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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Awebig Throy] * 2
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Awebig Throy said:
Well... Equating Trump with Hitler does make you opinion seem pretty superficial.  They share being generally bad people, willing to disrupt the entire world and cause mass suffering.. but the likeness pretty well ends there. 

Hitler was a vicious, battle hardened WW1 vet, devoted ideolog who gained the respect and adoration of his entire nation through beer halls and grass roots political movements.  He was politically capable of resurrecting a pariah nation from destitution to general wealth and well being, then brought all of Europe into it's most devastating war AND systematically murdered millions of people.


This is simply false. Hitler rose to power when the Nazi Party won 37% of the vote. Him becoming chancellor was a political deal...not a populist election.  After becoming chancellor, elections were single party affairs and not elections at all.  To say that he "gained the respect and adoration of his entire nation" is ridiculous.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
Near Dylan said:
It would be ignorant not to make the comparisons. Almost their whole strat is right out of the nazi playbook.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/us/politics/trump-officials-letter-fascist-john-kelly.html

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/12/mussolini-trump-hitler-john-kelly-jim-sciutto-book


That only works to their advantage these days. They act like making that comparison has been cheapened. Meanwhile they made that comparison Obama's whole presidency because he made a lot of executive orders.


That comparison is just as fucking stupid.

The comparison does abstract and reduce political literacy.  They are very different things.  If we are going to navigate any power towards the people, it is going to be by improving political intelligence and ability to debate... Not partisanship.. not hyperbole.. REASON and articulation of complex social issues will give power to up and coming communicators to become leaders.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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My point remains.  Hitler and Trump are drastically different leaders, from drastically different backgrounds, who came to power in drastically different ways.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Awebig Throy] * 1
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No one is comparing their backgrounds.  The comparison is based on their conduct.  If you're saying the conduct is drastically different, you're simply wrong.  Trump is very clearly moving toward dictatorship and has stated his intention to do so.  Trump has enacted fascist policies and will continue to do so. Trump has used hitler's tried-and-true method of lying to the public in order to increase his power.

Trump has even claimed Greenland and Canada as his own.  This is precisely what Hitler did with Austria.  That it hasn't fully come to fruition isn't because Trump changed his mind...


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
Trump has used hitler's tried-and-true method of lying to the public in order to increase his power.




...and will continue to do so

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Awebig Throy]
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Pointing out comparisons of americas hitler to germanys is not partisan but is good political intelligence and ability to debate.  When true, it is not hyperbole.  It would be more hyperbole to try and hide the comparisons.

I mean, when the shoe fits and we know the outcome from history, hiding it will do no good.  It is not over yet.  It is not the guy saying I love trump but lets try something different that is going to be the communicator that is going to lead.  It is going to be the guy who says we will tear down his reichstag ball room that is going to be the communicator you speak of becoming leaders.

Edited by gww (09/23/26 07:54 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Awebig Throy said:
Well... Equating Trump with Hitler does make you opinion seem pretty superficial.  They share being generally bad people, willing to disrupt the entire world and cause mass suffering.. but the likeness pretty well ends there. 

Hitler was a vicious, battle hardened WW1 vet, devoted ideolog who gained the respect and adoration of his entire nation through beer halls and grass roots political movements.  He was politically capable of resurrecting a pariah nation from destitution to general wealth and well being, then brought all of Europe into it's most devastating war AND systematically murdered millions of people.


This is simply false. Hitler rose to power when the Nazi Party won 37% of the vote. Him becoming chancellor was a political deal...not a populist election.  After becoming chancellor, elections were single party affairs and not elections at all.  To say that he "gained the respect and adoration of his entire nation" is ridiculous.



Who would you rather have babysit your kids, Hitler or Lindsey Clancy

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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Lowbrow?  Is that you, do you have two accounts?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww] * 1
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gww said:
Pointing out comparisons of americas hitler to germanys is not partisan but is good political intelligence and ability to debate.  When true, it is not hyperbole.  It would be more hyperbole to try and hide the comparisons.

I mean, when the shoe fits and we know the outcome from history, hiding it will do no good.  It is not over yet.  It is not the guy saying I love trump but lets try something different that is going to be the communicator that is going to lead.  It is going to be the guy who says we will tear down his reichstag ball room that is going to be the communicator you speak of becoming leaders.



well when 2028 comes around, and we haven't had an american hitler, be sure to help the democrats kill off a bunch of people then blame it on trump. at this point that is more likely than trump actually going about and committing a genocide.

I mean the democrats literally made something a felony AFTER trump did it and then charged him with 34 counts of it and tried to put him in jail for it. Meanwhile, not 3 years prior Hilary Clinton did it and got a 180,000$ slap on the wrist. I would say that is almost as corrupt as a crypto rug pull scheme

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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Trump is dragging the entire planet off the cliff towards WW3 because of his unswerving fealty to Israel, so words having some form of meaning attached to them matters. Calling the man who is sacrificing the wellbeing of everyone around the world on behalf of Jewish-suppremacist zionists Hitler is just comically terrible optics and not an astute or sharp observation at all. It's about as emotionally intelligent as calling him a big stinky poopy meanie head.

The ability to speak with nuance about abstract ideas and concepts without everything becoming the mustache man is the difference between serious people dismissing a movement or hearing you out.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: True North]
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True North said:
Trump is dragging the entire planet off the cliff towards WW3 because of his unswerving fealty to Israel, so words having some form of meaning attached to them matters. Calling the man who is sacrificing the wellbeing of everyone around the world on behalf of Jewish-suppremacist zionists Hitler is just comically terrible optics and not an astute or sharp observation at all. It's about as emotionally intelligent as calling him a big stinky poopy meanie head.

The ability to speak with nuance about abstract ideas and concepts without everything becoming the mustache man is the difference between serious people dismissing a movement or hearing you out.



literally what got trump re-elected was the left calling trump hitler and most of the center and non-maga GOP who probably would've either sat out of the election or voted for a democrat that wasn't Kamala ended up voting for Trump. I'm sure you feel a smug sense of moral duty to call a man you feel is Hitler, Hitler. But since it doesn't resonate with most people, especially most rational people, you alienate them. I know its hard to wrap your head around, but that's how the world works.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 1
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I'm more concerned with truth than any sort of political strategy.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
I'm more concerned with truth than any sort of political strategy.


Truth is Trump isn't Hitler. He's been in political power for 10 years now, 6 of which he was president of the USA. Yes, he is retarded. No he hasn't done any Hitler-esque actions or policies.

But hey, be concerned with truth. How's that working out for you. Truth is,  pretending that Trump is Hitler is what kept him in power. He's been Hitler since Nov 5th 2015. It's a pathetic insult to throw around. Truthfully, these ridiculous accusations and moralistic grandstandings are basically the base of his power.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 3
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It's not an insult to compare him to Hitler.  It's a warning to those with eyes and rational thought that this is a dangerous path we're on. I'm not talking to the idiots who support him. They will never see until it's too late.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Awebig Throy] * 2
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Awebig Throy said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
Near Dylan said:
It would be ignorant not to make the comparisons. Almost their whole strat is right out of the nazi playbook.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/us/politics/trump-officials-letter-fascist-john-kelly.html

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/12/mussolini-trump-hitler-john-kelly-jim-sciutto-book


That only works to their advantage these days. They act like making that comparison has been cheapened. Meanwhile they made that comparison Obama's whole presidency because he made a lot of executive orders.


That comparison is just as fucking stupid.

The comparison does abstract and reduce political literacy.  They are very different things.  If we are going to navigate any power towards the people, it is going to be by improving political intelligence and ability to debate... Not partisanship.. not hyperbole.. REASON and articulation of complex social issues will give power to up and coming communicators to become leaders.


Idk man, trump does a lot of hitlerly things, he wants hitlers ballroom, he's suggested Muslims wear regalia to distinguish them from everyone else, he's basically turned ice into his gestapo, he pardoned his little jan 6th brown shirts....I could probably go on but trump is temu hitler basically.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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I'm just flabbergasted that this conversation is even in a thing in 2026. We have overwhelming, undeniable proof that the Israel lobby has full dominion over the US president, congress, and senate. We know that Mossad used pedophile rings to entrap the leading members of every influential layer of politics, finance, and media with blackmail to ensure perpetual servitude. Wtf are We even talking about?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: True North] * 2
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What does that have to do with it? Israel and jews are irrelevant to the discussion. It's also mostly bullshit conspiracy nuttery.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: True North]
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True North said:
Trump is dragging the entire planet off the cliff towards WW3 because of his unswerving fealty to Israel, so words having some form of meaning attached to them matters. Calling the man who is sacrificing the wellbeing of everyone around the world on behalf of Jewish-suppremacist zionists Hitler is just comically terrible optics and not an astute or sharp observation at all. It's about as emotionally intelligent as calling him a big stinky poopy meanie head.

The ability to speak with nuance about abstract ideas and concepts without everything becoming the mustache man is the difference between serious people dismissing a movement or hearing you out.


Maybe more should have called hitler "hitler" in 1937 or 38.  Been better then mass suiside that happened in 1945 when the supporters lost thier idenity.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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It's a bit difficult to bring up 20th century dictators without mentioning their views and policies on ethnic minorities.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: True North] * 2
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For you maybe. The comparison is about the ways in which he is and has eroded societal structure. Hitler used the jews as a tool to do that.  Trump is using immigrants. The identity of the scapegoat is irrelevant. It's about power.


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