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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
I seriously doubt that there are any former citizens of the united states that do not willingly engage in conduct that leads to more U.S. taxes being paid.


That would be their choice, and I couldn't care less. But if they are generating revenues for the US government and they have no high horse to sit on when it comes to us armed conflict or the US military.

The point is they have a choice just like you. Wether or not they're hypocritical like you are about it is another question altogether


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Simplicitry]
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The only way it would be possible is to live off the land in a foreign wilderness.  That would do more harm than good because that person would be disenfranchised from the society and unable to work toward ending the wars. 

Paying taxes isn't a choice, but if it were, having a small portion of one's taxes going to an unjust war is minimal compared to taking steps to end those wars.  If one must contribute a penny in order to have the voice to be able to change things, then that's the price of making a positive difference. 

Make no mistake, the wars won't end because people hiding in the forests want them to.  They will only end when people with a voice use those voices.  Opting out provides more support for the war than opting in and using one's voice to end those wars.

Having said all of that, there is no opting out of funding the U.S. government.


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Edited by Enlil (12/15/13 08:05 AM)

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said:
Icelander said:
Most of the people I know in the military went in for the money and education.


That's a good reason to join. I can find no fault in that. I've said in this thread already. But just to clarify, I've never been the kind of person that thought that someone should be put on a pedestal just for joining the armed services.


It's not a good reason imo when you consider the rest of what I said in that post.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
The only way it would be possible is to live off the land in a foreign wilderness.


No. Just emigrate and renounce your US citizenship. Lots of people do that every year to avoid paying US taxes.

I swear I am not making this up.


Phred


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Phred]
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Nonetheless, money they spend goes to businesses that pay U.S. taxes.  Under Simplicitry's crazy logic, that means they're supporting the war.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Even when renouncing and leaving, the IRS hits you with one final tax. Benjamin Franklin was right, death and taxes...

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Simplicitry]
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are people in France responsible for the war because they have the choice to take up arms against the United States in opposition yet they don't?


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: psyconaught]
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They're responsible because they continue to buy Jerry Lewis movies, thus increasing profits for American businesses and increasing taxes.


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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You shouldn't even acknowledge him when he says stupid shit like that

Apparently he has never spoken to a lawyer.

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Nonetheless, money they spend goes to businesses that pay U.S. taxes.  Under Simplicitry's crazy logic, that means they're supporting the war.



I will define my own stance. You are a hypocrite. A man has to buy what he has to buy, but You living blissfully here means you haven't tried very hard to minimize your financial support of the evil you rail against others about. Why ?something is more important to you. As such you contribute as much if not more to the war cause then some low level idiot in military who performs menial non combat related tasks. No high horse to sit on buddy


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said:
are people in France responsible for the war because they have the choice to take up arms against the United States in opposition yet they don't?


Just stop with the failing analogies already :facepalm: they all fail. France is a sovereign nation and taxpayers are just that. And nobody was talking about taking up arms against the US government. Just stop already, let us talk in real terms


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said:
psyconaught said:
are people in France responsible for the war because they have the choice to take up arms against the United States in opposition yet they don't?


Just stop with the failing analogies already :facepalm: they all fail. France is a sovereign nation and taxpayers are just that. And nobody was talking about taking up arms against the US government. Just stop already, let us talk in real terms


the french have the ability to fight against U.S war. Are frenchman who have the choice to take up arms against the united states but don't supporting the war?


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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said:
Simplicitry said:
psyconaught said:
are people in France responsible for the war because they have the choice to take up arms against the United States in opposition yet they don't?


Just stop with the failing analogies already :facepalm: they all fail. France is a sovereign nation and taxpayers are just that. And nobody was talking about taking up arms against the US government. Just stop already, let us talk in real terms


the french have the ability to fight against U.S war. Are frenchman who have the choice to take up arms against the united states but don't supporting the war?


This analogy is too stupid to even discuss. France is part of Nato. France participated in the wars. I'll talk to you in real terms all you want. But not this way, it's counterproductive and a waste of both our time


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: vitriol for vets? [Re: psyconaught]
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Gentlemen lets keep the discussion on U.S. policies/personnel in 2002-2013

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