Awebig Throy said:

Well... Equating Trump with Hitler does make you opinion seem pretty superficial.  They share being generally bad people, willing to disrupt the entire world and cause mass suffering.. but the likeness pretty well ends there. 

Hitler was a vicious, battle hardened WW1 vet, devoted ideolog who gained the respect and adoration of his entire nation through beer halls and grass roots political movements.  He was politically capable of resurrecting a pariah nation from destitution to general wealth and well being, then brought all of Europe into it's most devastating war AND systematically murdered millions of people.

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Sulfurshelfsean said:

Near Dylan said:

It would be ignorant not to make the comparisons. Almost their whole strat is right out of the nazi playbook.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/us/politics/trump-officials-letter-fascist-john-kelly.html

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/12/mussolini-trump-hitler-john-kelly-jim-sciutto-book

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That only works to their advantage these days. They act like making that comparison has been cheapened. Meanwhile they made that comparison Obama's whole presidency because he made a lot of executive orders.

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Enlil said:

Trump has used hitler's tried-and-true method of lying to the public in order to increase his power.

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Enlil said:

Awebig Throy said:

Well... Equating Trump with Hitler does make you opinion seem pretty superficial.  They share being generally bad people, willing to disrupt the entire world and cause mass suffering.. but the likeness pretty well ends there. 

Hitler was a vicious, battle hardened WW1 vet, devoted ideolog who gained the respect and adoration of his entire nation through beer halls and grass roots political movements.  He was politically capable of resurrecting a pariah nation from destitution to general wealth and well being, then brought all of Europe into it's most devastating war AND systematically murdered millions of people.

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This is simply false. Hitler rose to power when the Nazi Party won 37% of the vote. Him becoming chancellor was a political deal...not a populist election.  After becoming chancellor, elections were single party affairs and not elections at all.  To say that he "gained the respect and adoration of his entire nation" is ridiculous.

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gww said:

Pointing out comparisons of americas hitler to germanys is not partisan but is good political intelligence and ability to debate.  When true, it is not hyperbole.  It would be more hyperbole to try and hide the comparisons.

I mean, when the shoe fits and we know the outcome from history, hiding it will do no good.  It is not over yet.  It is not the guy saying I love trump but lets try something different that is going to be the communicator that is going to lead.  It is going to be the guy who says we will tear down his reichstag ball room that is going to be the communicator you speak of becoming leaders.

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True North said:

Trump is dragging the entire planet off the cliff towards WW3 because of his unswerving fealty to Israel, so words having some form of meaning attached to them matters. Calling the man who is sacrificing the wellbeing of everyone around the world on behalf of Jewish-suppremacist zionists Hitler is just comically terrible optics and not an astute or sharp observation at all. It's about as emotionally intelligent as calling him a big stinky poopy meanie head.

The ability to speak with nuance about abstract ideas and concepts without everything becoming the mustache man is the difference between serious people dismissing a movement or hearing you out.

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Enlil said:

I'm more concerned with truth than any sort of political strategy.

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Awebig Throy said:

Sulfurshelfsean said:

Near Dylan said:

It would be ignorant not to make the comparisons. Almost their whole strat is right out of the nazi playbook.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/us/politics/trump-officials-letter-fascist-john-kelly.html

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/12/mussolini-trump-hitler-john-kelly-jim-sciutto-book

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That only works to their advantage these days. They act like making that comparison has been cheapened. Meanwhile they made that comparison Obama's whole presidency because he made a lot of executive orders.

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That comparison is just as fucking stupid.

The comparison does abstract and reduce political literacy.  They are very different things.  If we are going to navigate any power towards the people, it is going to be by improving political intelligence and ability to debate... Not partisanship.. not hyperbole.. REASON and articulation of complex social issues will give power to up and coming communicators to become leaders.

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True North said:

Trump is dragging the entire planet off the cliff towards WW3 because of his unswerving fealty to Israel, so words having some form of meaning attached to them matters. Calling the man who is sacrificing the wellbeing of everyone around the world on behalf of Jewish-suppremacist zionists Hitler is just comically terrible optics and not an astute or sharp observation at all. It's about as emotionally intelligent as calling him a big stinky poopy meanie head.

The ability to speak with nuance about abstract ideas and concepts without everything becoming the mustache man is the difference between serious people dismissing a movement or hearing you out.

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