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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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:frown:  no offence taken, ever.

:lol: if I get offended that's my own damn fault :lol:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: kaiowas]
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Yer cool, kaiowas.  :heart:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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ah yes, but it's my avatar that's cooler!!!


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I believe that death is something we don't understand yet. We don't know if that loved one(or not) who died will go to a better place. He may be eternally stuck in this coffin that we made for him. So I personally can only speculate using my critical ability, which of course was created and grown by stereotypes like that of death , so it wouldn't be an impassionate opinion.

Funerals are a custom which was created by the living, to say the final goodbye to their loved ones and further honor them for what they have done in life by spending that time there in that ceremony. If one does not want to go for any possible reasons, it is her/his right, yes it may cause discomfort and may make the others a bit angry, but it is a personal matter as much as it is a common so they shouldn't jugde this persons final decision anyway.

When my grandparents died, I was not allowed by my father to go to the funeral because I was only 13 years old and my brother almost 10 years old. I can now see that although I was angry then, my father took the right decision a decision which was subconciously and not only nailed to my father's mind because his father...allowed him to go to his mother funeral at the age of 13. (If it seems like a paradox, let me tell you that my grandfather had another marriage.)

So the whole thing is subjective and thus varies from the individual observer's point of view... :wink:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Shroomerious]
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I don't like to go to funerals. For one thing, they're really boring. For another, I don't believe that the person whose spirit left is still in that dead body.

I think funerals are for the living, so they can say good-bye, have closure, etc.

If someone really needed to go to the funeral of a loved one, and needed ME, specifically, to go with him/her, I would go, to offer support.

However, I am the type who would forget that a funeral is a solemn occasion, and I might act too happy, and I might even laugh. I hate when that happens, because then people get mad at me. I'm not good at acting sad, and I'm not good at remembering to be sad, or quiet, or whatever.


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I think that there is a possibility for the body to remain in the body after a person dies, and if this is true, and it is a loved one, I wouldn't want to make him/her feel more sad than she/he already is.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Shroomerious]
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The body is dead. No pulse. No breath.

I'm not trying to challenge you, but what makes you think that there might still be "something" in the body, or something that comprises the person that is still there, when someone dies?

What do you think we are, that we are still us after death?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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First of all I like challenges. But I did a mistake. Instead of :

" think that there is a possibility for the body to remain in the body after a person dies"

I meant:

" think that there is a possibility for the spirit to remain in the body after a person dies"

And I do not know what happens after death, and I think that you don't know too so we can only speculate... you may be eternally stuck in the coffin. You can not prove me wrong and neither can I. So what I'm saying is that if this sad thing happens and the spirit is till alive, then I think that this person would be happy to see us, and this is why I go visit some people in the cemetery once in a while.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Shroomerious]
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That sounds horrible, Shroomerious, and I'm glad you're not God!

Seriously, I can imagine that what you have described would be hell. Absence of God. The spirit staying in the body after death, and having to live in a decaying corpse as the spirit that is you.

I cannot imagine that existence for those who are going to be with God, if there is a God.

So, do you not believe in God? Is this why you believe we stay in our bodies? Why do you think that people stay in the body? What set you on this course of thinking?

We all have our opinions of what will happen when we die, but those opinions are based on something we've experienced, read, been told, etc., during the course of our lives.


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Frog, I really don't know what to say. I think I made myself pretty clear.

-I was speaking about that possibility.
-I don't know if god exists or what/who it is and what are his/hers real intentions if it does exist. We have talked about this in the past.
-You can only speculate for the existance of god, you don't have real proof.

First you are saying :

I cannot imagine that existence for those who are going to be with God, if there is a God.

and then:

So, do you not believe in God? Is this why you believe we stay in our bodies?

First you have to define god, so I can answer in if I believe. And I am saying again that I was talking about that possibility.

I am glad that you can not imagine that, as you say, but I can, and in this unfortunate case, people there in the cemetery would be happy to see me.

Also, : Shroomerious, and I'm glad you're not God!

Did I ever say that I want a thing like this to happen? I really can't get it. Or I suppose you again forgot to put the little smiley.......


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Shroomerious]
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Okay, I was joking when I said "I'm glad you're not God".  Yes, I should have put a smiley face. 

The rest of it, I'll have to go back and re-read what you wrote, and what I wrote.  I have a feeling I offended you, and that was not my intent.  I thought I was engaging you in a discussion on your beliefs, and I reallly was just curious as to your beliefs.

I apologize if I offended you.  I really am sorry.  I offended kaiowas yesterday or day before.  Didn't mean to do that either.

So, tomorrow, not tonight, I'll go back and re-read and see where I erred, and try to clear it up.  K? 

Was going to be a smart-ass and write: "----> :grin: obligatory smiley face! but I've offended enough for one week, just in case it's misinterpreted.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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You did not offend me, I think there was just a misunderstanding of what I wrote. When you have time read it through... :thumbup:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Shroomerious]
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Okay, I think that when I responded to your post where you said you don't mind challenges, I was just talking, but it might sound like I was somehow going after you or your beliefs, or somehow attacking you or ridiculing you. And then I added what I thought was funny "glad you're not God", but no smiley face thingy.

I said "glad you're not God" because at first read, it sounded like you were saying that you believed for sure that that's what happens. It was a stupid joke, in retrospect, because you are just saying "maybe" that's what happens.

I appreciate your thoughts that it's possible that the person/spirit might still be there. I hope not, but I could see what you're saying. Who's to say whether I'm right or wrong, or if you're right or wrong. But if the person is still in his body, what a relief to have visitors.

Have I cleared this up at all?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Totally.


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