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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
christopera said:
Exactly. Charlie would have failed to bat an eyelash had similar happened to someone else. He’d have preached the same stuff and collected pay checks.

I feel bad for the kids. Not so much the wife.



I thought about it as I was typing it. She knows what kind of person he was...



Kirk extensively covered stories when bad things happened to American citizens. Like... frequently.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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And?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: dinosaurs] * 1
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dinosaurs said:
Seriously_trippin said:
dinosaurs said:
sure his wife and kids deserve sympathy but you're moving the goalposts because no one said boo about them.

charlie kirk isn't going to be a martyr.  he wasn't advocating for any righteous cause and he will be remembered as a prime example of "leopards ate my face." charlie was fine with other people dying unnecessarily due to gun violence, and those people weren't even pedophile supporters that pushed maga lies on young voters.



Exactly everyones been celebrating his death without giving a shit about his wife and kids. Im not moving the goalposts im commenting on reality.




ok so everyone on the internet has to make a performative statement about "aw charlie kirks poor wife and kids" before you'll be happy? 

what kind of statements have you made today for the victims of the school shooting in colorado?  what about their families?  what about the other 100s of people shot in the USA today?

charlie kirk was a fucking asshole.  stop clutching your pearls over a guy that bussed people in tactical gear to washington dc on jan 6.  remember the guy that broke into the pelosi's home and almost beat Paul to death with a hammer?  charlie kirk was vocally advocating that someone bail him out of jail.  I could go on and on...



When i say how bad I feel for his wife and kids its not performative. Its basic human compassion. I actually feel bad for them. I feel sorry for people that cant feel a shred of compassion for anyone but themselves or causes they personally believe in.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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And he concluded that death was with the price of admission so that the gun masturbators could play make believe and live out their hero complex.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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its jsut weirdly placed my man.  you're so upset about the reaction to *charlie fucking kirk's* death, while every day tons of actually innocent people die.

what do you want people to say about him getting shot?  are you conflating people not giving a shit about his death with people being ok with him being shot?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: christopera]
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I like how Elyse thinks that reporting on bad things happening to people is some big show of morality. Like yeah, horrible shit gets views. He reports on bad things happening to good people, and makes jokes about bailing out the attacker....what a paragon of morality ...


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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FoolOfElysium said:
HagbardCeline said:
FoolOfElysium said:
Kirk was pronounced dead a short while ago. It's a dark day for America, regardless of how you felt about him. And for the record, you won't see billions of dollars of property damage like when George Floyd died because MAGA isn't full of a bunch of fucking unhinged lunatics that want to see their political opponents die in cold blood just for having an opinion.



:house: Surely you jest. Sarcasm? You mean the lifeforms that came to the Capitol on January 6th with fucking gallows? That have repeatedly called for Soros, Clinton (both), Pelosi (both), Biden, and Harris and many more to hang or otherwise die gruesome deaths. Hell, even Pence who mostly shares their views.

Even if there aren't riots, that claim of yours will surely go down in Shroomery history as one of the most dishonest, cringiest we are likely to ever see.

And for the record, I despised Charlie Kirk but this was wrong and sad and regrettable. Despite his own disdain for empathy, I'm still exercising it for his family.




People opposing him wanted Charlie Kirk dead because he was *effective* at exercising his 1st amendment right and was good at recruiting young people to his cause. Those crying for his death were big-mad because he was a master with his words. Like him or hate him, he wielded speech the way some of the best swordmasters wielded a blade. He turned a small grassroots movement into a national phenomena putting in a backbreaking amount of work. The amount of people he managed to get behind him is proof he was effective. It's worthy of respect, even if you oppose him. You can't win the political war if you don't respect the talent of those that oppose you. (Which is why the left is getting absolutely decimated right now. They fail to recognize the talent in their "villains")


So I ask you the same thing. Surely you jest? You're really comparing Soros, Clinton (both), Pelosi (both), Biden, and Harris, etc... to KIRK?

These politicians have actual blood on their hands. Charlie Kirk just opens his mouth and speaks. They are *light years* apart.



First, Soros is not a politician, so you have no attributable blood, and he is essentially an analogue of Kirk (they are both influencers) just more well-funded. Second, neither is Pelosi's husband. Third, it's also unlikely that you can place uncontestable blame on Mrs. Clinton or Mrs. Harris given their positions. Fourth, YOU are the one who made the claim, "their political opponents", which includes politicians, so don't try hitting the ball back to me because you failed in your "art of writing" that you claim to wield well. Fifth, it doesn't matter that they were politicians anyway unless you want to additionally claim that would justify political violence - unlikely, as it would contradict all of the other things you just wrote about the vileness of those celebrating his death (a sentiment I concur with).

Sixth, I'm surprised you would even attempt to counter my statement with this point about poor comparisons that are " *light years* apart" (which you weirdly still failed with as underscored above) because that opens you to the same claim (actually you were open to this from the beginning, I was just distracted with the absurdity of your MAGA claim). An assassination carried out by a lone psycho is not comparable to a string of wholly unjustified killings of a certain ethnicity by state sponsored thugs who are only extremely rarely held accountable. When your own government continues to kill your people in circumstances where there was ZERO threat (often incapable of posing a threat because they were already cuffed), by the very institution tasked with their protection no less, and no justice comes despite your cries and requests and pleas, when the pressure keeps growing an outburst is inevitable. If hundreds of your MAGA mouthpieces get murdered over the next 50 years and no one goes to jail, then you can make the comparison and not look stupid.

Do you really think you are a good writer, a speaker accomplished in weaving words well, and a person making well-reasoned claims? Just me, I don't see it.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: dinosaurs]
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dinosaurs said:
its jsut weirdly placed my man.  you're so upset about the reaction to *charlie fucking kirk's* death, while every day tons of actually innocent people die.  they have families too, and they probably didn't spend their lives trying to poison the well.





When was the last shooting on the news that litterally fucking everyone celebrated? Which school shooting was that, that everyone was like yay! Fuck those kids?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: HagbardCeline]
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Dude, Elyse smoked a blunt with the regional president of time warner cable....he knows what he's talking about about...


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Seriously_trippin said:
dinosaurs said:
its jsut weirdly placed my man.  you're so upset about the reaction to *charlie fucking kirk's* death, while every day tons of actually innocent people die.  they have families too, and they probably didn't spend their lives trying to poison the well.





When was the last shooting on the news that litterally fucking everyone celebrated? Which school shooting was that, that everyone was like yay! Fuck those kids?




no they just call the children crisis actors and the events themselves hoaxes.  and then they get elected to congress in red states or appointed to a role in the trump administration.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: dinosaurs]
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dinosaurs said:
Seriously_trippin said:
dinosaurs said:
its jsut weirdly placed my man.  you're so upset about the reaction to *charlie fucking kirk's* death, while every day tons of actually innocent people die.  they have families too, and they probably didn't spend their lives trying to poison the well.





When was the last shooting on the news that litterally fucking everyone celebrated? Which school shooting was that, that everyone was like yay! Fuck those kids?




no they just call the children crisis actors and the events themselves hoaxes.



And I am in the comments section saying the same shit im saying to you guys. Youre saying why im i upset about this and not about that. When uvalde and Sandy hook happened and people were calling the parents crisis actors and saying the children didnt exist i was fucking furious and gave a very similar speech to what im giving now. You want to know why? My values and dignity dont bend to fit my own personal grudges.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: dinosaurs]
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Trump has vowed to go after groups that fund leftwing extremism. Here comes more fascism
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Seriously_trippin said:
dinosaurs said:
Seriously_trippin said:
dinosaurs said:
its jsut weirdly placed my man.  you're so upset about the reaction to *charlie fucking kirk's* death, while every day tons of actually innocent people die.  they have families too, and they probably didn't spend their lives trying to poison the well.





When was the last shooting on the news that litterally fucking everyone celebrated? Which school shooting was that, that everyone was like yay! Fuck those kids?




no they just call the children crisis actors and the events themselves hoaxes.



And I am in the comments section saying the same shit im saying to you guys. Youre saying why im i upset about this and not about that. When uvalde and Sandy hook happened and people were calling the parents crisis actors and saying the children didnt exist i was fucking furious and gave a very similar speech to what im giving now. You want to know why? My values and dignity dont bend to fit my own personal grudges.



It's kind of hard to fight someone with no morals. You sit there with boxing gloves in while they're free to stab you if they want to. The only way to really win is to play their game and call them a crybaby for whining about how "unfair" the game has suddenly become.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Seriously_trippin said:
dinosaurs said:
Seriously_trippin said:
dinosaurs said:
its jsut weirdly placed my man.  you're so upset about the reaction to *charlie fucking kirk's* death, while every day tons of actually innocent people die.  they have families too, and they probably didn't spend their lives trying to poison the well.





When was the last shooting on the news that litterally fucking everyone celebrated? Which school shooting was that, that everyone was like yay! Fuck those kids?




no they just call the children crisis actors and the events themselves hoaxes.



And I am in the comments section saying the same shit im saying to you guys. Youre saying why im i upset about this and not about that. When uvalde and Sandy hook happened and people were calling the parents crisis actors and saying the children didnt exist i was fucking furious and gave a very similar speech to what im giving now. You want to know why? My values and dignity dont bend to fit my own personal grudges.




I'm operating on a very consistent value here, which is that I dont grieve for people that made the world a worse place while they were alive.  I reject violence and I'm not happy that charlie got shot but I'm not sad one bit that he's no longer around. 

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: dinosaurs] * 2
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Everyone makes the world a worse place for some and better place for others.  That's the nature of being human.  We all deserve to die.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: dinosaurs]
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Again I didnt say you had to grieve for him but what it e seen all day is people rejoicing that hes dead because they hate him. As long as you're not happy he was murdered thats all I was getting at. A reaction of joy for someone you dont like being murdered is just sick. Thats all I was saying and im glad at least in this thread people are starting to say, I fucking hated him, I hate what he was saying im not going to grieve for him personally but im not going to rejoice over his murder is all I wanted to see.

It makes me sick to my stomach thinking people are jumping for joy and popping champagne bottles at the notion of someone being murdered. Unless it was fucking Hitler or Kim Jong Un actual mass murderers or violent criminals we as a society should never rejoice a murder.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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reasonable enough to me. 

Seriously_trippin said:
It makes me sick to my stomach thinking people are jumping for joy and popping champagne bottles at the notion of someone being murdered.




this reminds me though, I think a business of selling a decent wine/champagne/etc branded around "yay trumps dead" would do really well.  a lot of people have bottles set aside for the day he gets his big mac attack.  maybe a little wooden box and everything.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Everyone makes the world a worse place for some and better place for others.  That's the nature of being human.



This I agree with wholeheartedly. The "we all deserve to die part is a bit too cynical for my taste. Id tweak that slightly to say no one deserves anything and death comes for us all eventually.


But if anyone here thinks the world is going to be a better place because some guy ive been ignoring for years is dead is delusional as fuck.

He will become a martyr for the right. The reaction from the left will be pointed to as vindication for their demonization of us. Absolutely no one wins today. And it will only make our civil discourse even more chaotic.

The guy who tried to kill trump only succeeded in guaranteeing his reelection and making him a martyr to his base.

If Reagan wasnt shot we may have had president mondale but we will never know now.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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I don't know anyone who is so evil that he/she doesn't deserve for this life to end eventually.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Seriously_trippin said:
Again I didnt say you had to grieve for him but what it e seen all day is people rejoicing that hes dead because they hate him. As long as you're not happy he was murdered thats all I was getting at. A reaction of joy for someone you dont like being murdered is just sick. Thats all I was saying and im glad at least in this thread people are starting to say, I fucking hated him, I hate what he was saying im not going to grieve for him personally but im not going to rejoice over his murder is all I wanted to see.

It makes me sick to my stomach thinking people are jumping for joy and popping champagne bottles at the notion of someone being murdered. Unless it was fucking Hitler or Kim Jong Un actual mass murderers or violent criminals we as a society should never rejoice a murder.





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