SupaThaRipper said:

i certainly wasnt angry, just firm in my response and im sorry if i came off that way.

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give me some links and I'll look into it....That includes resources outside here. Or I'd like to even know the links for the sites you're talking about.

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I'm very into learning and seeing how people do things.

I know there was one other shroom grow forum, was white text on black background and had a hippie style line art on the front page, but it only had a handful of posts a day, and it seems gone now, from my Google search.

SupaThaRipper
>if anyone is having serious contamination issues, trich in particular. i highly suggest them to go through the steps

I think that half the time or more that there is trich, the trich comes from trich-enhanced coir.

EVERYONE: Two brands of coir that do NOT have added trich that are Plantronix Coco Bliss coir, and Nature's Premium brand. One says it does not, and the other I wrote them and asked. Still pasturize with pouring boiling water, breaking it up, and letting it sit covered for a few hours.

Get those if you can, people starting out, Amazon and ebay carry both, at least in the US.

The TC I mentioned with the wacky trich theory, that you asked me who it was, I won't name him but if he wants to jump on I'll discuss it. His theory is this (paraphrased):

"It doesn't matter if you use coir with trich added, because the boiling water kills it all when you pasteurize it."

This is the most wrong thing I've heard on here. (He does good grows despite this because he's skilled and does everything else right.)

I think that is horrible advice for a noob.

Maybe growing shrooms doesn't require to have the same level of clean you'd have in a DNA research lab. (If it did, we wouldn't do it in the same rooms where we live and sleep)

But it should be at least as clean as you'd have in a commercial food processing operation, even a mom and pop one.

Can you imaging a microbrewery or local bread bakery saying "We can can get grain with added mold or without. It's the same price for each. We use the gain with mold because the mold probably all dies when we pour on boiling water."

NO ONE would buy that beer or bread, and they'd be rightfully shut down.

Pic tax, x7x+ F5, 16-quart tub

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The TC I mentioned with the wacky trich theory, that you asked me who it was, I won't name him but if he wants to jump on I'll discuss it. His theory is this (paraphrased):

"It doesn't matter if you use coir with trich added, because the boiling water kills it all when you pasteurize it."

This is the most wrong thing I've heard on here. (He does good grows despite this because he's skilled and does everything else right.)

I think that is horrible advice for a noob.

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Trichoderma Myth

Trichoderma spp., or any other microbe for that matter, is not inherent in, added to, or cultured for the coco medium CANNA uses. It simply is not there, and, under the strong UV rays of the sun for months, it will not survive as a spore. However, it is one of the most prolific and widely distributed soil microbes in the world. It is in the air from the tropics to the poles, and will not only populate soils, but paper, wood, walls, anything with cellulose. Trichoderma spp. are ubiquitous colonizers of cellulosic materials and can be found wherever decaying plant material is found. Trichoderma will be found in the soil, in the factory, in the home, in the store, anyplace. Some will grow on drywall on the paper covering, on untreated wood doors and trim, anywhere. So the contamination point or source can also be anyplace once the product is exposed.

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https://www.canna.ca/articles/story-canna-coco-renewable-growing-medium

They do however carry a seed starter product marketed specifically to nurseries  that does contain Trichoderma.

As stated above, the Trichoderma issue is moot because it is ubiquitous. Use very hot or boiling water to prep CV, no issues. All common moulds and their spores will be destroyed in seconds when exposed to boiled water.



The moment you plunge your hands and forearms into a tub filled with freshly hydrated coir, you're inoculating it with skin bacteria, moulds, yeasts, etc. This is why clean spawn is king. No matter what you do with your substrate, whether it be sterilized, hydrated with boiled water or properly pasteurized, you're mixing environmental contamination throughout when spawning.

Don't grow on substrates previously infested with live moulds including Trichoderma. Process substrates correctly, use clean spawn.

SupaThaRipper said:

This is honestly a very interesting question and I think you should get in depth with playing around with it a bit. I would look forward to seeing what you come up with.

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Nichrome said:

Can someone please show me what "enmeshed mold" is? I have honestly never seen it happen.

That is sectoring. That type of sectoring is indicative of a colony with internal competition going on. Like some of the hyphae are planning a mutiny or like a case of star bellied sneetches vs. regular sneetches. Possibly just a genetic defect. Long story short those patterns often lead to susceptibility to mold taking over but there is no mold in that culture.

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Huskies said:

I think I've heard of peroxide soaks? Maybe it was alcohol? Soak the stem in there, should kill any bacteria while maybe allowing for mycelium to still survive. Don't quote me on that

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SupaThaRipper said:

Ahh man I've never had success cloning dry fruits. 😢 Even when very clean they never take off for me.

Gill frag would be amazing. What is the variety?

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