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Death By Theory
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DISCLAIMER: Some posters have become upset after reading this news. It deals with the death of a little girl and gives fairly detailed descriptions of her torture and death. Reader discretion is advised :wink:

Death by Theory
Attachment therapy is based on a pseudoscientific theory that, when put into practice, can be deadly
By Michael Shermer

In April 2000, 10-year-old Candace Newmaker began treatment for attachment disorder. Her adoptive mother of four years, Jeane Newmaker, was having trouble handling what she considered to be Candace's disciplinary problems. She sought help from a therapist affiliated with the Association for Treatment and Training in the Attachment of Children (www.ATTACh.org) and was told that Candace needed attachment therapy (AT), based on the theory that if a normal attachment is not formed during the first two years, attachment can be done later.

According to the theory, the child must be subjected to physical "confrontation" and "restraint" to release repressed abandonment anger. The process is repeated until the child is exhausted and emotionally reduced to an "infantile" state. Then the parents cradle, rock and bottle-feed him, implementing an "attachment."

Candace was treated by Connell Watkins, a nationally prominent attachment therapist and past clinical director for the Attachment Center at Evergreen (ACE) in Colorado, and her associate Julie Ponder. The treatment was carried out in Watkins's home and videotaped. According to trial transcripts, Watkins and Ponder conducted more than four days of "holding therapies." On one day they grabbed or covered Candace's face 138 times, shook or bounced her head 392 times and shouted into her face 133 times. When these actions failed to break her, they put the 68-pound Candace inside a flannel sheet and covered her with sofa pillows, while several adults (with a combined weight of nearly 700 pounds) lay on top of her so that she could be "reborn." Ponder is reported to have told the girl to imagine that she was "a teeny little baby" in the womb, commanding her to "come out head first." In response, Candace screamed, "I can't breathe, I can't do it! ... Somebody's on top of me.... I want to die now! Please! Air!"

According to AT, Candace's reaction was a sign of her emotional resistance, calling for more confrontation to achieve emotional healing. ACE (now operating as the Institute for Attachment and Child Development) claims that "confrontation is sometimes necessary to break through a child's defenses and reach the hurting child within." Putting theory into practice, Ponder admonished, "You're gonna die." The girl begged: "Please, please, I can't breathe." She then vomited and cried, "I gotta poop." Ponder instructed the others to "press more on top," on the premise that such children exaggerate their distress. Her mother entreated, "I know it's hard, but I'm waiting for you."

After 40 minutes of struggling, Candace went silent. Ponder rebuked her: "Quitter, quitter!" Someone joked about performing a C-section, while Ponder patted a dog that meandered by. After 30 minutes of silence, Watkins remarked, "Let's look at this twerp and see what's going on. Is there a kid in there somewhere? There you are lying in your own vomit. Aren't you tired?"

Candace wasn't tired; she was dead. The death certificate listed the proximate cause as asphyxiation, and her therapists received the minimum sentence of 16 years for "reckless child abuse resulting in death." The ultimate cause was pseudoscientific quackery masquerading as psychological science. "However bizarre or idiosyncratic these treatments appear--and however ineffective or harmful they may be to children--they emerge from a complex internal logic based, unfortunately, on faulty premises," write Jean Mercer, a psychologist at Richard Stockton College of New Jersey, and Larry Sarner and Linda Rosa of the National Council against Health Fraud in their 2003 analysis, Attachment Therapy on Trial: The Torture and Death of Candace Newmaker.

Other children have died after AT as well. The American Psychiatric Association states: "While some therapists have advocated the use of so-called coercive holding therapies and/or 're-birthing techniques,' there is no scientific evidence to support the effectiveness of such interventions." Nevertheless, AT continues to flourish. ATTACh claims to have about 600 members. The numbers may be even higher, Mercer, Sarner and Rosa say, because the practice goes by different labels, including holding-nurturing process, rage reduction, cuddle time and compression therapy (see www.ChildrenInTherapy.org).

By whatever name, AT remains a pseudoscience. We should ban its practice before it tortures and kills children again.

Edited by trendal (11/06/04 07:00 AM)

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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This is a perfect example of the misuse of science touched upon in this thread. It isn't limited to "attachment therapy", either.

Far too often today science is used for coercion.  :thumbdown:


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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""Far too often today science is used for coercion.""
you do what you do, and there is nothing you can do about it, man's unbending intent plrevails? haha, why is that bad? (if it is)  :thumbup: :shrug:


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Gomp]
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What you described bore no relation to any science. Science is based upon verifiable fact. "Therapy is NOT based on fact.


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Wow, I can't believe they actually thought that was a good idea.

It's crazy :/


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I didn't describe that, Huehuecoyotl, it's from Scientific American :smirk:


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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that was a disgusting story.

i could feel that child...

probably perfectly normal, having developed no need for codependancy for some reasons, the parents grew hurt andchildish for their need to be wanted.

disgusting....


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Todcasil]
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you can't theoretically capture something as emotion - you may sense and even accurately determine how someone is going to feel but there is no healthy way to physically make the person cleanse themselves emotionally as if they are "reborn" this is total bullshit. my sincerities go to the the child and the other victims of this piece of theoretical manure that was probably manifested from some poor old therapist's sick little lethargically sought ideals on the emotional processes of children. hindering the development of a child can be so fatal...even without death.
end this practice, i'll sign the petition.

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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THAT WAS HORRIBLE!!! I understand attachment theory from several important theorists like Mahler, Bowlby, Horney, Erikson, Masterson, etc. and it is understood that developmental stages cannot be revisited. Every human has a series of critical developmental stages, regardless of the theorist. If we are not successful, then it is too late and we go through life with varying degrees of psychopathology like Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality organization (or Disorder) which makes healthy attachment, intimacy and loving impossible. These things can be adjusted outwardly, making individuals appear fine, but it is just an act (I was married to a Borderline for many years). THAT was some sadistic s**t! Poor child.


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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yeah, that's it, more confrontation for more healing.  :rolleyes:

this is unbelievable.

I used to be very disattached from my surroundings as a result from child abuse. what were the parents thinking? i child like that needs love and compassion, not words to tear open more wounds.

this is science?  :sad:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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Validity of the theory aside, who the fuck would think it's a good idea to let a bunch of adults smother their kid with a sheet and lay on top of her?! Whatever purpose it's supposed to serve, that's just asking for a tragic accident. Damn, people are fucking stupid...or crazy...or something. Hell if I know after reading something like that.


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Renegade8]
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My god. That's just.. beyond fucked up.
Bizarre. Sickening.

I really wonder what the people that are so rightfully in prison are thinking now. Do they still feel like they did the right thing, or at least tried? Who knows.  :nonono:



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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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:wtf:

This ranks as the most sickening reading here. :thumbdown:


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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they had a Law and Order Episode about that incident...

Lady takes her Daughter in too have a rebirth, child sufficates, trial, investigation, quite interesting :-P

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Gomp]
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"haha, why is that bad? (if it is)"
god knows if i understand you correctly your pretty incoherent at best of times and not just ebcuase your norwegian

because a defenceless child is dead
are you an idiot??

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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HAAHH THAT WAS AWSOME

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: police]
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example of learning by experience. in this way, i hope many people die.
fucking idiots.


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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Reading that really stoned last night nearly made me sick.. it was WAY too graphic.  :thumbdown:

Edit: I think you should consider removing this post, Trendal. Or atleast add a disclaimer to the title. It was a LOT more than I thought I was signing on for when I started reading the thread. A detailed account of the procedure by which they tortured and killed this child is NOT necessary.. and at the very least, one should have warning that they're about to encounter such a thing.

Just my opinion.  :confused:

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Renegade8]
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Renegade420 said:
Validity of the theory aside, who the fuck would think it's a good idea to let a bunch of adults smother their kid with a sheet and lay on top of her?!


This is exactly my point! It seems that all you need to do is label something, anything as "science". Toss in some techno-babble to confuse anyone who doesn't spend 24/7 reading science...and you will find a LOT of people who will buy into your "science" without any second-guess. It looks like this little girl's mother fell victim to this horrid type of scam.

Like my sig below says, our society promotes scientific illiteracy, which in turn promotes the use of science in scams. :mad2:


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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I put a disclaimer at the top of the thread :wink:


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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Thank you.  :frown:

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: BleaK]
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Quote:
BleaK said:
example of learning by experience. in this way, i hope many people die.
fucking idiots.



Do you feel no compassion for your fellow humans? This little girl didn't have a choice in her death. Her mother was duped into allowing a bunch of people MASQUERADING as scientists to kill her with ignorance. I certainly don't feel sorry for the people who ended up in jail, and they should be left to rot there for the rest of their lives for what they did. The mother I can feel slightly sorry for, only because she has lost her daughter. She too was full of ignorance.

The little girl I can feel deeply sorry for. Her parents were supposed to be protecting her...not allowing this to happen.


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
This is exactly my point! It seems that all you need to do is label something, anything as "science". Toss in some techno-babble to confuse anyone who doesn't spend 24/7 reading science...and you will find a LOT of people who will buy into your "science" without any second-guess. It looks like this little girl's mother fell victim to this horrid type of scam.


I don't think you should be so quick to finger science here.. ANYONE with a decent amount of common sense would NOT stand by while this procedure happened to their child, even if it was in the name of a scientific procedure that was supposed to help the child.

I would have locked her mother up with the rest of them if it were up to me.

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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No no! I'm not blaming science on this one, I'm blaming the general public LACK of scientific knowledge and the people who EXPLOIT this lack to their own agendas, usually for money.

The only fault of science, in this, is the elitism that began in the scientific community last century. Both the public and scientists themselves began to view scientists as a step above the rest, in some ways. Science has given us so many material things. In a materlialistic society, I think it has led to a hope that science will solve all of our problems...and do so NOW. So people are more willing to put their doubts aside when something is passed off as "science".


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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Indeed.

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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i feel a combination of compassion and anger.

the more we fuck up the faster we evolve.
HOW ELSE DO PEOPLE LEARN?

my lengthy apathetic state due to my lack of direction, has enevitably led to anger.
but it does seem usefull in ways.


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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Has anyone ever heard of the Darwin Award http://www.darwinawards.com/ This is awarded when a really stupid person takes themselves out of the gene pool by doing something dangerously stupid. Most of the stories are sickly humorous. Unfortunately this was a case of idiots taking someone ELSE out of the gene pool instead of themselves. Ignorance is NOT bliss.


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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"HOW ELSE DO PEOPLE LEARN?"

by reason for one, experiments which dont cost peoples lives.

do you learn by repeatedlky banging your head against the same wall.

this is from dark ages, we dont learn anything new from this, its just terrible.

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: kbilly]
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and how do u understand reason? by experience.


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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it still baffels reading that article again.

its like, how far are people willing to go now?

"how else do people learn?"

repetition is one the core ways humans learn.


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: kaiowas]
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Yes but repetition produces memorization, which is quite far from understanding :wink:


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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[gomp]Yes but memorization is a prerequisite for understandinization, ja? :p :confused: :thumbup: [/gomp]



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Re: Death By Theory [Re: kbilly]
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kbilly said:
"haha, why is that bad? (if it is)"
god knows if i understand you correctly your pretty incoherent at best of times and not just ebcuase your norwegian

because a defenceless child is dead
are you an idiot??


LOL, cute :wink:
shall we take that one more time?
Quote:
""Far too often today science is used for coercion.""
you do what you do, and there is nothing you can do about it, man's unbending intent plrevails? haha, why is that bad? (if it is) 




today science is used for coercion was presented,
so i asked:
you do what you do, and there is nothing you can do about it, man's unbending intent plrevails? haha, why is that bad? (if it is)

see another possible connection this time?  :wink: :thumbup:



""god knows if i understand you correctly your pretty incoherent at best of times and not just ebcuase your norwegian""

then you should talk to god an not me? :P hehe
and if you know why i am 'pretty incoherent', why not share it? maybe it could be changed?


""because a defenceless child is dead ""
if that child suffered, i am gonna go ahead and say, then you suffer to. you are what you are you can not change it, you are where you are you can not change it, "calling pity makes the pity"  unknown :P

""are you an idiot?? ""
I am what i am, and given everything is nothing. i am everything(included a idiot to some?) that depend on how you judge it? one way i see it i am, and that is enough.  :confused: :thumbup:


"""they emerge from a complex internal logic based, unfortunately, on faulty premises"""

"faulty premises is nothing but a blame of after thinkers"
-unknown :P


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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"THAT was some sadistic s**t! Poor child. "

let it out marko. the word is SHIT.

that was some twisted, evil, iexcusable SHIT.


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
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""[gomp]Yes but memorization is a prerequisite for understandinization, ja? :p  [/gomp]""

hehe  :cool:

understanding do not require memory, it is memory? :P
if i understood that memory was necessary to understand. do i make memory by understanding?, and if that is right, if i do not understand how a bird can fly, could that make me not capable of remembering that a bird can fly?  :confused:
:grin: :heart:


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Edited by Gomp (11/06/04 05:09 PM)

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
Yes but repetition produces memorization, which is quite far from understanding :wink:



oooooooooooooooooooooo  :wink:  :grin:


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: kaiowas]
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"you are what you are you can not change it, you are where you are you can not change it"

what rubbish, if you could not change then you would stay just the way you were when you were born.

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: kbilly]
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""you are what you are you can not change it, you are where you are you can not change it""

did you not get all the possibilities of that sentence?
let's do another one, you do what you did... and you can not change it.. you are where you was.. and you can not change it?


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Edited by Gomp (11/07/04 08:02 AM)

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Gomp]
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Gomp, in the example he quoted you failed to use past tense terminology. Therefore, you were expressing that the present cannot be different if one desires it to be. (which is false)

In the latter example given, you used past tense terminology, which expresses that the PAST cannot be changed. (Which is true.)

Sometimes it's not a matter of how a statement is being interpretted, but how you worded it.

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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""in the example he quoted you failed to use past tense terminology. Therefore, you were expressing that the present cannot be different if one desires it to be. (which is false)""

ok one more time :wink:

"you are what you are you can not change it, you are where you are you can not change it" an ekample: you broke your leg, skiing in the alps, all alone.. in fact you broke both your legs..
so you sit there then, you are hurt and you are still sitting there  hurt, what can you do? (you have no cell phone either.)
then you are what you are you can not change it, you are where you are you can not change it?


""In the latter example given, you used past tense terminology, which expresses that the PAST cannot be changed. (Which is true.)""

"you do what you did... and you can not change it.. you are where you was.. and you can not change it? "

same example, you could not move, (you had broken both legs)
you jumped down a to steep hill, could you change it?



""Sometimes it's not a matter of how a statement is being interpreted, but how you worded it. ""

I have no desire to neither prove nor disprove the views and philosophies. you may be think you understand the words I have just said to you. but, what you may fail to realize is, what you may have thought I said is not what I actually may have intended by saying what I said, when I said it.


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Edited by Gomp (11/07/04 08:34 AM)

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Gomp]
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I know, Gomp. I'm just trying to clarify where the confusion arises from for you. The word "broke" is past tense. You're still speaking of events that have already happened. You cannot alter the past.

The comparative difference would be to say that, DURING the event that caused your leg to break, you COULD do something differently so that your leg does not break. That would be present tense.

The difference between "broke" and "break" is the same difference between your two cited examples.

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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but could i not do that intentionally? (not saying that i did though)
:laugh: :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Gomp]
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You could. But, as I just said in PM, we could stay here all day semantically bickering about the meanings of each word.. but if we do that, we would never have the intended conversation on the subject at hand.

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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exactly?

ahaha you kill me
:grin: :thumbup: :heart:

you said: "Gomp, in the example he quoted you failed to use past tense terminology. Therefore, you were expressing that the present cannot be different if one desires it to be. (which is false)"

what I could be saying is, yes, but that is only one of the possibilities? why shut outh the other's (if you do)?
if i had used past tense terminology, it would be something completly different now would it not? and it is not :P so no one failed to do anything, it was done :P was maybe the point i could be making?


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Edited by Gomp (11/07/04 09:21 AM)

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Gomp]
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Unfortunately, while I see where you are going with this, at the same time the language barrier between us is preventing me from firmly grasping your point... so I'm just gonna have to duck out of this conversation at this point.

Peace man.. don't take it personally, I just can't understand what you're saying.

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Re: Death By Theory [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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""preventing me from firmly grasping your point""

what is preventing you from firmly grasping 'my point'
could be that i do not present it as a point, i make point's (atlest i see them myself offcource)
this language barrier between us, could be just the language?
what could be going on is you are trying to isolate one point of it, when there could be so many? :P
but this is off topic yes?


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: Gomp]
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Oops! I posted this in the wrong thread.  :blush:


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Re: Death By Theory [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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hehe :P


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