vicepope said:

Sulfurshelfsean said:

si=SNbbGizsCopvK043
17 tril unaccounted for.

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It seems you fail to see that trump speaks out of his ass. We dont import that much.

Most corrupt is funny. Teapot dome scandal anyone?

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FoolOfElysium said:

Sulfurshelfsean said:

FoolOfElysium said:

Sulfurshelfsean said:

Elyse is all nuance, no facts. In other words he just makes up what he feels is going on. Fascists are all about the feels, not about the facts.

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And *you* are all accusation, no discussion. Despite everyone here constantly tossing daggers my way, at least I *try* to make a conversation out of it.

In 2025, the losing arguments are the ones that do exactly what you're doing, which is ignoring the discussion itself and focusing on on the one pointing out the obvious. You're welcome to keep doing it, but outside of this echo-chamber, it's a losing strategy, so you might wanna roll up your sleeves and get some practice in, because the narrative is shifting and a lot of people here aren't gonna be able to handle it. Your personal attacks simply do not work any longer. Guilt and shame do not work any longer. The left has lost the cancel-culture war and are still blaming others because they've also completely lost the plot.

They won't silence us with the naysaying, they simply make us go harder.

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There's no conversation to be had with someone who denies reality.

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On the contrary, I talk to you people here all the time.

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FoolOfElysium said:

shivas.wisdom said:

FoolOfElysium said:

I'm not "justifying" fascist oppression, I'm saying you've been duped and it doesn't exist.

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Yes, and I see the absurdity in your attempted justification.

Active resistance is whatever you want it to be, but I would define it at the point where resistance activity/organizing becomes a priority in your life because it is recognized as necessary to protect basic human rights from government oppression. It's the difference between knowing you can call the police for help and forming a community self-defense network because the police are now a threat, for example.

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And surprise, surprise, since Antifa (and all their glorious funding) compromised the police in Portland, NOW the military is a threat. I wish them well with that one.

So allow me to rebut by saying, at some point it has also become recognized that Antifa and similar groups have such an "all-inclusive policy", they are not only willing to defend murderers, rapists, and human traffickers being deported of the country, but STAND side by side with them in the fight.

Antifa is such a LARP, because if protecting human rights rather than just smelling their own farts was the goal, they wouldn't leave chaos and/or destruction in their wake every where they go, they wouldn't intentionally disrupt the everyday lives of normal citizens just "because," they wouldn't destroy both public and private property, and they'd recognize that some of their allies are the most gross offenders of "basic human rights" imaginable and would support them being taken out of the country.

You don't win a "revolution" by pissing off the normies, but as I've said many times, Antifa is far too immature to realize how suicidal their tactics have been all along. They were lucky the government just sat back and watched for so long, but those days are over, and so is the illusion of any power they ever had.

FIGHTING for what you believe in isn't wrong, but being an agent of chaos that spreads to innocent people...  being a rampaging barbarian in the process is NOT.

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dinosaurs said:

fool once again conveniently ignoring the violence committed in charlie kirks name since he got clipped.  just two days ago two people were killed, with the perp saying the victims has said mean things about kirk.

fighting fascism is just about the most American thing you can do, including compromising and breaking those that support it, and there's a lot of good work being done on the topic.

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Enlil said:

If you're just bringing chaos, you're not fighting for anything, much less something you believe in.  Fighting for something specific is the opposite of chaos.

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Unless you're fighting for chaos

birdeatingspider said:

Am curious, how do you 'fight for what you believe in ' justifiably, without being an 'agent of chaos?'

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birdeatingspider said:

Could seriously go on, but I am curious how you view these tragedies, Elysium?
Do you just look the other way, or are they somehow justified?

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shivas.wisdom said:

Enlil said:

If you're just bringing chaos, you're not fighting for anything, much less something you believe in.  Fighting for something specific is the opposite of chaos.

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Unless you're fighting for chaos

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Age of Sigmar!!?!

I play Adepta Sororitas.

Well, at least I have an army, been ages since I actually played…

SARAtonin said:

shivas.wisdom said:

Enlil said:

If you're just bringing chaos, you're not fighting for anything, much less something you believe in.  Fighting for something specific is the opposite of chaos.

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Unless you're fighting for chaos

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Age of Sigmar!!?!

I play Adepta Sororitas.

Well, at least I have an army, been ages since I actually played…

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birdeatingspider said:

Pro-life MAGA folk can easily pivot and say the shutdown was due to not wanting to continue the ACA/Obamacare tax credits.
Meaning everyone's Healthcare premiums may inflate by threefold.
Meaning combined with those getting kicked off Medicaid via the Big Beautiful Bill, an estimated 50,000 will perish each year because they have no health coverage.
https://www.finance.senate.gov/ranking-members-news/51000-americans-will-die-every-year-as-a-direct-result-of-republican-health-plan-new-analysis

Trumps 'spiritual advisor' was recently arrested for molesting a 12 year old.
IIRC, he will spend 6 grueling months in prison.

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TrancedOutBrah said:

birdeatingspider said:

Pro-life MAGA folk can easily pivot and say the shutdown was due to not wanting to continue the ACA/Obamacare tax credits.
Meaning everyone's Healthcare premiums may inflate by threefold.
Meaning combined with those getting kicked off Medicaid via the Big Beautiful Bill, an estimated 50,000 will perish each year because they have no health coverage.
https://www.finance.senate.gov/ranking-members-news/51000-americans-will-die-every-year-as-a-direct-result-of-republican-health-plan-new-analysis

Trumps 'spiritual advisor' was recently arrested for molesting a 12 year old.
IIRC, he will spend 6 grueling months in prison.

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Yeah I saw some of the pricing increases without the tax credits.

From 300-400 previous to 960 to 1100+

People will die, all because Republicans want to protect pedophiles, so that they can get rich, spread white supremacy and rape whoever they want because they don't have empathy and just view other people as objects of use / gratification.

Anyone still calling them a Republican under MAGA is quite honestly in my opinion some of the lowest life form of human beings that currently inhabit this planet earth, taking literal playbooks from Russian KGB dictatorship and White supremacy.

It's all fucking insane. Something big needs to happen. This is totally not OK.

The illegal tariffs Trump has been TOYING with global allies. Ruined relationships that will take decades to rebuild up rapport and rebuild relationships.

ICE isn't rounding up dangerous cartel members, gangsters, they are literally just targeting any protestors, especially if they are non-white.

Fuck me, this is all so rage inducing.

Setting up "ANTIFA" as a terrorist organization. What is anti antifa? Pro-fascism. IT MEANS YOU ARE A DICTATOR. He's already setting the stage that protesting him will be illegal. There will be no more elections. Anyone with a brain can read what the heritage foundation wrote, Project 2025. Trump is fucking stupid, he is clearly dementia and clearly stroked out while speaking to all those generals with his captain fucking loser Pete Hesgeth who is a weak man who pretends to know what honor and valor even mean.

All these fucking losers PROTECTING PEDOPHILIA...... at the HIGHEST LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT. CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone saying otherwise is stupid. Their brain is just incomprehensible irredeemable and I hope to god one day there will be numenburg style trials for ALL the fucking bullshit that these spineless sycophants have caused.

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vicepope said:

TrancedOutBrah said:

birdeatingspider said:

Pro-life MAGA folk can easily pivot and say the shutdown was due to not wanting to continue the ACA/Obamacare tax credits.
Meaning everyone's Healthcare premiums may inflate by threefold.
Meaning combined with those getting kicked off Medicaid via the Big Beautiful Bill, an estimated 50,000 will perish each year because they have no health coverage.
https://www.finance.senate.gov/ranking-members-news/51000-americans-will-die-every-year-as-a-direct-result-of-republican-health-plan-new-analysis

Trumps 'spiritual advisor' was recently arrested for molesting a 12 year old.
IIRC, he will spend 6 grueling months in prison.

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Yeah I saw some of the pricing increases without the tax credits.

From 300-400 previous to 960 to 1100+

People will die, all because Republicans want to protect pedophiles, so that they can get rich, spread white supremacy and rape whoever they want because they don't have empathy and just view other people as objects of use / gratification.

Anyone still calling them a Republican under MAGA is quite honestly in my opinion some of the lowest life form of human beings that currently inhabit this planet earth, taking literal playbooks from Russian KGB dictatorship and White supremacy.

It's all fucking insane. Something big needs to happen. This is totally not OK.

The illegal tariffs Trump has been TOYING with global allies. Ruined relationships that will take decades to rebuild up rapport and rebuild relationships.

ICE isn't rounding up dangerous cartel members, gangsters, they are literally just targeting any protestors, especially if they are non-white.

Fuck me, this is all so rage inducing.

Setting up "ANTIFA" as a terrorist organization. What is anti antifa? Pro-fascism. IT MEANS YOU ARE A DICTATOR. He's already setting the stage that protesting him will be illegal. There will be no more elections. Anyone with a brain can read what the heritage foundation wrote, Project 2025. Trump is fucking stupid, he is clearly dementia and clearly stroked out while speaking to all those generals with his captain fucking loser Pete Hesgeth who is a weak man who pretends to know what honor and valor even mean.

All these fucking losers PROTECTING PEDOPHILIA...... at the HIGHEST LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT. CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone saying otherwise is stupid. Their brain is just incomprehensible irredeemable and I hope to god one day there will be numenburg style trials for ALL the fucking bullshit that these spineless sycophants have caused.

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Yep and thats your problem. Once you personally feel that republicans are pedophiles protectors and should be rounded up and imprisoned or numenburg trails. You get in the mind set that they should all die because of your hate.  You know like the actual nazis felt towards jews/gypsy/ gays/Russians/.

Remember history is a cycle.  You start the death camps then at somepoint the tables will turn.
There really aren't sycophants in public, I never interact with them. Show me the poof they exist.

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birdeatingspider said:

FoolOfElysium said:

shivas.wisdom said:

FoolOfElysium said:

I'm not "justifying" fascist oppression, I'm saying you've been duped and it doesn't exist.

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Yes, and I see the absurdity in your attempted justification.

Active resistance is whatever you want it to be, but I would define it at the point where resistance activity/organizing becomes a priority in your life because it is recognized as necessary to protect basic human rights from government oppression. It's the difference between knowing you can call the police for help and forming a community self-defense network because the police are now a threat, for example.

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And surprise, surprise, since Antifa (and all their glorious funding) compromised the police in Portland, NOW the military is a threat. I wish them well with that one.

So allow me to rebut by saying, at some point it has also become recognized that Antifa and similar groups have such an "all-inclusive policy", they are not only willing to defend murderers, rapists, and human traffickers being deported of the country, but STAND side by side with them in the fight.

Antifa is such a LARP, because if protecting human rights rather than just smelling their own farts was the goal, they wouldn't leave chaos and/or destruction in their wake every where they go, they wouldn't intentionally disrupt the everyday lives of normal citizens just "because," they wouldn't destroy both public and private property, and they'd recognize that some of their allies are the most gross offenders of "basic human rights" imaginable and would support them being taken out of the country.

You don't win a "revolution" by pissing off the normies, but as I've said many times, Antifa is far too immature to realize how suicidal their tactics have been all along. They were lucky the government just sat back and watched for so long, but those days are over, and so is the illusion of any power they ever had.

FIGHTING for what you believe in isn't wrong, but being an agent of chaos that spreads to innocent people...  being a rampaging barbarian in the process is NOT.

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Am curious, how do you 'fight for what you believe in ' justifiably, without being an 'agent of chaos?'

Edit- Specifically, speaking? *

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