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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I'm going to wait for 3 whole days before I post my reasoning for posting this thread. (Apropos MM)

My horoscope says I will be "gone" before then.  :crying:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Swami]
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I don't see the point in sad funerals either, other than a way of closure. Going to a funeral with the intent of getting closure for yourself is, quite frankly, sad and terribly egotistical, because it belittles what this person has meant and shows your desire to forget about them.
I can never be sad or even worse - cry - at a funeral, simply because I somehow know they're in a state of peace wherever they are. One time at a funeral, I almost starting laughing out loud, because I'd just remembered a moment with the recently deceased person that was hilarious. It should be okay to laugh, dance and sing at a funeral, because if you don't celebrate what this person has meant to you, why get together anyway? All you'll see is how many other people will need that person who's no longer around, and as I've said before, it's selfish.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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some other personal feelings i had: i wasnt sad that she died, but was broken up due to her suffering..its was almost a relief when she let go...the hardest thing in the world for me is to watch people suffer, especially someone so close as a mother...
sure, i miss her, but im happy that shes no longer in pain, thats the main thing


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if you can't find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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im going to pour out some of my soul for this post:

death is a great event. so long as it is not imminent, we cling to ourselves and our lives in chronic anxiety, however pushed into the back of the mind. but when the time comes where clinging is no longer of the least avail, the circumstances are ideal for letting go of oneself completely. when this happens, the individual is released from ones ego-prison. in the normal course of events this is the goden opportunity for awakening into the knowledge that ones actual self i the Self which plays the universe-an occasion for great rejoicing. but as customs now prevail, nurse and relatives come around with smilingmasks, assuring the patient that he/she will soon get over it. worse still, physicians have neither the role nor the training for handling death. the physician is supposed to put off death at all costs-including the life savings of the patient and his/her family. id rther die ten years too early than ten minutes too late--too late and too decrepit or drugged, to seize the opportunity to let oneslf go, to let go of myself. as we now regard death this reads like a prescription for a nightmare. but the constant awareness of death shows thw world to be as flowing and diaphanous as the filmy patterns of blue smoke in the air-that there really is nothing to clutch and no-one to clutch it. this is deppressing only so long as there remains a notion that there might be some way of fixing it, of putting it off just once more, or hoping that one has, or is, some kind of ego-soul that will survive bodily dissolution. (im not saying that there is no personal continuity beyond death--only that beieving in it keeps us in bondage.)
there is no more sayingthat we ought not fear death than saying that we ought to be unsefish. suppressing the fear of death makes it all the stronger. the point is only to know, beyond any shadow of doubt, that "i" and all other "things" now present will vanish, until this knowledge compels you to release them--to know it now as surely as if you had just fallen off the rim of the grand canyon. indeed, you were kicked off the edge of a precipice when you were born, and its no help to cling to the rocks falling with you. if you are afrid of death, be afraid. the point is ti get with it, to let it take over-fer, ghosts, pains, transience, dissolution, and all. And then comes the hitherto unbelievable surprise; you dont die because you were never born. you had just forgotten who you are.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I believe in Funerals and would attend them out of RESPECT. Respect for the deceased.
Simple as that.



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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I havent' read the whole thread, so i may be repeating someone.

You go to the funeral for several reasons, depending on how the departed is related to you in terms of friendship or familial ties.

1) You have a duty to the departed's loved ones to support them in their time of need.

2) It's a gesture of respect for the departed and their families.


I cried at the funeral of a friend's grandfather not because of the grandfather's passing. I'd never met the man. I cried because my friend was so clearly in pain, and he still managed to stand up and speak clearly, he gave the most beautiful eulogy I've ever heard. I was there to support him, and to show respect for his grieving family. That's what a funeral is about to me.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Okay, but isn't this forum about taking ideas to the next level? An important question to ask is why people grieve about the deceased, IMO.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Alan Stone]
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That is easy: because on the deepest level, the religious (generally) don't really believe what they claim to believe. Their faith is more like an overcoat thrown on than an integral part of their being. This facade falls away when faced with such an existential crisis as losing a loved one.

I have often noted that the agnostic, atheist and religious, all wail with equal fervor in the face of death.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Swami]
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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Indeed, respect, not for the dead. For the living. Those still engulfed in the illusion that is set up will need comfort and projected guidance to inner peace. It is necessary for those who have found true peace to offer it to them. Reflect the faults of man-kind with kindness and the world shall know peace. That is why anything should be celebrated.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: ]
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Thinking that being a Christian makes us superhuman is an egregious error in many ways.

Certainly never thought that nor did I mention Christians. Isn't this the type of strawman that you despise?

Here is what I do know: if I truly "knew" that someone I cared deeply for was going to be free from all suffering and struggling and be in total bliss forever, I certainly would not be grieving, I would be celebrating.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Here is what I do know: if I truly "knew" that someone I cared deeply for was going to be free from all suffering and struggling and be in total bliss forever, I certainly would not be grieving, I would be celebrating.


That's how I feel about death. I'd rather celebrate the death, that the person is ... do I dare say it? ... in a better place. I or someone will miss that person, but isn't it good to move on? To be in a place where you would now have a better understanding of what we were doing while we were here?


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Quote:
I or someone will miss that person, but isn't it good to move on?




alot of people use funerals for this...they kinda make the death final in their minds....


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: wrestler_az]
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Tomorrow is the big day!  Stay tuned!  I promise to piss all of you off!  :grin:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Swami]
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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: ]
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i think the "knew" was refering to the implied christian's views....they "know" cuz the bible says so....yet, when their loved ones die, they greive...rather than celebrate the fact they are now free from all this crap here on earth...


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: wrestler_az]
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Some of us are just rather selfish, when it comes to losing loved ones. A part of you really doesn't want to let go... not that it's right, but that's the way it is for some people. I know when my great grandmother died I was very sad, not because she was a wonderful lady so much as because I knew I would never see her here again. I went to the funeral to finalize that fact in my head, as wrestler az said...

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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> I think that funerals are for the living, not for the dead.

Having lost several close family members, I have been to more funerals than I would care to think about. For me they provided a final sense of closure. I regret not going to the ones I skipped.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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4 days ere up, thought I'd bump it for you.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: KackleDude]
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The forum was down the night before last, and then yesterday was a really busy day. I'll have the stuff here by tonight that I was going to piss everybody off with.


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