumped into at a stop light from behind. So my friend get out and starts talking. The other guy is yelling and screaming. So my friend tries to back up and get out of his face but the guy just keeps getting into his face.

SO my friend kinda runs to the front of his car and asks the guy to calm down. No way the guy swings on my friend. So my friend just grabs this guys head and slams it down on the corner of his front fender. Teeth and blood squirt all aross the hood. If that isn't bad enough my friend has gone into Psycho mode. He keeps slamming this mans face into his car fender. Now after about 7-8 face plants the guys skull starts to come apart.

OK IT IS TIME TO GET OUT OF THE CAR AND STOP MY FRIEND. :rolleyes:

By the time I get him to stop the guy is very dead. We jump into the car and speed off. I was very disturbed for many months. My friend started drinking heavy. He ended up blowing his brains out a few years later.

Taking a mans life is a very hard thing to do. Unless your crazy.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3353103 - 11/12/04 08:03 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Damn.. harsh story.

Was any of that ever reported? I mean, I guess it's irrelevant since they both ended up dead, but shit...


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3353119 - 11/12/04 08:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Na this is the life and times of growing up in the suburbs of Detroit.

Plus my friend was a Biker from a very nasty bike club. I feel somewhat fortunate for such an experience.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3353126 - 11/12/04 08:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sure you learned something from it, as most negative experiences tend to teach us something..


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3353127 - 11/12/04 08:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

hum, just remeberd a spontaneous kill of a mice in a footstep in deep snow at work once, still got nothing on it, feels empty. it happened, but.. see, if the thing just had lost it kids, had a broken leg and was starved, i could may have done it a favor, and then again. it could be horrible. guess it subconsciously could have thought me a lesson and two about living,hehe I 'ramble', good night everyone! :wink:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3353135 - 11/12/04 08:14 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Damn.. harsh story.

Was any of that ever reported? I mean, I guess it's irrelevant since they both ended up dead, but shit...




There is no statute of limitation for murder.  You just admitted to watching your friend  kill and not doing anything about it, that makes you an accessory :smile:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3353137 - 11/12/04 08:14 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I learned how fragile the human skull is compared to a front fender from a 1979 Ford Fairmont.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Civ]
    #3353142 - 11/12/04 08:15 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Well mabey but it was damn near 20 years ago.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3353189 - 11/12/04 08:28 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Yeah I learned how fragile the human skull is compared to a front fender from a 1979 Ford Fairmont.




ROFL


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3353205 - 11/12/04 08:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

hey cousteau great map.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: lemon_lw]
    #3353208 - 11/12/04 08:37 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Haha.. yeah, isn't it? I stole it from someone else. :smile:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3353620 - 11/12/04 11:30 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

One time I killed a Jehovah's Witness with a hammer.
He interrupted me while I was building a bird house.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Jellric]
    #3354779 - 11/13/04 08:26 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I am capable of killing.

War, self-defense, defending family or someone else are the obvious choices.

Then there are things like killing for food or a lot of money. That would take a bit more thought and a clear "exit strategy".


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3354796 - 11/13/04 08:44 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Statement of intent: I'll try not to kill anything, plants excluded for obvious reasons.

I'm not vegetarian, so technically I suppose I'm supporting the killing of animals. So does anyone wearing leather or fur, even if they're vegetarian.

In life-threatening situations, my instincts might take over, so I can't account for their influence. To boot, I've had fits of rage in my childhood and early teens that were akin to a berserker's rage. One could say I want to draw blood in those rages, so if someone manages to piss me off now (which is significantly harder to do), I can't account for what I'll do.

Edit-in: No matter how strongly I might feel about certain ideals, I'll never kill another man to defend those ideals. I don't believe any state stands for any other ideal than financial gain and the exercise of power (and the ideals they claim to stand for are part of the program because they need the support of the masses). Life is a gift that I can't give to anyone, so there can be no justification in taking it away. Behind every pair of (living) eyes lies a soul, think about it.

As I said, I'll try not to consciously kill anything, and I've managed to refrain from killing the last six months (including mosquitos, spiders and snails). I can't account for creatures that might have been crushed under my shoes, as it's impossible to always watch the ground.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3354809 - 11/13/04 08:53 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I find this hard to believe but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Seriously, that's fucked up. You should have turned your friend in. Now you're basically a pseudo murderer since you two drove off.



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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3354821 - 11/13/04 09:03 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Alan Stone said:
Edit-in: No matter how strongly I might feel about certain ideals, I'll never kill another man to defend those ideals. I don't believe any state stands for any other ideal than financial gain and the exercise of power (and the ideals they claim to stand for are part of the program because they need the support of the masses).





I wrote this last night, seems kinda relevant:

Come let us draw lines in the sand,
and throw rocks at humans...
lay waste to the ruined...
We'll knock them down where they stand.
and make like we viewed them,
with wisdom imbued in
our hearts; as we cure idle hands.

I've heard of this ancient game.
Disguising the fact we're the same.
We'll put up a fight
and pretend we've the right
to unleash all our mis-shapen rage.

Yes, our God says your god's a fraud.
He's threatened our kingdom,
with everything he's done;
despite doing nothing at all.
A little misguidance
can go such a long way
dividing lines between us all.

I've heard it's this ancient game.
Oh, there's ways to evade the blame.
We'll take what we've no right
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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3354863 - 11/13/04 09:46 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Cool poem  :thumbup: :regularshroom:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3354865 - 11/13/04 09:51 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, you grow up with drugs,guns and street crazies. Then you can talk to me about what is right and wrong.

I am no helper in any crime. I am a survivor and a damn lucky one at that.

Life in the "ghetto", as they say, is very much different then what most of you can relate to.

I fear no man only God. And God has seen me thru this part of my life.

I am a good person that has more than made up for my past mistakes.



P.S You do not turn it any biker from the Club this guy was from. Unless you want real trouble :rolleyes:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Gomp]
    #3355039 - 11/13/04 11:45 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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i might once have killed a fly!  :eek:




~~*hellllp me hellllp me*~~

^^^^From the original fly movie with Vincent Price, i simply couldn't resist. Next time i vow to try to excercise more restraint :grin:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3355084 - 11/13/04 12:02 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I am capable of being someone else.

But thats for Swami too find out in his life quest of know how.

For he is the only one. He knows.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3356275 - 11/13/04 05:16 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Either that is a lie or you are a totally fucked up person for participating in a murder and not saying anything. That is like the guy I heard about who's friend killed a little girl in a bathroom stall and he didn't rat out his friend because it wasn't "cool".


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3356282 - 11/13/04 05:19 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I WOULD kill someone who sexually abused my kids.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3356293 - 11/13/04 05:23 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

...and possibly for food...


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Tag_Number]
    #3356469 - 11/13/04 06:07 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Tag_Number said:
I am capable of being someone else.

But thats for Swami too find out in his life quest of know how.

For he is the only one. He knows.

But shhhhh. He will not tell you.




Okaaaaaaaaay, that was creepy. Are you trying to say that swmai has multiple personality disorder and creates puppets with his other personalities and isn't aware of them?

Orrrr are you just saying, you may become capable of being a murderer and you are going to kill him then he will know your answer?


Or are you just saying you are a puppet?

What are you saying?

I'm just being ridiculous, but what was that last reply all about????


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3356562 - 11/13/04 06:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

~~*hellllp me hellllp me*~~

^^^^From the original fly movie with Vincent Price, i simply couldn't resist. Next time i vow to try to excercise more restraint


I am fairly certain the fly in the web with human head and the high-pitched voice actually said "Save me! Save me!"

If I am wrong (is that possible?), then I will buy you a drink when you come to Vegas.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3356828 - 11/13/04 07:39 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Do know I was being ridiculous as Tags reply was strange. It reminded me of this vietnam vet dude in kauai who use to say things like,

"And then the nurses with the white burlap bags will come at night to take the waitresses and then they will know"

Bless that guy I can't imagine the trauma he went through in that war to have split like he did.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3356832 - 11/13/04 07:40 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I liked your poem a lot! An ancient game, he he cool! :thumbup:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3356881 - 11/13/04 07:53 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah, you grow up with drugs,guns and street crazies. Then you can talk to me about what is right and wrong.

I am no helper in any crime. I am a survivor and a damn lucky one at that.

Life in the "ghetto", as they say, is very much different then what most of you can relate to.

I fear no man only God. And God has seen me thru this part of my life.

I am a good person that has more than made up for my past mistakes.



P.S You do not turn it any biker from the Club this guy was from. Unless you want real trouble :rolleyes:




I'm not preachin to you, brother. I'm assuming this happened a long time ago, and I'm ecstatic that you've made your peace with God since then. I just hope that you look back on this with some God given wisdom that you made a mistake back then.. you didn't kill the guy, your friend did, but had your friend been subjected to justice he may of not killed himself from the guilt. It is a sad story.. May God bless all three of you in the next life.. :sad: Your friend was obviously not a killer as a true murderer kills without repentence and remorse.. your friend was only able to reconcile his taking of a life by taking his own.. very sad.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3357070 - 11/13/04 08:37 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

when would i kill? i would kill with fucking violent joy if it was to protect my family from serious danger murder/rape. i would kill savagely to protect my own life as well. I might kill for an ideal or a group of people, or to prevent some massive catastrophe. (note about me, i probably wouldnt DIE for any ideal, but i might kill for one. )

heres an ethical conundrum, lets say some omniscient force gives you a baby boy, and says this is the child that will grow up to design the nucleur bomb that will be used to kill millions of innocent people. He wont be a bad man, but his device will be used for evil. If you kill this baby no one will ever design nucleur weapons.

would you do it?

honestly, if i truly believed what this angel thing was saying (that killing the baby would prevent thousands of men women children and babies from dieing in the future) i would think i would bring myself to throw that baby at the floor like a football after the touchdown.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3357100 - 11/13/04 08:48 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Violent joy.. spiking a baby like a football touchdown.. What an entertaining post.:lol:

Alrighty.. here's my stance:
I would kill if my own life was in true and immediate danger of another individual killing me. Kill or be killed, is how I see it.

I would kill in "violent joy" if a loved one's life of mine were in threat of another trying to kill/rape/torture them.

As far as food.. that's where it gets a little shady. I have a hard time trying kill an insect alone.. I don't even like killing spiders, I'd rather set them free outside. So as far as killing animals for food.. I think I would do it if my survival instincts overrided my normal-consciousness. But then again, maybe not...

Such a dilemma.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3357259 - 11/13/04 09:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

no. even the terms "self defence" and "war" is very edgy in my book. I think it would be appropriate when a person is under attack to still consider a person's life, like some here said "aim for the leg"


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3357272 - 11/13/04 09:30 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

The fly WAS saying "help me". That creeped out moment was indelibly imprinted on my young mind as a child.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3357449 - 11/13/04 10:41 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

There are several types of situations in which I'd kill.  I'm sure I'd find personal justification in things like vengeance, defending another, an act of mercy, for the greater good, food, and possibly money (but this is a slim chance).  There's probably other reasons, but I need to stop typing while I scratch my index finger.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3358105 - 11/14/04 01:50 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

If you're prepared to kill for something, be prepared to die for it.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3358163 - 11/14/04 02:04 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yes.

I would kill to protect my husband.

Or for food, if needed.

Beyond that, no, I try not to kill anything.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3358795 - 11/14/04 05:37 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Swami said:
~~*hellllp me hellllp me*~~

^^^^From the original fly movie with Vincent Price, i simply couldn't resist. Next time i vow to try to excercise more restraint 


I am fairly certain the fly in the web with human head and the high-pitched voice actually said "Save me! Save me!"

If I am wrong (is that possible?), then I will buy you a drink when you come to Vegas.





Well i'm ever there Swamster it would be a delight to hoist a drink in celebration of one of the rare occasions when you are/were wrong :grin: But for now all i can truthfully say that i am reasonably sure that the fly with the human head said help me and not save me although in the context of the movie and what was transpiring in that particular sequence i can see where you might have THOUGHT he said save me, save me  :tongue:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: kaiowas]
    #3359159 - 11/14/04 11:00 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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no. even the terms "self defence" and "war" is very edgy in my book. I think it would be appropriate when a person is under attack to still consider a person's life, like some here said "aim for the leg"





but what if the other person is aiming for your head?


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: wrestler_az]
    #3359186 - 11/14/04 11:15 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I would kill if it was to protect my family/friends lives.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: wrestler_az]
    #3359215 - 11/14/04 11:36 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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kaiowas said:
no. even the terms "self defence" and "war" is very edgy in my book. I think it would be appropriate when a person is under attack to still consider a person's life, like some here said "aim for the leg"





but what if the other person is aiming for your head?




Aim for the arm holding the gun, then.

No matter how you twist it, if you end up intentionally taking a life without absolute necessity it is going to eat you up inside. It's essentially back-tracking to anyone who considers them spiritually evolved to any degree.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3359530 - 11/14/04 01:25 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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No matter how you twist it, if you end up intentionally taking a life without absolute necessity it is going to eat you up inside.




I know it would for me, but I'm not sure that applies to everyone. I suppose it depends whether we have an innate knowledge/belief that killing is wrong or we learn it from our experiences. If that belief was innate then surely it would have a similar effect on anyone, but if we only learn it then I think some people wouldn't really be affected by it.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3359571 - 11/14/04 01:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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No matter how you twist it, if you end up intentionally taking a life without absolute necessity it is going to eat you up inside. It's essentially back-tracking to anyone who considers them spiritually evolved to any degree.



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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3359659 - 11/14/04 01:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

"Killing is wrong in any situation, even self defense "

interesting oppinion. what is the supporting logic sort of thing? Why is it wrong to kill to save your own life?

anyone else wanna answer my question about the nuke scientist baby?

when i say i would kill for an ideal i really mean i would kill to protect people and there right to live according to my ideals. for example i would never kill over an ideal like Jesus is lord or something but i would kill to defend the ideal like, all humans are entiteld to freedom and life... if someone was planning to implement some prison camp for blacks or something i would take a shot at him if i could.

well maybe im bullshitting, the personal risk involved in an assasination would probably make me pussy out. in fact it almost definetly would. see above part about killing for an ideal but not dieing for one.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3359670 - 11/14/04 02:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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No matter how you twist it, if you end up intentionally taking a life without absolute necessity it is going to eat you up inside.




I know it would for me, but I'm not sure that applies to everyone. I suppose it depends whether we have an innate knowledge/belief that killing is wrong or we learn it from our experiences. If that belief was innate then surely it would have a similar effect on anyone, but if we only learn it then I think some people wouldn't really be affected by it.




I suppose you are right.. I can only speak from my own perspective on this kind of matter I guess.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3359685 - 11/14/04 02:03 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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but i would kill to defend the ideal like, all humans are entiteld to freedom and life...




I hope you can see the irony of that statement, man.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3359717 - 11/14/04 02:09 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

lol now that you mention it yes i certainly can. but i guess thats kind of what this whole thread is about right?

like, killing would be justified to prevent someone killing me or my sister.

thats pretty much the same thing isnt it? killing to prevent killing?

but, the way i see it is, the initiatior or instigatior of the violence, is the one who should be subjected to that violence. The guilty (of attempted murder) should be the ones who are subjected to murder, to protect the innocent who would otherwise have sufferd?


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3359959 - 11/14/04 02:55 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

That where it gets spiritual. Someone who would go to violently attack another is acting out past rage of themselves being violently attacked. They were once 'victims' themselves. However, if someone has a gun to your kids head, you don't have time to ask them to lay on the couch and talk about their past and help them to heal it.

people who are in peace act in peace.

Did you know ALL persons in jail for violent crimes were physicaly abused as children????? that doesn't mean all kids who were physicaly abused go on to rage on others, but it does mean that all who rage on others were raged on at one point first themselves and were never taught how to heal.

How come no one was there to protect them when they were being brutalised as children? Without the transitional healing, they became the brutaliser to cope and compensate.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3359967 - 11/14/04 02:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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It's all so fucked up really.




Haha.. on my last mushroom trip, that was what I concluded after thinking about the state of the world for a while.

I was even planning to make some bumper stickers that said "It's all so fucked up" but I sobered up and decided against it for whatever reason...


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3359989 - 11/14/04 03:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I was even planning to make some bumper stickers that said "It's all so fucked up" but I sobered up and decided against it for whatever reason...

Gawd, you are SOooo negative! :shake:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3359990 - 11/14/04 03:07 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

" Someone who would go to violently attack another is acting out past rage of themselves being violently attacked."

i agree. you can never really blame someone for the way they are. even the most despicable racist redneck murderer has the roots of his personality in his genetics , environment and upbringing.

However, you still dont have to like them or the way they are, and you still have to act in whatever way is nescessitated by the way they are.

its like an "ex-friend" of mine, had such a rough childhood, and grew up to be a total miser, he freaks out if you eat a piece of his food, if he thinks you stole his lighter hell hold a grudge forever. his dad is a racist and now hes in the habit of spewing bullshit racist crap when were chilling out.

i cant blame him for being this way, but at one point i just realized 'i dont like this kid, i dont like how he acts, what he thinks, or who he is" and so i dropped him as a friend. harsh?  maybe so.


"Did you know ALL persons in jail for violent crimes were physicaly abused as children????? "

no i didnt know that ALL of them were, your saying 100%? if thats true that is a truly phenomenol thing and says some horrible stuff about our justice system. I knew a girl whose brother was sexually abused by their father for years, when he turned 18 he bought a gun, and shot his father in cold blood.

he was given the death sentance

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3360009 - 11/14/04 03:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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I was even planning to make some bumper stickers that said "It's all so fucked up" but I sobered up and decided against it for whatever reason...

Gawd, you are SOooo negative! :shake:




Negative? How so? I thought I was a pretty positive guy... *shrug* Guess you can't impress 'em all.  :smirk:


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    #3360071 - 11/14/04 03:28 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3360108 - 11/14/04 03:41 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Ya,

everyone in for violent crimes were physically abused as children. That is to say, no one who was commited of a violent crime was raised in a non violent environment.

I don't think it say anything about our justice system as much as what it says about what are acceptable forms of child rearing.

Thats what is fucked up. A parent can beat the shit out of a child and lean on religion "don't spare the rod to spoil the child" or disapline, but that same kid who learned violence is how you get your way gets locked up in jail for life.

Yo would'nt believe how many places, people and cops just look the other way saying a parent has the right to hit their own kids.


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    #3360163 - 11/14/04 03:54 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

people who are in peace act in peace.

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    #3360171 - 11/14/04 03:57 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Does it count if I have baked ants with a magnifying glass?






LMFAO man! Kick ass post! Haven't we all at some(hopefully) distant time past :grin:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3360323 - 11/14/04 04:35 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Killing is as easy as a persons lessons from childhood. I witnessed a killing and I am a bad person, some would say. Some would say a person who see death happen during war is a victim. Was I a victim or a criminal? From my point of things I was a victim.

My life until I was 16, was war. So the dealing of guilt was not the struggle. I had dealt with far greater things than seeing a man get killed. I have seen several people get blow away in broad day light. It was the struggle of how in the fuck am I going to escape this street life. That was the battle.

Remember that God himself has ordered the death of thousands of people. So the idea of my sins being such a great thing to deal with is false. And my Friend who shot himself? I guess maybe his demons were haunting him. But it was all the dope cash he owed the wrong people. His death was coming anyway. Yeah I seen him live a rotten life and do many rotten things. But who am I to judge his decisions.

The question of Killing another is a choice of death or life. Who is to say the guy my Friend killed that day would not have killed him instead? I have no idea what life that man lived. He was huge ugly nasty and street wise. I think the first thing to do was to win. His decision to keep smashing the mans skull until it crumbled was wrong. But when you live in a War zone. Death comes easy.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3360403 - 11/14/04 04:56 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

If I said that "Harleys suck!" would you have to kill me? :beatup:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3360508 - 11/14/04 05:31 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't consider that. why would I?


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: stefan]
    #3360552 - 11/14/04 05:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

"Killing is wrong in any situation, even self defense "
i agree, just becuase killing in self defence is justifiable, doesnt mean it smorally right. is your life more valuable than your attackers - to anybody but you.

anybody who eats meat is a killer, those neat little blocks of meat come from somewhere. they really should take kids to abatoirs to have a look, then they can decide. would you kill an animal yourself so that you could eat it, i think you should probably say yes if you gonna contunue eating meat. i eat meat. would those ritch bitches with their fur coats buy them if they had to club the sels to death themselves. i doubt it.

as for the idiot who would spike a babys head like it was superbowl to save a thousand lives, maybe you should do it by why would you enjot it or do it in such a way, if you acre about those lives so much why not care about the one whi si paying the highest price of all. wanker


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: kbilly]
    #3360670 - 11/14/04 06:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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as for the idiot who would spike a babys head like it was superbowl to save a thousand lives, maybe you should do it by why would you enjot it or do it in such a way, if you acre about those lives so much why not care about the one whi si paying the highest price of all. wanker




I'd do it.

Who said anything about enjoying it? Who's paying what highest price? The baby? Not saving a thousand lives is worse than killing one life.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: kbilly]
    #3360710 - 11/14/04 06:16 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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i agree, just becuase killing in self defence is justifiable, doesnt mean it smorally right




Sorry, what is the difference between justifiable and morally acceptable?


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: poke smot!]
    #3360734 - 11/14/04 06:22 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Does it count if I have baked ants with a magnifying glass?

That would be a good trick if you could do it. Baking implies convection heating, whereas a magnifying glass utilizes radiant heat.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3360744 - 11/14/04 06:24 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

If you were in an enclosed space then there would be some convection heating. So it would be partial baking. Fascist.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: deafpanda]
    #3360841 - 11/14/04 06:42 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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as for the idiot who would spike a babys head like it was superbowl to save a thousand lives, maybe you should do it by why would you enjot it or do it in such a way, if you acre about those lives so much why not care about the one whi si paying the highest price of all. wanker




I'd do it.

Who said anything about enjoying it? Who's paying what highest price? The baby? Not saving a thousand lives is worse than killing one life.




This reminds me of that Star Trek: The Next Generation episode where Picard is chewed out by an admiral for not destroying the Borg when he had a chance with Hue, the borg that began to show identity. Picard couldn't kill him due to this and let him choose as an individual to go back to the collective. The admiral said that if he had sent back Hue integrated with a program to corrupt and then kill the Borg, countless Federation lives would have been saved.

Picard seems to take the fanatically moral route in all his actions, no matter the cost. I admire him for his conviction, even though I secretly think he should have wiped out the Borg when he had a chance.



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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: MOTH]
    #3361635 - 11/14/04 10:11 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Ellemysh, I demand to know what happened to your old avatar!  :shocked:

Actually, I dig that new one too.. but the old one was just so damn cool. :wink:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3361803 - 11/14/04 10:58 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

yeah i think everyone is


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3361868 - 11/14/04 11:13 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Ellemysh, I demand to know what happened to your old avatar!  :shocked:

Actually, I dig that new one too.. but the old one was just so damn cool. :wink:




It was time for a change.  :wink:  I may be trying out several new avatars this week.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: MOTH]
    #3361980 - 11/14/04 11:41 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

"as for the idiot who would spike a babys head like it was superbowl to save a thousand lives, maybe you should do it"

thats all i was saying. You SHOULD do it, because thousands of babies died in hiroshima many of them from cancer and radiation sickness, and one death to prevent thousands is an obviously moral choice (to me)

"but why would you enjot it"

read my post, i never once said i would enjoy it. i wouldnt enjoy it it would scar me for life, but thinking of the horrible tragedy that was hiroshima (and nagasaki) and the very real risk nucleur weapons pose to LIFE ITSELF i would force myself to do it.

"or do it in such a way"

i thought that was pretty much the quickest way i could think of. theres no good way to kill a baby...

,"if you care about those lives so much why not care about the one whi si paying the highest price of all."

of course i would care. but how could i justify valueing that one babies life over the many thousands of men women children infants and housepets that would die if i DIDNT do it?




" wanker "

you let your emotions bend my words. read again with a clearer mind
if  i am a wanker, and i may be, i dont think a willingness to kill one life to save thousands is the reason why

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3362133 - 11/15/04 12:20 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Why are you replying to me?  :ooo:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: MOTH]
    #3362757 - 11/15/04 04:58 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

a player would spike a ball in the superbowl because he was ecstatic at scoring why would you feel similarly about killing a baby.
you didnt ewrite id kill the baby and feel bad, you wrote what you did.

"read again with a clearer mind"
its still says "spike a babys head like it was superbowl "
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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3362897 - 11/15/04 07:28 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Swami said:
Does it count if I have baked ants with a magnifying glass?

That would be a good trick if you could do it. Baking implies convection heating, whereas a magnifying glass utilizes radiant heat.





Well it certainly SMELLS and sounds like they are being baked, i read this in a book somewhere  :smirk:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3362931 - 11/15/04 07:54 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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wrestler_az said:
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kaiowas said:
no. even the terms "self defence" and "war" is very edgy in my book. I think it would be appropriate when a person is under attack to still consider a person's life, like some here said "aim for the leg"





but what if the other person is aiming for your head?




Aim for the arm holding the gun, then.

No matter how you twist it, if you end up intentionally taking a life without absolute necessity it is going to eat you up inside. It's essentially back-tracking to anyone who considers them spiritually evolved to any degree.





ummm....no. if someone is pointing a gun at me, im worried about saving my life...not theirs. selfish? ya, it is i guess....but i like my life, for the most part, and i want to keep it for as long as i can. the way i see it, if someones willing to pull a gun on me, then they are also willing to wind up dead (asuming i also have a gun) no matter how you twist it, im not gonna fuck around when my life is put in danger.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: wrestler_az]
    #3362956 - 11/15/04 08:17 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

If someone was aiming for my head and I had a gun too I would try to shoot him first but I wouldn't shoot to kill (although that person might accidentally get killed because I never shot a gun before  :wink:
I would rather take him out, like what someone said with a shot in the leg or something


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: stefan]
    #3362965 - 11/15/04 08:24 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

and how exactly can you tewll where they are aiming?

anytime a gun is pointed in my general area, i act as though this person is trying to kill me, because that is usually the case....if i have a gun, i will shoot back, ptreferably in the head/chest region. im all for preserving life, especially my own.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: wrestler_az]
    #3362977 - 11/15/04 08:30 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

well, If you look straight into that barrel you'll know it I guess :smirk:

but if not I would assume someone wants me dead if pointing a gun at me


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: stefan]
    #3363279 - 11/15/04 11:40 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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stefan said:
If someone was aiming for my head and I had a gun. I would try to shoot him first but I wouldn't shoot to kill (although that person might accidentally get killed because I never shot a gun before  :wink:
I would rather take him out, like what someone said with a shot in the leg or something





Please...........When a gun is pointed at you, all this talk of being a hero flies right out the window :rolleyes:

When your life is on the line you will shoot where ever you can hit the guy. When I hear people talking like this I laugh my ass off.


Listen you can say all you like what you would do in such a situation. But believe me. Your gonna shoot as fast as you can and it wont be from some careful aim. Do you have any idea how hard it would be to hit a guy in the leg when he is trying to shoot you. HA HA har har hehhe

While I have never shot anyone. I have had a gun pulled on me. It is so much different than you think. Your legs get very weak and your belly is in your neck. Fear and survival take complete control.

Gun fights are never like they are in the movies.

One guy wins the other guy dies. Simple

So if you are ever in the position to shot someone. You aim dead center mass. The chest. Then when you knock them down you walk over and put a bullet in his head.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: kbilly]
    #3363323 - 11/15/04 11:56 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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kbilly said:
a player would spike a ball in the superbowl because he was ecstatic at scoring why would you feel similarly about killing a baby.
you didnt ewrite id kill the baby and feel bad, you wrote what you did.

"read again with a clearer mind"
its still says "spike a babys head like it was superbowl "
which is still disgusting




stop replying to me about killing babies!!!  You're replying to the wrong damn person.  :tongue:


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    #3363366 - 11/15/04 12:07 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #3363388 - 11/15/04 12:13 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah Thanks dude. My life today is like a Oprah success story.
I have invested several thousand hours of my time spread over a decade helping the inner city people. I have done everything I can to help kids in trouble. The best thing I have done so far, is to live my life the way I do. My success has become a light in the darkness. If I can make it than you can make it type of thing. Very powerful tool.

Funny thimg is I never stopped getting high. I don't preach stopping drugs I preach tapping into your talents and postive motivators. Drugs are not the problem. It is the belief system you learned as a child. Drugs are a vacation after the work is done :cool:



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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3363437 - 11/15/04 12:30 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Please...........When a gun is pointed at you, all this talk of being a hero flies right out the window

When your life is on the line you will shoot where ever you can hit the guy. When I hear people talking like this I laugh my ass off.




Please....... read before you comment. I already pointed out that I rather would shoot him in the leg but thet the bulled might end up in wose places since I never shot a gun before.

I am very aware that the power of situation is way more than most people think.
so read before you try to make me look like a fool

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: stefan]
    #3363454 - 11/15/04 12:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Sheez what is up with people in here. I was making no attempt at making you look like a fool.

I was telling the truth. If truth makes you look foolish then mabey you should check yourself.

I never said you were foolish YOU DID


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: wrestler_az]
    #3365701 - 11/15/04 08:28 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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ummm....no. if someone is pointing a gun at me, im worried about saving my life...not theirs. selfish? ya, it is i guess....but i like my life, for the most part, and i want to keep it for as long as i can. the way i see it, if someones willing to pull a gun on me, then they are also willing to wind up dead (asuming i also have a gun) no matter how you twist it, im not gonna fuck around when my life is put in danger.





Selfish?

No!

Selfish is the jackass who instigated the situation -- the initial transgressor. It's not selfish to stop someone from being selfish.. most definately when they're, you know. going to kill you.

Is their life more important than yours? I believe that you forgoe such considerations when you take actions such as threatening the life of another. Obviously a gun-wielding attacker has not thought hard about whether or not he's being selfish or if it's morally right to do what he's doing. That's not a good time to start worrying about the ultimate morality of your actions.. that's a time to save your own ass. You would not be in that situation but for the selfish and abhorrant decision of another -- it is not selfish to remove one's self from an unpleasant and dangerous forced situation.


By the by, please, if anyone IS ever in a self-defence situation, do NOT try and aim for an arm or a leg.
First of all.. a very small target that's possibly moving. Hard to hit.
Secondly.. you're not going to incapacitate someone doing that. Shoot them in the leg? Great, they fall over, scream and yell, and then shoot YOU.
Ditto for the arm.
Or hey! Maybe they just shoot you BEFORE they fall over.

If you're shooting someone to save your own life, aim for their torso. Greatest chance of knocking them down and making it impossible for them to shoot you. More lethal, true.. however.

A shot to the chest is not always lethal, and a shot to the leg isn't always non-lethal.

Choose the way that makes it most likely that you will survive, which incidentally may cause the attacker to die.. but a shot to the leg or arm may also kill them, it would just be a much longer, more painful death.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #3366828 - 11/16/04 12:17 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)


Funny thimg is I never stopped getting high. I don't preach stopping drugs I preach tapping into your talents and postive motivators. Drugs are not the problem. It is the belief system you learned as a child. Drugs are a vacation after the work is done

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #3367674 - 11/16/04 07:50 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Me? I would just make like Wyatt Earp or one of the Cartrights(Bonanza) and shoot the gun out of the (would be) assailant's hand :grin:


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    #3368312 - 11/16/04 12:29 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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    #3368389 - 11/16/04 12:49 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Keep up the good work with those inner city kids.  As you know, sometimes all it takes is for someone like you who spends the time being positive with them and cares about them to change the course of their lives.  You may have been the first person to do that for them.  Parents, teachers, and certainly their environment and circumstances may have all failed to do that until you stepped up to the plate.  Kudos.  :thumbup:




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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3369057 - 11/16/04 03:40 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

"stop replying to me about killing babies!!! You're replying to the wrong damn person"
im not replying to you im obviously replying to the person that im quoting!!! it just happens that your post was the last one before mine, dont you get it!


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: kbilly]
    #3369089 - 11/16/04 03:46 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

"a player would spike a ball in the superbowl because he was ecstatic at scoring"

probably yes


" why would you feel similarly about killing a baby."

i obviously wouldnt, as i have clearly stated, i was using the touchdown image only to describe the mechanics of it, i did not mean to imply and coresponding emotion.


"you didnt write id kill a baby and feel sad"

true i thought that would be self evident. im not a monster


"which is still disgusting "

i am using this to illustrate an ethical dilemma. try and see past the hypothetical imagery and adress the actual point i was trying to make, if you can.

I would not enjoy killing a baby. i never said i would. i would be tormented by it.

but i would do it to prevent nucleur bombs from plaguing the earth.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: kbilly]
    #3369231 - 11/16/04 04:25 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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kbilly said:
"stop replying to me about killing babies!!! You're replying to the wrong damn person"
im not replying to you im obviously replying to the person that im quoting!!! it just happens that your post was the last one before mine, dont you get it!




Is it that difficult to reply to the right person?  :tongue:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: MOTH]
    #3369323 - 11/16/04 04:50 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I dont have a wife or kids yet, but if anyone hurt them I could definately kill someone... or at least seriously mame them. Of course by hurt I mean rape, kill, torture etc.

Hey Fucknuckle I here what your sayin about growin up in shady areas. Im not near the Robert Taylor homes or anything, but my part of Chicago aint always the easiest. Ive seen my share of guns and bodies in my 23 years on this planet. If nothing else it has made me capable of handling trauma well. If Im around and there is trouble, keeping cool is the norm.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #3369512 - 11/16/04 05:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I am and have. Everything from varmits to tweekers.
Had a tweeker try and carjack me in "the city" I ran his ass down thump! It's funny to see a tweeekers face when the gun don't scare you and you nail the gas.
Not sure I killed him just hope I did.Fuckin' tweekers if there was a season for hunting them I'd draw a tag.To Fuck knuckle It can be a bit of a trip looking down a gun barrel. I had it happen the first time when my step dad pulled a 38 and pumped 6 blanks into my chest, I was eight. Now the sight of someone using a gun to threaten fills me with rage.Yeah I can kill No problemo
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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: whiterasta]
    #3370102 - 11/16/04 07:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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I had it happen the first time when my step dad pulled a 38 and pumped 6 blanks into my chest, I was eight.




Nothing like having a step dad with a twisted sense of humour. btw WR: that allusion to Yoseminite Sam("varmints") was classic :grin:


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    #3413357 - 11/26/04 08:09 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0...4516464-9893610

I highly recommend the book linked above for those who are interested in this subject.

There are tons of books written about WAR, but they all forget the most personal, necessary part of war which is the ACT OF KILLING.

This book covers it, its by a retired col. from the USA


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    #3413365 - 11/26/04 08:12 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

that is a very good book :wink:

elsewhere on these boards i've recommended it

it covers about everything you might want and probably some you hadn't thought of


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3415570 - 11/27/04 01:16 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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That where it gets spiritual. Someone who would go to violently attack another is acting out past rage of themselves being violently attacked. They were once 'victims' themselves. However, if someone has a gun to your kids head, you don't have time to ask them to lay on the couch and talk about their past and help them to heal it.

people who are in peace act in peace.

Did you know ALL persons in jail for violent crimes were physicaly abused as children????? that doesn't mean all kids who were physicaly abused go on to rage on others, but it does mean that all who rage on others were raged on at one point first themselves and were never taught how to heal.

How come no one was there to protect them when they were being brutalised as children? Without the transitional healing, they became the brutaliser to cope and compensate.

It's all so fucked up really.



Tool wrote a song about this. Its called prison sex. About someone who was molested as a child and is now a child molester. The lyrics are like" I have found some kinf of temparary sanity in this shit, blood and cum on my hands". Pretty fucked up. Its all so fucked up(I like that)


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #18547541 - 07/12/13 08:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i would kill out of revenge of the following:

1. raping a love one
2. molesting a child related to me
3. murdering a loved one


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Apollop]
    #18547566 - 07/12/13 08:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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i would kill out of revenge of the following:

1. raping a love one
2. molesting a child related to me
3. murdering a loved one




8 year thread is 8 years old. Still, Swami threads are usually a good read. I don't think I have ever seen this one.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: spudamore] * 1
    #18548139 - 07/12/13 12:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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In what circumstance other than war/self-defense would you consider taking another's life?

maybe a close friend that would have terminal cancer,  and in much pain.





What about a close friend with a severely sprained ankle?


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18548167 - 07/12/13 12:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I could kill if a mod moved one of my threads. :yesnod:


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18548185 - 07/12/13 12:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I could kill if a mod moved one of my threads. :yesnod:




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    #18548302 - 07/12/13 01:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I don't have a problem with death. The world would be a better place without a lot of us. Animals don't know right from wrong; they just have instincts so everything they do is innocent and forgivable, but humans know right from wrong yet the majority of us repeatedly choose wrong. We buy clothes made by children in another country who work the equivalent of two full time jobs, pollute the earth, and support evil in general every day without thinking twice. I'll feel sorry about your death if you're a tent dwelling vegetarian who wears second hand clothes, but that's about it.


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    #18548318 - 07/12/13 01:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't have a problem with death.



As long as it is someone else's?

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but humans know right from wrong



Perhaps you will be the first philosopher in history to clearly demark the boundary, but I highly doubt it.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18548325 - 07/12/13 01:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i dunno, im not as fast as i used to be.

peeps can really move when your trying to get them.


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Re: Are you capable of killing? (moved) [Re: Swami]
    #18548381 - 07/12/13 01:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

This thread was moved from Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology.

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Re: Are you capable of killing? (moved) [Re: johnm214]
    #18548421 - 07/12/13 01:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Are you capable of killing? (moved) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18548734 - 07/12/13 02:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You better watch your back John.:lol:

To answer the original question, I could kill if I needed to eat.


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    #18549046 - 07/12/13 04:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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In what circumstance other than war/self-defense would you consider taking another's life?




If the law wasn't an issue, I'd have killed a few people already. Had stalkers, have enemies.


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    #18549069 - 07/12/13 04:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Mostly it depends on how long I abstain from mushrooms. But honestly if I abstain for a little to long I find no value in the lives of millions of immoral scumbags and want to torture them for decades mercilessly. Worse is if I channel into negative entities (whatever they may be) I get a big evil grin, an adrenaline rush, and the desire to rip people apart with my bare hands for fun, not out of hatred at all but for the sheer pleasure of it.

This is why I partake in the fruit regularly... I don't want to harbor such wrath, because logically I know it's wrong. But I get delusional when I have not taken the fruit and start philosophically justifying genocide on people I don't like. People such as, white/black/brown/yellow/red low life trash, cops, lawyers, judges, politicians, stupid people who think they are smart and right, brain washed people, followers, fallacious organized religious morons, the self righteous, the self centered, war mongers, people who spend more on a pair of shoes than most people make in a year, manipulators, those who disrespect nature and their fellow man... the list goes on... then I would kill myself for spilling so much blood, and the qualities that I abhor in myself and suffer eternally in an afterlife haunted by my victims...

But when I take the mushroom my wrath is lifted from my shoulders like a heavy burden removed. I forgive all, I love them, and I see their bad behavior as a defect in their psyche resulting from a world torn apart by hate, greed, and blood lust. I wish to only harbor the love given to me by the fruit, for my wrath causes me unbearable misery which I revel in when I forget the message of the sacred fruit.

Fortunately I am able to restrain my wrath for love of my family which never fades due to their presence in my life. A truly scary man is one who has lost all that he loves, and has no TRUE divine influence.


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    #18549093 - 07/12/13 04:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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If the law wasn't an issue, I'd have killed a few people already. Had stalkers









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    #18549139 - 07/12/13 04:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I once lived near a corn field. Stalkers were everywhere! :shiftyeyes:


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    #18549193 - 07/12/13 04:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Mostly it depends on how long I abstain from mushrooms. But honestly if I abstain for a little to long I find no value in the lives of millions of immoral scumbags and want to torture them for decades mercilessly. Worse is if I channel into negative entities (whatever they may be) I get a big evil grin, an adrenaline rush, and the desire to rip people apart with my bare hands for fun, not out of hatred at all but for the sheer pleasure of it.

This is why I partake in the fruit regularly... I don't want to harbor such wrath, because logically I know it's wrong. But I get delusional when I have not taken the fruit and start philosophically justifying genocide on people I don't like. People such as, white/black/brown/yellow/red low life trash, cops, lawyers, judges, politicians, stupid people who think they are smart and right, brain washed people, followers, fallacious organized religious morons, the self righteous, the self centered, war mongers, people who spend more on a pair of shoes than most people make in a year, manipulators, those who disrespect nature and their fellow man... the list goes on... then I would kill myself for spilling so much blood, and the qualities that I abhor in myself and suffer eternally in an afterlife haunted by my victims...

But when I take the mushroom my wrath is lifted from my shoulders like a heavy burden removed. I forgive all, I love them, and I see their bad behavior as a defect in their psyche resulting from a world torn apart by hate, greed, and blood lust. I wish to only harbor the love given to me by the fruit, for my wrath causes me unbearable misery which I revel in when I forget the message of the sacred fruit.

Fortunately I am able to restrain my wrath for love of my family which never fades due to their presence in my life. A truly scary man is one who has lost all that he loves, and has no TRUE divine influence.




can u elaborate more on that channeling of negative entities you mention? maybe via a pm if you don't want to on this thread?


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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #18549705 - 07/12/13 06:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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In what circumstance other than war/self-defense would you consider taking another's life?




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Re: Are you capable of killing? [Re: Swami]
    #18549751 - 07/12/13 07:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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In what circumstance other than war/self-defense would you consider taking another's life?




If someone had sexualy abused any of my kids I would not think twice about it and end their life slow and painfully.


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