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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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ORLY?  What do you think most of Congress is?  My next door neighbor would zoom that shit, too.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Most of Congress isn't lawyers, and most lawyers aren't in Congress.  In any case, I don't know anyone in Congress either.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Most of Congress isn't lawyers?  Are you sure?


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yes.  The number hovers around 200ish.  It's always less than 50% though.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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If the best one has to offer is military service, then he/she doesn't have much to offer at all.


You have to be one of the most ungrateful pieces of SHIT I have ever come across. There are service man and women that have had 5 or more deployments to those fucking nasty sandboxes and it ain't for the money and no amount of education benefits worth what they have to go thorough. These men and women come back broken and you want to tell them to go fuck themselves and throw them onto some scrap heap.

You have just confirmed for me why people think lawyer are the LOWEST FUCKING form of humanity.

GO FUCK YOURSELF Enlil and I hope there is a HELL so you can rot in it.

Sweeper54 sitting here welcoming the pending ban for this rant.

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: sweeper54]
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What, exactly, should I be grateful for?  Soldiers in a foreign land killing people and inspiring the next generation of terrorists?  Do you really think we're safer because of the military actions of this century?  Do you really think I have anything at all to be grateful about for them?

If you do, you're seriously deluded.

P.S.  I've never advocated "throwing them on a scrap heap" or cutting benefits to them.  They should get what is coming to them.  I just don't respect them just because they joined the military.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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I don't think they should be there and it's not their fault they are there. It's the selfless sacrifice that service member to endure that separates them form civilian oxygen thief's. They are paying their debt to this country, and this country is not paying their debt to them.

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: sweeper54]
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I agree that vets should get better medical care for injuries suffered in the line of duty. 

That still doesn't make them worthy of respect for joining the military.

And it is their fault that they are there...They knew we were at war when they signed up.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Gotta agree with Enlil. I have a couple of American friends in the military. They wanted to join to learn some cool skills and I respect them having those skills, I wish I had them.

That being said, they were both aware that US foreign military policy hasn't been super ethical over the last few decades and that they'd essentially be used by war profiteers.

The CIA released a report stating that the Iraq war and the US reliance on drones has actually made Americans less safe so it seems they were right.

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Not for nothing but as a general rule I have more respect for anybody who got am honorable discharge than I do for anybody who passed the bar.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
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Of that, I've no doubt.  Fortunately, your respect isn't something for which most people strive.  And what is your obsession with the bar?


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: sweeper54]
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sweeper54 said:
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If the best one has to offer is military service, then he/she doesn't have much to offer at all.


You have to be one of the most ungrateful pieces of SHIT I have ever come across. There are service man and women that have had 5 or more deployments to those fucking nasty sandboxes and it ain't for the money and no amount of education benefits worth what they have to go thorough. These men and women come back broken and you want to tell them to go fuck themselves and throw them onto some scrap heap.

You have just confirmed for me why people think lawyer are the LOWEST FUCKING form of humanity.

GO FUCK YOURSELF Enlil and I hope there is a HELL so you can rot in it.

Sweeper54 sitting here welcoming the pending ban for this rant.

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!



Dude its their own fault for being stupif and going to war for heinous criminals and lies.

No dude.  The soldiers are asdholes for being uneducated braindead killers for an evil empire..  fuck em.

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: sweeper54]
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sweeper54 said:
I don't think they should be there and it's not their fault they are there. It's the selfless sacrifice that service member to endure that separates them form civilian oxygen thief's. They are paying their debt to this country, and this country is not paying their debt to them.


but it is their fault.  Thecreal heroicvthing to do is disobey orders that are immoral and wrong.

If you do not you deserve no respect youvdeserve scorn.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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There are many ways to serve one's country.  If the best one has to offer is military service, then he/she doesn't have much to offer at all.



Not much besides their life . Or maybe a foot or an arm . If someone is willing to give their life for me and  my country , I don't really feel like I should expect more or look down on and disrespect someone if they don't want or can't offer society more than that . That's good enough , for me.  How could you possibly offer something more valuable than that?
    I know why you should be grateful. If it  we're not for these people volunteering to do this job our govt would probably force you to do it. Or perhaps your kids. Like allot of countrys do. Like the country my wife came from . When u turn 18 there your in military for 2 years . Just the way it is.
  So next time you see a service member , just think, that could be me , against my will.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: psilynut]
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If someone is willing to give their life for me and  my country


bullshit. They aren't giving anything for you. You're delusional if you think soldiers are over there fighting for our 'freedom' or 'safety' or whatever other rhetoric it is today.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Of that, I've no doubt.  Fortunately, your respect isn't something for which most people strive.  And what is your obsession with the bar?



Obsession?  I find most attorneys to be loathsome self-dealers.  Same goes for journalists.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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You're the one that keeps bringing it up, zappy...I was just wondering why.

And to Psilynut:  Their sacrifices in Iraq and Afghanistan are not for me or anyone I know.  They are for politicians and power brokers.  If they really wanted to give something, why not donate a kidney or a piece of their livers....at least that way, someone truly needy would be helped.



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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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In this case it was because YOU are a lawyer and are disparaging military people.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Oh...that's just silly.  I never claimed that all lawyers are smart or honorable.  I never claimed that someone deserves respect because they passed this test or have that degree.  That's kinda my whole point here.

People don't deserve respect because of the choice to become soldiers anymore than they deserve respect for becoming welders, or contractors...People deserve respect based on what they individually do.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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I think the sacrifice soldiers make is different from run of the mill jobs you get paid for.  I also made it clear that an honorable discharge is required.  You personally may not think that lawyers deserve more respect than anybody else but the law sure does.  The law that was written by lawyers.


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