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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: qman]
    #22246510 - 09/16/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Dude, you can't stop having white privilege and there's no reason to feel guilty about it.

As I pointed out earlier I have certain privileges black members of my family don't, like not worrying about having weed in my pocket when a cop walks by.

At this point I'm pretty convinced you're also trolling and not interested in joining the conversation.


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: qman]
    #22246512 - 09/16/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

Nah I actively stand against it and speak out, however, I cannot control anyone else's actions or unconscious bias.

anything else? it seems as if you've run dry that last one was realllllly reaching.


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22246613 - 09/16/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude, you can't stop having white privilege and there's no reason to feel guilty about it.






How could one feel guilty about something that they don't think exists? 

What you said doesn't apply to myself and most others, you're in a small minority for even using the term "white privilege".


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: qman]
    #22246678 - 09/16/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think it exists and I don't feel guilty about it.  As airclay pointed out I can't control other people's subconscious biases.

I can however recognize that I enjoy certain things people of different skin colors don't, like not being racially profiled by law enforcement.  Maybe majority privilege would be a better word but to say that looking like the majority of people in this country does not offer certain benefits or privileges doesn't square with my life experiences.

You beg to differ?


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: qman]
    #22246942 - 09/16/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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they're having the same issues a qman. Anti-intellectualism mixed in with their own white guilt, leading them to claim victim. all the while making assumptions about other posters.




"own white guilt"

:rofl2:  I don't think so, my Polish relatives came to US around 100 years ago, they made their own way, there's NOTHING to be guilty about. In fact, they could claim victimization by having to leave a hostile environment at the time, but guess what?  They didn't!!

So where does your "white guilt" come from?  That professor must have been laying it on real good, he got you hook, line, and sinker.




im sure when people look at you they say "third generation Polish immigrant," and not "white."


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22247061 - 09/16/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
capitalism isn't oppressive, its the most honest, fair, free way to have an economy



Capitalism is not about creating a strong middle class.  Empirical evidence shows the purer the capitalism, the less the working class are worth.

Country/Territory        Net median wealth per adult
1. Australia                $219,505.00
2. Luxembourg          $182,768.00
3. Belgium                $148,141.00
4. France                  $141,850.00
5. Italy                      $138,653.00
6. United Kingdom    $111,524.00
7. Japan                    $110,294.00
8. Iceland                  $104,733.00
9. Switzerland            $95,916.00
10. Finland                $95,095.00
11. Norway                $92,859.00
12. Canada                $90,252.00
13. Netherlands          $83,631.00
14. New Zealand        $76,607.00
15. Ireland                  $75,573.00
16. Spain                    $63,306.00
17. Denmark              $57,675.00
18. Austria                  $57,450.00
19. Greece                  $53,937.00
20. Sweden                $52,677.00
21. Germany              $49,370.00
22. Slovenia                $44,932.00
23. United States      $44,911.00
24. Portugal                $38,846.00
25. Israel                    $38,164.00


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fuck, liberals is dumb...



The irony...  :smirk:




being liberal, Im not surprised you didn't get the joke...

and america is hardly purely capitalistic, if anything, socialism has a detrimental effect on our net worth as a society


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22247150 - 09/16/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it exists and I don't feel guilty about it.  As airclay pointed out I can't control other people's subconscious biases.

I can however recognize that I enjoy certain things people of different skin colors don't, like not being racially profiled by law enforcement.  Maybe majority privilege would be a better word but to say that looking like the majority of people in this country does not offer certain benefits or privileges doesn't square with my life experiences.

You beg to differ?




Police profile age and sex as well, that's called statistical commonsense and it's a part of life, should people be aware of "age privilege"?  What about "sex privilege"?  Should young males alert the rest of the population the oppression they suffer from law enforcement? Do you see how ridiculous your line of reasoning has become?  What about "rich privilege"?


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22247163 - 09/16/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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airclay said:
they're having the same issues a qman. Anti-intellectualism mixed in with their own white guilt, leading them to claim victim. all the while making assumptions about other posters.




"own white guilt"

:rofl2:  I don't think so, my Polish relatives came to US around 100 years ago, they made their own way, there's NOTHING to be guilty about. In fact, they could claim victimization by having to leave a hostile environment at the time, but guess what?  They didn't!!

So where does your "white guilt" come from?  That professor must have been laying it on real good, he got you hook, line, and sinker.




im sure when people look at you they say "third generation Polish immigrant," and not "white."




Actually they say "4th generation Polish American".


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: qman]
    #22247180 - 09/16/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you see how ridiculous your line of reasoning has become?




probably not, leftists only see two groups of people, victims and oppressors, that why liberalism has recently been classified as a mental disorder...


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: qman]
    #22247188 - 09/16/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it exists and I don't feel guilty about it.  As airclay pointed out I can't control other people's subconscious biases.

I can however recognize that I enjoy certain things people of different skin colors don't, like not being racially profiled by law enforcement.  Maybe majority privilege would be a better word but to say that looking like the majority of people in this country does not offer certain benefits or privileges doesn't square with my life experiences.

You beg to differ?




Police profile age and sex as well, that's called statistical commonsense and it's a part of life, should people be aware of "age privilege"?  What about "sex privilege"?  Should young males alert the rest of the population the oppression they suffer from law enforcement? Do you see how ridiculous your line of reasoning has become?  What about "rich privilege"?




Please review intersectionality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: qman]
    #22248149 - 09/16/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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qman said:
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they're having the same issues a qman. Anti-intellectualism mixed in with their own white guilt, leading them to claim victim. all the while making assumptions about other posters.




"own white guilt"

:rofl2:  I don't think so, my Polish relatives came to US around 100 years ago, they made their own way, there's NOTHING to be guilty about. In fact, they could claim victimization by having to leave a hostile environment at the time, but guess what?  They didn't!!

So where does your "white guilt" come from?  That professor must have been laying it on real good, he got you hook, line, and sinker.




im sure when people look at you they say "third generation Polish immigrant," and not "white."




Actually they say "4th generation Polish American".




By looking at you?


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22248179 - 09/16/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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hostileuniverse said:
capitalism isn't oppressive, its the most honest, fair, free way to have an economy



Capitalism is not about creating a strong middle class.  Empirical evidence shows the purer the capitalism, the less the working class are worth.

Country/Territory        Net median wealth per adult
1. Australia                $219,505.00
2. Luxembourg          $182,768.00
3. Belgium                $148,141.00
4. France                  $141,850.00
5. Italy                      $138,653.00
6. United Kingdom    $111,524.00
7. Japan                    $110,294.00
8. Iceland                  $104,733.00
9. Switzerland            $95,916.00
10. Finland                $95,095.00
11. Norway                $92,859.00
12. Canada                $90,252.00
13. Netherlands          $83,631.00
14. New Zealand        $76,607.00
15. Ireland                  $75,573.00
16. Spain                    $63,306.00
17. Denmark              $57,675.00
18. Austria                  $57,450.00
19. Greece                  $53,937.00
20. Sweden                $52,677.00
21. Germany              $49,370.00
22. Slovenia                $44,932.00
23. United States      $44,911.00
24. Portugal                $38,846.00
25. Israel                    $38,164.00


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fuck, liberals is dumb...



The irony...  :smirk:




being liberal, Im not surprised you didn't get the joke...

and america is hardly purely capitalistic, if anything, socialism has a detrimental effect on our net worth as a society




What joke?

Why is it that when conservatives are presented with facts refuting their claim, they make an ad hominem and repeat the same claim in a different way?


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: starfire_xes]
    #22248894 - 09/16/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Fal, where ya been man??  And what do you presume that table illustrates or proves?



I'm spending more time on home projects and being more social (parties, etc).  I'm on vacation right now, so I have some time on my hands, but I'm going back to work again tomorrow and may fade away.

The list I posted shows the countries we should try to be more like.  Note that these top countries all incorporate a good bit of socialism to make the median worker better off.

For example, Australia has a national minimum wage of $17.29/hour.  We should do the same if we want to increase the wealth of the median worker.

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I just look at japan and wonder if anyone realizes how much lower their standard of living is.



I just look at Detroit, Birmingham, New Orleans, etc. and wonder where in Japan there exists that kind of poverty.


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22248899 - 09/16/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Not sure what it proves either considering that none of the countries on that list has a population remotely close to that of the United States.



Please explain how population impacts the median worker.  If anything, countries with larger populations should be better off since they get economies of scale in Government.


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22248909 - 09/16/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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and america is hardly purely capitalistic



Exactly.  The point of that list was to show that the more socialism a country has, the better off the median person is.

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if anything, socialism has a detrimental effect on our net worth as a society



Again, empirical evidence proves you wrong.  :shrug:


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22249778 - 09/17/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you see how ridiculous your line of reasoning has become?




probably not, leftists only see two groups of people, victims and oppressors, that why liberalism has recently been classified as a mental disorder...




Michael Savage and one psychiatrist that wrote a book don't set the bar for what's classified as a mental disorder.

It's posts like this that landed you that 0 FYI.  If you want to participate try attacking less and thinking for yourself more.


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #22249796 - 09/17/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I think that list is hogwash. Leftist sinkers.


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22249830 - 09/17/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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I think that list is hogwash. Leftist sinkers.




Any data to support that claim above your own personal speculation?


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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: airclay]
    #22277519 - 09/23/15 05:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Leftist thinkers [Re: airclay]
    #22277971 - 09/23/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago)

>Any data to support that claim

I see no data to support the list, merely a list of numbers.


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