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No, really, "DEATH"
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I had the opportunity this past week to be with someone to whom it was announced that his ex-wife had died in the middle of the night.

He was beleaguered from all sides to send his kids to the funeral. His choice was to not to send the kids to the funeral.

I, personally, don't believe in funerals. I think that funerals are for the living, not for the dead.

What do you believe? Should one go to a funeral to make the living happy? Is it a personal choice how to celebrate the death?


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I think it's entirely a personal choice, or should be.

I don't like funerals. They make me uneasy. I'm not sad when a person dies, even if they are very close to me, so it feels quite weird to be around so many people who are visibly sad. Plus it just doesn't look good to the sad people to have this guy sitting there who quite obviously is not sad. I've had bad experiences with that...

To me, there is nothing to be "sad" about when someone dies. I will miss their companionship, yes, but in my opinion they've gone to a better place anyway. I don't exactly feel happy about their death...but that would be the closest emotion I would mention.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: trendal]
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I'M SO WITH YOU ON THIS ISSUE!!!

I will be sitting there, so obviously not sad, because, personally, I am not sad when someone dies!!!


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I think funerals mostly serve as a way to remember the deceased, but mostly I believe they are for the family and friends to sort of "finalize" somone's death. I think they serve to give the mourning a chance to say their final goodbyes and help the family members get over it.


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Alice came to a fork in the road.  "Which road do I take?" she asked.
"Where do you want to go?" responded the Cheshire cat.
"I don't know," Alice answered.
"Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."
~Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Llamanose]
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Llamanose said:
I think funerals mostly serve as a way to remember the deceased, but mostly I believe they are for the family and friends to sort of "finalize" somone's death. I think they serve to give the mourning a chance to say their final goodbyes and help the family members get over it.


But what if you didn't want to go to the funeral, for whatever, any, reason? Should the other members of the family respect that? Or should you have to go anyways?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: trendal]
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i used to think like that, like even if someone close to me dies i wouldnt really be sad, i mean, why would one be sad?...or so i thought.
my mother passed slowly and painfully due to fucking cancer, and when the time came i was prepared, but not ready, ive never had rougher time getting over anything, obviously its something that i think of everyday. i was sad, and still feel sad once in a while. when one faces death so closely its different....maybe its just me.
i ended up joining the peace corps and moved to Africa for two years, i guess i just had to 'get away.'


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: CleverName]
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But should you have to go to the funeral, if you didn't want to? Or should you choose to go, would it be okay if another close family member chose not to go?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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i went, and left as soon as possible, i wanted to go. but i believe its a personal thing, if one doesnt want to go, then whose to say that one should? thats just ridiculous to force someone to do something like that...


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this is the purpose

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: CleverName]
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Why did you go, if you didn't really want to go?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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read my post again, i wanted to go, but left as soon as possible, i didnt want to talk to anyone...she, my mother, asked me to go, if she wouldnt have asked i dont think i would have gone, i think she knew that, so she asked me before she passed...


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this is the purpose

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Honestly these age old rituals, like funerals have to go. Do you know how much funeral homes make, or gravestone makers? I mean good lord, its just another way to make money.

You pay $ousands to be born $ousands to die. Complete bullshit.

And even after life, your erect phallic symbol will be promently displayed in an area (called a graveyard) much better suited for, heck I dont know, HOUSING, or FARMING land, I mean c'mon!

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: CleverName]
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I have had several close friends and relatives die. Each time I sat through the funeral trying to look sad.

A cousin of mine, who has been a very big influence in my life, is currently suffering from brain cancer and is not expected to live out the year.

Just to give you some comparrison.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: CleverName]
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CleverName said:
read my post again, i wanted to go, but left as soon as possible, i didnt want to talk to anyone...she, my mother, asked me to go, if she wouldnt have asked i dont think i would have gone, i think she knew that, so she asked me before she passed...


Clever, I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but why did you go?


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Ooo yeah they're so fantastic! I always have a great time at them.

I help put the FUN in Funeral!

lol honestly though I don't enjoy them at all, but I think it is nice to go if it was a loved one who's family you'll still see around - this way their family isn't like "fuck that person they didn't go to Susan's funeral.."


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Scolecite]
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Scolecite said:
Honestly these age old rituals, like funerals have to go. Do you know how much funeral homes make, or gravestone makers? I mean good lord, its just another way to make money.

You pay $ousands to be born $ousands to die. Complete bullshit.

And even after life, your erect phallic symbol will be promently displayed in an area (called a graveyard) much better suited for, heck I dont know, HOUSING, or FARMING land, I mean c'mon!


I SOOOOO agree with you!


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: trendal]
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trendal said:
I have had several close friends and relatives die. Each time I sat through the funeral trying to look sad.

A cousin of mine, who has been a very big influence in my life, is currently suffering from brain cancer and is not expected to live out the year.

Just to give you some comparrison.


I appreciate the comparison.

Why did you go to the funeral, if you had to sit there and "look" sad?


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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To please others...


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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a few reasons; closure, my father and brother needed me, my mom asked me...i told her i would and i wasnt about to break the last promise i made to her.
now, i do also believe that funerals these days are ridiulous and its ashame that its so expensive...when i die i want a celebration of my life, not a depressing gathering of my death. i dont want my family to waste money on a casket or a grave site for me. i know it doesnt really matter, but id like ito be cremated and my ashes spread in the ocean...


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this is the purpose

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: trendal]
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I don't get going to a funeral, or really, the celebration of a life that ended, just to please others.

Please expound. I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass. (P.I.T.A.) I'm trying to understand. (But I do have another point to prove.)


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Probably for much the same reasons that CleverName went to his mother's funeral.

In one case I had family members, whom I do care about, who were quite obviously sad and heartbroken over the death of someone we were all close to. In those cases I went to support them in their time of need. I may not like or enjoy funerals...but I am not above a little self-sacrifice to help people I care about.

In the case of my friend's death, I again went in hopes I could aid in the healing of my other friends who did take his death quite hard as well as hopefully his family.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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a funeral isnt just about one person its about family and friends too.
other people need you sometimes, but if one really was too emotional to go, then one shouldnt if he pleases. i had to be a pillar of support for others, and them for me, i guess it comes down to personal feelings and emotions...


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this is the purpose

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: trendal]
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I'm going to wait for 3 whole days before I post my reasoning for posting this thread. (Apropos MM)


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Someone should remind me when 3 days is up...

I already asked my friend to remind me what it is I'm trying to prove with this thread.  :grin:


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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if you are to go to a funeral, at least have one that celebrates life, not mourning.  people mourn because they have some kind of fear implimented in them.  I bet you poeple at a funeral ask themselves the question "when am I next?"

It is these types of questions that serve as a "wake up call" for some.

I personally detest funerals, the last thing I want to be remembered by is something that cost a lot, an a big box with a limp body.

then again, there are those situations where there's a child who died, in which case, um...i dunno  that one is a toss up for me since I 'believe" that it is tragic when a very young person dies.  :grin:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: kaiowas]
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Would you go to the funeral? And if so, how would you handle it once you were there? Would you pretend to be sad? Happy? What?


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I"ve been to many of them, including one for my friend (car accident). i was younger then too, and I was really upset about it.

now I wouldn't go to a funeral. if anything I will visit the family off and on throught a couple of weeks. that's how I show my support of others. again, the dead need nothing else here, but the living do.


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: kaiowas]
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But if the dead person didn't need anything, why would you visit those still living?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Strumpling]
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Strumpling said:
Ooo yeah they're so fantastic! I always have a great time at them.

I help put the FUN in Funeral!

lol honestly though I don't enjoy them at all, but I think it is nice to go if it was a loved one who's family you'll still see around - this way their family isn't like "fuck that person they didn't go to Susan's funeral.."


I almost missed this one.  :grin:

Why go, just because it's a loved one who's family you'll still see around?  So what if they discard you if you don't go?


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The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.  -Teilard

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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um...I guess because I care about people. yeah that's it. I care. uh huh.

personally I don't see a reason to answer this but


say you knew someone who died, and you knew their family and vice versa then yeah out of RESPECT alone I would visit them to see how things are doing. try to bring a smile along ya know!


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I personally don't believe in funerals, because they mourn the death of a body and (supposedly) the death of a person/soul. But I do not believe life can have an end, because I don't believe it has a beginning, so I certainly don't believe a lifeless corpse is reason to think a soul is dead. It's a continuous cycle, with no beginning and no end. Sorry if I articulated that poorly, I'm hungry and I get cranky when I'm hungry, I just want to go eat.

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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A funeral marks the end of a life.

I personally dont like the typical funerals, the graveyard, the wake, the ceremony at the funeral home... Wtf is that? A funeral home? How morbid can you get?

That alone creeps me out. When someone dies, i think people should give notice of the fact... Ever since i learned the burial rights of the vikings, pushing their dead on ships into the ocean, then setting them on fire.

Its kind of like, the shore of life, once you have traveled the great distance to see all the land, you arive at the beach, and the water marks the end. But in the water is the place where souls go.

The way i think they burry people is morbid too, why in the ground? In these expensive "coffins"? Whats the deal with that?

I personally, would want to be returned bit by bit to the earth, give myself back to the land, let my matter dissolve back into the planet. Why waste the wood? Why waste the money and metal?

Not only is it morbid, but it seems limiting. Burn me on a pyre and let my ashes blow in the wind to the sea. Whats dark about that? The family can let go of me, as the earth takes me back, instead of seeing me shoved into a section of the earth to have my body mumified as a part of some unchanging relic... No, i would have liked to have seen the funerals i have been to more free, more embracing of the changing cycle.

I didnt see catharsis, maybe thats why we should get together, so we can help eachother purge the emotions. And on a grand level, let them pass in remembereance, but in reverance of the ever changing life.

Observe death, and appreciate life.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Zero7a1]
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I think they put dead people in coffins because they get stinky after a while..

And Frog, you'd replied "Why go, just because it's a loved one who's family you'll still see around? So what if they discard you if you don't go?"

For my own selfish reasons - I don't like making people angry (most of the time)


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I believe a funeral is the last chance to be physically near someone one loves, or cares for, or just enjoyed being with. I can't let that last chance go because I believe its all I have. If I knew for a fact there was an afterlife, I might skip a funeral here or there. But I'm convinced this life is all there is. Peace


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Zero7a1]
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well put


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I recently attended a funeral of a friend out of obligation. If I hadn't gone all my friends (who went) would've considered me out of the loop or something, they didn't understand the unnecessity of the funeral. They thought I was afraid of accepting it or something. I was dealing with it in my own happy way which didn't involve seeing his bloated corpse on display for all to weep. The fact the guy died didn't bother me at all, I felt sorry for the family and what they had to go through. The man will be missed and I did/do respect him. After the funeral we walked down the street in 20 degree weather over snow & slick slick ice. We waited in the graveyard for an hour, freezing to death (sorry bout the pun) waiting for this. So many people looked horribly depressed, that's what made it worse.
Personally I don't want people to have to suffer any more than they might already when I die.

I don't want to have a funeral. Sure it's tradition, sure it'll help people get closure, but for my funeral I want a BIG party thrown. Like BIG. Live band/DJ with dancin' music, lotso berr (that's alchohol) and good times. It would be a way to celebrate my life and provide closure with one event. Lesse; Party/Funeral... Party/Funeral.. which to choose?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Zero7a1]
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well put indeed.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: KackleDude]
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well my great granpa just died and that didnt bother me. Im not bothered when people die. Death is the greatest part of the human experience. Sure i will mis them...but the other side of it greatly outwieghts that. So i wasent sad at the funeral for my grandpa dieing. And mind you after my first dose of LSD stuff makes me want to cry, if its beutiful or if its horrible...i want to cry. But death is not horrible unless it happned in a horrible way...and its really not that sad to me unless i actually saw the horrer.

anyway, so the death didnt bother me. But sitting there watching my grandma cry...now that got to me. I almost couldent hold back the tears...she is the greatest women ive ever met and it just broke my heart to see her drying. So we stayed with her for a little over a week and left yesterday...and we had to leave her at her house by herself and she knew she had ot do it sometimes and so did we...but she was crying as we went out the door and i almost couldent take it...i just had to hurry up and walk right out the door...i just cant bare to look at my grandma sit there and cry. Breaks my heart.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Strumpling]
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I help put the FUN in Funeral!

Are you the same person who put the FUN back in Fundamentalism?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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why wait three days man? go ahead and make your point now, cuz im starting to get a little curious. you keep asking the same questions, and getting the same answers.

ya, funerals suck, personally i would prefer not to go to them. but just recently both my grandmother and a cousin of mine died within a little over a month of each other. my family was a wreck. i went, out of respect for the people still alive who dont feel the same way about these things as i do. i care about my family, and i care about my friends. and i will be there in their time of need, even if it means going to some stupid funeral. when my grandmother died, it didnt really set in. for the most part, it still hasnt. i wake up in the morning and half expect her to be in the kitchen watching tv. i moved in with my grandparents shortly before she died. to help my grandfather take care of her, and offer what support to him/her i possibly could in her last days. i now stay, to offer my grandfather a little companionship. he would not last long living all by himself after losing a wife of over 50 yrs. but at the funeral, it kinda hit me....ya, shes dead.

so ya, you shouldnt be forced to go to them....if you wanna go, go. of you dont, dont. its as simple as that. i went cuz i felt that i should go to them to offer support to my family and friends, to let them know that though they just lost someone they loved, they are not alone.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I've never went to a funeral, and I've had oppurtunities when I was younger, my uncle and my great grandparents... but I was a lot younger then and I don't really remember why I didn't go, fear I guess.

Anyways, I haven't recently had an oppurtunity to decide whether or not I would go to one. I don't think I would want to... but maybe I would. I'm pretty neutral on this now. I mean, if my mom or dad, step mom, or any of my siblings or my grandma or grandpa died, I would go. I would pretty much have no choice, I would be a close relative that shared a lot of my life with them.

At any rate, as for myself, I wouldn't want a traditional funeral. I'd want to be put on a small Viking ship that was sent out into the sea on fire. Everyone would be on shore and would watch as I float out... it would probably have a lot more meaning than being buried. Of course, if it wasn't really possible to do that, I'd like to have my ashes spread in some sea or river...

On a side note, is having a tombstone set up for someone that is buried a monument to their life? Is it out of some ego trip, you know, "I once lived!"... or is it just a sign that says "Hey, he who passes, here lies a dead guy, don't dig a well here"?
Peace.


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I'm going to wait for 3 whole days before I post my reasoning for posting this thread. (Apropos MM)

My horoscope says I will be "gone" before then.  :crying:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Swami]
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I don't see the point in sad funerals either, other than a way of closure. Going to a funeral with the intent of getting closure for yourself is, quite frankly, sad and terribly egotistical, because it belittles what this person has meant and shows your desire to forget about them.
I can never be sad or even worse - cry - at a funeral, simply because I somehow know they're in a state of peace wherever they are. One time at a funeral, I almost starting laughing out loud, because I'd just remembered a moment with the recently deceased person that was hilarious. It should be okay to laugh, dance and sing at a funeral, because if you don't celebrate what this person has meant to you, why get together anyway? All you'll see is how many other people will need that person who's no longer around, and as I've said before, it's selfish.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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some other personal feelings i had: i wasnt sad that she died, but was broken up due to her suffering..its was almost a relief when she let go...the hardest thing in the world for me is to watch people suffer, especially someone so close as a mother...
sure, i miss her, but im happy that shes no longer in pain, thats the main thing


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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im going to pour out some of my soul for this post:

death is a great event. so long as it is not imminent, we cling to ourselves and our lives in chronic anxiety, however pushed into the back of the mind. but when the time comes where clinging is no longer of the least avail, the circumstances are ideal for letting go of oneself completely. when this happens, the individual is released from ones ego-prison. in the normal course of events this is the goden opportunity for awakening into the knowledge that ones actual self i the Self which plays the universe-an occasion for great rejoicing. but as customs now prevail, nurse and relatives come around with smilingmasks, assuring the patient that he/she will soon get over it. worse still, physicians have neither the role nor the training for handling death. the physician is supposed to put off death at all costs-including the life savings of the patient and his/her family. id rther die ten years too early than ten minutes too late--too late and too decrepit or drugged, to seize the opportunity to let oneslf go, to let go of myself. as we now regard death this reads like a prescription for a nightmare. but the constant awareness of death shows thw world to be as flowing and diaphanous as the filmy patterns of blue smoke in the air-that there really is nothing to clutch and no-one to clutch it. this is deppressing only so long as there remains a notion that there might be some way of fixing it, of putting it off just once more, or hoping that one has, or is, some kind of ego-soul that will survive bodily dissolution. (im not saying that there is no personal continuity beyond death--only that beieving in it keeps us in bondage.)
there is no more sayingthat we ought not fear death than saying that we ought to be unsefish. suppressing the fear of death makes it all the stronger. the point is only to know, beyond any shadow of doubt, that "i" and all other "things" now present will vanish, until this knowledge compels you to release them--to know it now as surely as if you had just fallen off the rim of the grand canyon. indeed, you were kicked off the edge of a precipice when you were born, and its no help to cling to the rocks falling with you. if you are afrid of death, be afraid. the point is ti get with it, to let it take over-fer, ghosts, pains, transience, dissolution, and all. And then comes the hitherto unbelievable surprise; you dont die because you were never born. you had just forgotten who you are.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I believe in Funerals and would attend them out of RESPECT. Respect for the deceased.
Simple as that.



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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I havent' read the whole thread, so i may be repeating someone.

You go to the funeral for several reasons, depending on how the departed is related to you in terms of friendship or familial ties.

1) You have a duty to the departed's loved ones to support them in their time of need.

2) It's a gesture of respect for the departed and their families.


I cried at the funeral of a friend's grandfather not because of the grandfather's passing. I'd never met the man. I cried because my friend was so clearly in pain, and he still managed to stand up and speak clearly, he gave the most beautiful eulogy I've ever heard. I was there to support him, and to show respect for his grieving family. That's what a funeral is about to me.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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Okay, but isn't this forum about taking ideas to the next level? An important question to ask is why people grieve about the deceased, IMO.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Alan Stone]
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That is easy: because on the deepest level, the religious (generally) don't really believe what they claim to believe. Their faith is more like an overcoat thrown on than an integral part of their being. This facade falls away when faced with such an existential crisis as losing a loved one.

I have often noted that the agnostic, atheist and religious, all wail with equal fervor in the face of death.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Swami]
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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Indeed, respect, not for the dead. For the living. Those still engulfed in the illusion that is set up will need comfort and projected guidance to inner peace. It is necessary for those who have found true peace to offer it to them. Reflect the faults of man-kind with kindness and the world shall know peace. That is why anything should be celebrated.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: ]
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Thinking that being a Christian makes us superhuman is an egregious error in many ways.

Certainly never thought that nor did I mention Christians. Isn't this the type of strawman that you despise?

Here is what I do know: if I truly "knew" that someone I cared deeply for was going to be free from all suffering and struggling and be in total bliss forever, I certainly would not be grieving, I would be celebrating.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Here is what I do know: if I truly "knew" that someone I cared deeply for was going to be free from all suffering and struggling and be in total bliss forever, I certainly would not be grieving, I would be celebrating.


That's how I feel about death. I'd rather celebrate the death, that the person is ... do I dare say it? ... in a better place. I or someone will miss that person, but isn't it good to move on? To be in a place where you would now have a better understanding of what we were doing while we were here?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Quote:
I or someone will miss that person, but isn't it good to move on?




alot of people use funerals for this...they kinda make the death final in their minds....


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: wrestler_az]
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Tomorrow is the big day!  Stay tuned!  I promise to piss all of you off!  :grin:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Swami]
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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: ]
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i think the "knew" was refering to the implied christian's views....they "know" cuz the bible says so....yet, when their loved ones die, they greive...rather than celebrate the fact they are now free from all this crap here on earth...


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: wrestler_az]
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Some of us are just rather selfish, when it comes to losing loved ones. A part of you really doesn't want to let go... not that it's right, but that's the way it is for some people. I know when my great grandmother died I was very sad, not because she was a wonderful lady so much as because I knew I would never see her here again. I went to the funeral to finalize that fact in my head, as wrestler az said...

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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> I think that funerals are for the living, not for the dead.

Having lost several close family members, I have been to more funerals than I would care to think about. For me they provided a final sense of closure. I regret not going to the ones I skipped.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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4 days ere up, thought I'd bump it for you.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: KackleDude]
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The forum was down the night before last, and then yesterday was a really busy day. I'll have the stuff here by tonight that I was going to piss everybody off with.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Scolecite]
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A few years years ago I called the Dept. of Cellular Biology at the University of Miami for paperwork to will my body to science. They responded in such a way as to convey the message to me: 'Think this through,' as if I were making a big mistake. Apparently, they get unidentified transients for their cadavers. Now, [tongue-in-cheek] I originally began my academic career with a mind to go to medical school. This is a way to go to medical school, only I be instructing, not learning, and be at the business end of the scalpel. They never sent me the paperwork.

Perhaps I'll try again, or just make plans for cremation. It is only a superstitious sensibility that wants to treat my corpse 'nicely.' It is a childish thought that says 'Hey, I'll run out of air in a coffin,' or 'Yikes! being burned to cinders in a gas-fired oven has got to hurt.' If  I have such vestigal thoughts from childhood, I wonder how many others have them and are motivated by them.The Plains Indians have 'sky burials,' where bodies are wrapped in skins or blankets and placed on platforms several feet in the air. Now THAT sounds pleasant to me (providing vultures don't eat my eye-balls  :smile:  )


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Some people think that if their bodies are cremated, and if there is such thing as "life after death", they won't have their bodies to run around in any more.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: psyka]
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Yes. I like the way you put this. Nevertheless, Compassion Wisdom - the skill of balancing attachment and detachment - is a rare phenomenon among most of us humans.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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would they be against organ donation?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: SpecialEd]
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That's a good question. I don't know. I've only spoken to a few people who feel or believe this way. Next time I speak to someone who doesn't wanted to be incinerated, I'll ask that question!


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Before or after?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I read somewhere that in New Orleans people get lead coffins so the rats can't chew through that shit.

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
I read somewhere that in New Orleans people get lead coffins so the rats can't chew through that shit.


It also protects agansit mutant zombies in the case of nuclear war.

:lol:
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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: fireworks_god]
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Actually, cnn did a story about how lead coffins are ineffectual against mutant zombies. The anchor said it was very unlikely that lead could stop them.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: SpecialEd]
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The anchor doesn't even know what he is talking about.. he sure as hell couldn't hold that boat in one place, after all.  :rolleyes:

The lead couldn't stop the mutant zombies or the radiation from turning them into mutant zombies? :grin:

Anyways, back on topic, Frog, you are being very neglectant of this thread. Its been like five days now.. We want Frog! We want Frog! We want Frog! We want Frog!  :eek:
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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: fireworks_god]
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Okay, sorry it took so long, but as I said, the forum was down and then I got busy.

A fact can't be argued. It is either right or wrong. But opinions may not always be fully ?fact-based?, and therefore arguing about them becomes futile. And then criticizing each other for our different beliefs, in a ridiculing manner, is harmful to any discussion.

I can argue that my favorite color is blue. You might say it?s a stupid color to have as a favorite color, and that I should prefer red, for reasons you may cite. I may not come back with any good reason for liking ?blue? except that it?s a personal preference.

I?ve never seen a Christian come on this forum and criticize the nonbelievers for not beliving. I?m wondering why the nonbelievers feel a need to criticize Christians for their beliefs.

The discussion on funerals was handled with respect, with each member simply stating his preference for attending, not attending, what death meant, etc. Why can?t discussion on belief in God be handled the same way?

I thought this discussion was the best discussion on personal beliefs that I have ever seen on this forum.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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i agree frog well put! :thumbup:


then again you came in and made a shifty remark towards shrooms on another thread followed by this emoticon  :rolleyes:

this is the rolling of the eyes which is critisizing

furthermore, shrooms didn't have anything to do with the thread you posted that remark on!  soundsl ike you have an issue with people who do drugs. . and it's ok

we all have issues with different thigs, and sooner or later we are bound to criticize.  just try to limit it as much as we can and realize that a lot of our ideas are a bunch of pre-concieved notions espcially dealing with right or wrong *nudge nudge* :wink:.  this is why psychedelics kick ass! 

a conversation is like a big stew of ideas.just add a hint of understanding with clarity, and the broth will taste better.


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: kaiowas]
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No, no, no! That's not what I was doing! Sheesh. Now I have to go read what I wrote so I can refute your statement. *sighs*


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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the post was about genetics and altering dna, and you said said something about shrooms out of the blue.  this is a remark that doesn't help at all

furthermore rolling the eyes at least to me doesn't look like a kidding around thing.

when I kid at least I use this  :wink: or  :grin:

hehe

and like I said, it's ok to do this.  lol who am I do say it isn't
you don't have to explain yourself, tis all good

i like you anyways for your honesty so  :razz:

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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: kaiowas]
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kaiowas said:
then again you came in and made a shifty remark towards shrooms on another thread followed by this emoticon  :rolleyes:

this is the rolling of the eyes which is critisizing

furthermore, shrooms didn't have anything to do with the thread you posted that remark on!  soundsl ike you have an issue with people who do drugs. . and it's ok

we all have issues with different thigs, and sooner or later we are bound to criticize.  just try to limit it as much as we can and realize that a lot of our ideas are a bunch of pre-concieved notions espcially dealing with right or wrong *nudge nudge* :wink:.  this is why psychedelics kick ass! 

a conversation is like a big stew of ideas.just add a hint of understanding with clarity, and the broth will taste better.


What I posted on the other thread:  "Well, then, none of you would need to take shrooms any more, once you started seeing people flying.  :rolleyes:  "

This was a joke!  The connection between the rolling eyes and taking shrooms was that if you saw people flying, you wouldn't need to take shrooms! 

Listen, don't read anything into my posts.  I usually say exactly what I think.  No more, no less.  If I offend, you should ask me first what I meant.  I apologize if I gave the impression of criticizing people who take shrooms.  I really have nothing against people who do that.  Why would I be posting on this forum, if so? 

In the words of fireworks:  "Peace"  :grin:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: kaiowas]
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kaiowas said:
rolling the eyes at least to me doesn't look like a kidding around thing.

when I kid at least I use this  :wink: or  :grin:

hehe

and like I said, it's ok to do this.  lol who am I do say it isn't
you don't have to explain yourself, tis all good

i like you anyways for your honesty so  :razz:

:wink: :grin:


Okay, I'm going back to put a :grin:, because I would never want any of you to think I'm criticizing you.  But I meant "rolling eyes".  I feel like I can post the "rolling eyes" because I am part of this forum, too.  I've never criticized anyone for using shrooms.  I've read the posts, and I stay out of those discussions because I don't use shrooms, and I'm not critical of those who do.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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:lol:




yeah I can't judge tone at all(that's what is great about computers), it was only the rolling eyes thingy, or as it is called emoticon :laugh:.  know that I only speak for myself, though I guess I didn't elaborate well enough on that part. it is important like you said to keep an open mind

but then again who am i to say what works for everyone else...  :stoned: 

" Why would I be posting on this forum, if so?"

:lol:  um.......hehe


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

Edited by kaiowas (02/13/04 04:47 PM)

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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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This is a lot of work because I keep forgetting which thread has that statement on it.    :crazy:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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but good things come of out things you work for.  when great difficulty is overcomed, you will be that much stronger.  nothing should really be difficult IMHO

*though I am notorius for making things difficult* :grin:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: kaiowas]
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Okay, it's fixed. And really, I'm glad you called it to my attention because if one of you was offended by it, others probably were, also.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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:frown:  no offence taken, ever.

:lol: if I get offended that's my own damn fault :lol:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: kaiowas]
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Yer cool, kaiowas.  :heart:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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ah yes, but it's my avatar that's cooler!!!


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I believe that death is something we don't understand yet. We don't know if that loved one(or not) who died will go to a better place. He may be eternally stuck in this coffin that we made for him. So I personally can only speculate using my critical ability, which of course was created and grown by stereotypes like that of death , so it wouldn't be an impassionate opinion.

Funerals are a custom which was created by the living, to say the final goodbye to their loved ones and further honor them for what they have done in life by spending that time there in that ceremony. If one does not want to go for any possible reasons, it is her/his right, yes it may cause discomfort and may make the others a bit angry, but it is a personal matter as much as it is a common so they shouldn't jugde this persons final decision anyway.

When my grandparents died, I was not allowed by my father to go to the funeral because I was only 13 years old and my brother almost 10 years old. I can now see that although I was angry then, my father took the right decision a decision which was subconciously and not only nailed to my father's mind because his father...allowed him to go to his mother funeral at the age of 13. (If it seems like a paradox, let me tell you that my grandfather had another marriage.)

So the whole thing is subjective and thus varies from the individual observer's point of view... :wink:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Shroomerious]
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I don't like to go to funerals. For one thing, they're really boring. For another, I don't believe that the person whose spirit left is still in that dead body.

I think funerals are for the living, so they can say good-bye, have closure, etc.

If someone really needed to go to the funeral of a loved one, and needed ME, specifically, to go with him/her, I would go, to offer support.

However, I am the type who would forget that a funeral is a solemn occasion, and I might act too happy, and I might even laugh. I hate when that happens, because then people get mad at me. I'm not good at acting sad, and I'm not good at remembering to be sad, or quiet, or whatever.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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I think that there is a possibility for the body to remain in the body after a person dies, and if this is true, and it is a loved one, I wouldn't want to make him/her feel more sad than she/he already is.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Shroomerious]
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The body is dead. No pulse. No breath.

I'm not trying to challenge you, but what makes you think that there might still be "something" in the body, or something that comprises the person that is still there, when someone dies?

What do you think we are, that we are still us after death?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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First of all I like challenges. But I did a mistake. Instead of :

" think that there is a possibility for the body to remain in the body after a person dies"

I meant:

" think that there is a possibility for the spirit to remain in the body after a person dies"

And I do not know what happens after death, and I think that you don't know too so we can only speculate... you may be eternally stuck in the coffin. You can not prove me wrong and neither can I. So what I'm saying is that if this sad thing happens and the spirit is till alive, then I think that this person would be happy to see us, and this is why I go visit some people in the cemetery once in a while.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Shroomerious]
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That sounds horrible, Shroomerious, and I'm glad you're not God!

Seriously, I can imagine that what you have described would be hell. Absence of God. The spirit staying in the body after death, and having to live in a decaying corpse as the spirit that is you.

I cannot imagine that existence for those who are going to be with God, if there is a God.

So, do you not believe in God? Is this why you believe we stay in our bodies? Why do you think that people stay in the body? What set you on this course of thinking?

We all have our opinions of what will happen when we die, but those opinions are based on something we've experienced, read, been told, etc., during the course of our lives.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Frog, I really don't know what to say. I think I made myself pretty clear.

-I was speaking about that possibility.
-I don't know if god exists or what/who it is and what are his/hers real intentions if it does exist. We have talked about this in the past.
-You can only speculate for the existance of god, you don't have real proof.

First you are saying :

I cannot imagine that existence for those who are going to be with God, if there is a God.

and then:

So, do you not believe in God? Is this why you believe we stay in our bodies?

First you have to define god, so I can answer in if I believe. And I am saying again that I was talking about that possibility.

I am glad that you can not imagine that, as you say, but I can, and in this unfortunate case, people there in the cemetery would be happy to see me.

Also, : Shroomerious, and I'm glad you're not God!

Did I ever say that I want a thing like this to happen? I really can't get it. Or I suppose you again forgot to put the little smiley.......


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Shroomerious]
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Okay, I was joking when I said "I'm glad you're not God".  Yes, I should have put a smiley face. 

The rest of it, I'll have to go back and re-read what you wrote, and what I wrote.  I have a feeling I offended you, and that was not my intent.  I thought I was engaging you in a discussion on your beliefs, and I reallly was just curious as to your beliefs.

I apologize if I offended you.  I really am sorry.  I offended kaiowas yesterday or day before.  Didn't mean to do that either.

So, tomorrow, not tonight, I'll go back and re-read and see where I erred, and try to clear it up.  K? 

Was going to be a smart-ass and write: "----> :grin: obligatory smiley face! but I've offended enough for one week, just in case it's misinterpreted.


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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You did not offend me, I think there was just a misunderstanding of what I wrote. When you have time read it through... :thumbup:


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Shroomerious]
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Okay, I think that when I responded to your post where you said you don't mind challenges, I was just talking, but it might sound like I was somehow going after you or your beliefs, or somehow attacking you or ridiculing you. And then I added what I thought was funny "glad you're not God", but no smiley face thingy.

I said "glad you're not God" because at first read, it sounded like you were saying that you believed for sure that that's what happens. It was a stupid joke, in retrospect, because you are just saying "maybe" that's what happens.

I appreciate your thoughts that it's possible that the person/spirit might still be there. I hope not, but I could see what you're saying. Who's to say whether I'm right or wrong, or if you're right or wrong. But if the person is still in his body, what a relief to have visitors.

Have I cleared this up at all?


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Re: No, really, "DEATH" [Re: Frog]
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Totally.


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