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Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates * 1
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Easy compost ingredients, means, & method.

Meant for folks with limited space.
Who cannot do normal outdoor compost piles.
(best done in warm weather spring to fall)

Requires:
A small outdoor space & area that compost drainage will not harm.

Items needed.

55 gallon plastic drum, with lid
(often found at surplus supply stores for cheap)


Small drill & ? inch bit


3 or 4 bricks.
(to set the drum of so it has drainage)

Drill ? inch holes every 2 inches, in rings 3  or 4 inches apart, all around the drum.
Drill 20 or 30 ? inch holes in the bottom of the drum, for drainage.

Drill 20 or 30 holes in the lid.
(drainage, when you tip drum upside down)

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Compost ingredients.

2/3rds bale of wheat straw (preferably shredded)
(bale from feed & seed store, around $6 each)

3 or 4 five gallon buckets of horse or cow manure (preferably shredded)
(gathered from wherever, free)

2 or 3 five gallon buckets of fruit/produce refuse (preferably shredded)
(check with local grocery produce man, or produce market, free)

(side note, you can add coffee grounds, potato peelings, spent brewery grains (think local micro-brewery), minor amounts of kelp meal, bone meal, cotton seed meal, soy bean meal (think organic garden supply)Hot air popped pop corn - makes a GREAT additive  :grin:.

(Stay away from adding bagged store bought steer manure).

3 or 4 cups of garden type gypsum powder .
(think garden supply, cheap)

Quart of vegetable oil.
(any type - cheap)

Prepare space for drum to sit on bricks.
Have enough space - you can tip drum on it?s side & roll it.
(back & forth)

On a tarp, in a tote, or in a wheel-barrow, mix all ingredients.

Fill drum FULL, but not TIGHTLY COMPRESSED or COMPACTED.
(content needs to breath)

Use hose or bucket to add about 5 gallons of water to drum content.

Seal drum, upright - sitting on the bricks.

In a few days, tip drum on its side, roll it back & forth.

Set drum upright on bricks again.

Add another 5 gallons of water.

Wait a week.

Add 2 or 3 gallons of water.
Tip drum over, roll it back & forth.

Then, stand drum upright, on bricks UPSIDE DOWN.

Wait another week, tip & roll drum again.

Stand upright, RIGHT SIDE UP.
Add 2 or 3 gallons of water.
Seal drum.

Wait another week & repeat process.

In around 1 month, the compost should be ready.
(variables are outside temperatures, Rh, sun/shade conditions)

Inspect now & then.
When it is about finished, or finished.
It will have a high fiber consistency,
a garden soil odor
& all content should be a caramel like brown color.

If you can manage.
Staggering 2 or 3 drums will give you a constant supply.
For a winter supply.
Sun dry however much & store in burlap bags.
In a cool - clean - DRY place.

If you want to speed up the composting process.
Most garden supply places, have bottled compost starter solutions.
Buy a bottle & add some to the the first & second waterings.
No need for it - after that.


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Edited by agar (02/26/06 03:17 PM)

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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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sweet write up agar!! nice easy to follow instructions!! gonna have to give it a try this summer.

1 questions though "Drill ? inch holes every 2 inches, in rings 2 or 3 inches apart, all around the drum." so thats over the entire barrel from top to bottom right??


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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Quote:
For a winter supply.
Sun dry however much & store in burlap bags.
In a cool - clean - DRY place.


Would you place it on a tarp thinly and let dry.....completely?


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: willmafingerdo]
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Space rings around drums about 3 or 4 inches apart, TOP TO BOTTOM.

Start first ring about 4 inches from the drum top.
Have last ring about 4 inches from the drum bottom.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: Snaggletooth]
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2 or 3 inch deep layer.
Then raked around, now & again.
You want it dry enough, it will stop composting & not mildew, or ROT, when stored.

The drier, the better.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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AFOAF's girlfriend's father farms chicken eggs, so there's a very large supply of nitro rich chicken shit that I could get my hands on for free. Your other recipe designed for composting by the ton calls for the use of chicken shit, so I was curious if it'd be beneficial to add chicken shit to this recipe, and if so, how much?

Also, I just wanted to say this is friggin awesome. I've wanted to work with compost so badly but never had a way that I could feasibly do it, but this seems like a very doable summer project for me. Great job.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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Chicken manure runs around 22% nitrogen.

Which is about 10 times to hot.
It also lacks fiber.

So, you could use the above recipe, without the horse/steer manure.

Add a lot more straw & about 1.5 gallon of chicken manure.

(I would place the chicken manure in a 5 gallon bucket, add water & make it into a slurry. So when you add it to the remaining mix, it gets evenly spread out, in the total mixture.)


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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Ahh, I see. So when it came down to a showdown b/t the horse manure based compost and the chicken manure based compost, the horse would probably be a better choice, wouldn't it? That's fine. I can get the horse poo just as easily as the chicken poo, I was just wondering if adding the chicken poo would bulk it up any. Thanks again.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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Holy shit agar, thats a fucking nice one.

Pluto

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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
Ahh, I see. So when it came down to a showdown b/t the horse manure based compost and the chicken manure based compost, the horse would probably be a better choice, wouldn't it? That's fine. I can get the horse poo just as easily as the chicken poo, I was just wondering if adding the chicken poo would bulk it up any. Thanks again.


H/poo based would be more optimal.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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agar would u be able to use 2 - 3 5 gallon buckets of grass clippings instead of the 2 or 3 five gallon buckets of fruit/produce refuse?


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I am not lost.. i am going there looking for it.. and when i get there and find it, i will know what it is..

"The way to stop violence is not to go out and let your head be beaten in but to say, you want to take my life risk yours!"

"are you sure u want to eat all them shrooms??"  "yes i want to hear what my mind has to say..."

remember opions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: willmafingerdo]
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Grass clippings work.

Trouble with them is this.

They tend to ball up in tight wet clumps.

If you spread them out - WELL, in the overall mix, they do fine.

I just prefer fruit/produce refuse.

As, it usually contains a higher fructose/sugar content.

The higher sugar content, gets the composting going - QUICKLY.
(microbes love their sweets, like little kids love candy)

A mixture of fruit/produce refuse will also contain a wider range of trace elements, as well as macro/micro nutrients.
(especially banana's, apples & the like)

Another GREAT ADDITIVE, is hot air popped pop corn.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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question.. "The higher sugar content, gets the composting going - QUICKLY" could you mix up some kayro/water to add to the mix if u were using grass clippings.. or would that just be messy and not work??


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:scaryshroom: :shitstorm: :mattz: :bongload: :gethigh: :scaryshroom:

I am not lost.. i am going there looking for it.. and when i get there and find it, i will know what it is..

"The way to stop violence is not to go out and let your head be beaten in but to say, you want to take my life risk yours!"

"are you sure u want to eat all them shrooms??"  "yes i want to hear what my mind has to say..."

remember opions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: willmafingerdo]
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I would not suggest doing so.

Check with your local grocery.
Produce guys have a LOT of wasted product, they will give away.
If you have the nuggies to ask.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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what would you say it was for??


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:scaryshroom: :shitstorm: :mattz: :bongload: :gethigh: :scaryshroom:

I am not lost.. i am going there looking for it.. and when i get there and find it, i will know what it is..

"The way to stop violence is not to go out and let your head be beaten in but to say, you want to take my life risk yours!"

"are you sure u want to eat all them shrooms??"  "yes i want to hear what my mind has to say..."

remember opions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: willmafingerdo]
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A compost pile? lol

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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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thanks for this, seems easy enough.

one thing id like to know is: where do you guys go for poop?
random stables & ranches? feed stores?
that would prolly be the hardest to require for me.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: willmafingerdo]
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Rabbit food, mini pig food, giant iguana food, or compost.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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Another great writeup Agar! :thumbup:

You really should make a bunch of journal entries with all of these teks you have. It would probably be the most comprehensive DIY guide out there! Just food for thought.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FooMan]
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FooManShroom said:
Another great writeup Agar! :thumbup:

You really should make a bunch of journal entries with all of these teks you have. It would probably be the most comprehensive DIY guide out there! Just food for thought.


LOL, the fine female in my life, keeps mumbling.

:heart:Write & publish a BOOK. :heart: :rolleyes:

Hell, you wrote most of it ~ already.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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I agree with her!!!

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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: A0999]
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anarchist0999 said:
thanks for this, seems easy enough.

one thing id like to know is: where do you guys go for poop?
random stables & ranches? feed stores?
that would prolly be the hardest to acquire for me.


I feel like the most difficult item to get would be the 55 gallon drum. I don't even know where to start looking for something like that. Agar says the surplus supply stores.. but I'm not exactly sure what that is or how to find any in my area.

The horse poo you just get from people with horses. Ask them if you can get some poop from their field for your garden or something.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: Jaeger]
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From the sun heating it, would using a black barrel help speed up the process? Or would it have any kind of negative effect?


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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For plastic drums.

FIRST, use your local PHONE BOOK.
Call around & check.
Some places may not have them.
But, may know WHO DOES.

Also, check your local http://www.craigslist.org/


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
The horse poo you just get from people with horses. Ask them if you can get some poop from their field for your garden or something.


yeah um, i dont exactly know anyone with horses.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: A0999]
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anarchist0999 said:
tiny_rabid_birds said:
The horse poo you just get from people with horses. Ask them if you can get some poop from their field for your garden or something.


yeah um, i dont exactly know anyone with horses.


I bet your phone book does.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: A0999]
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Look in your local phone book for horse stables, or horse riding / boarding.
They (most often) give h/poo away FREE, by the pick up truck load full.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: A0999]
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plastic drums:

http://www.yankeecontainers.com/Items/VAN55OHBL-NA.html

http://www.containerandpackaging.com/itemlist.asp?itemtype=Drums&subtype=Plastic

http://www.plastic-containers.net/?source=google&gclid=CIiSp7LNt4MCFTcdGAodV0BA-A
http://www.greif.com/packaging-systems/plastic-drums/default.asp

used plastic drums: http://www.recycle.net/specs/gr500530.html

they are kinda expensive but are def. worth the money.
youre gonna want an "open top" drum for this project.
to be honest i would prolly steal one from somewhere using it as a trashcan and buy a top for it.

now someone tell me where i can get some cheap poopoo.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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I found my lifetime supply of FREE hpoo on  craigslist  :grin:

Just have not took advantage of it yet. :mushroom2:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: A0999]
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Used plastic drums run about $20 each.
Most often found at surplus type stores.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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agar said:
Look in your local phone book for horse stables, or horse riding / boarding.
They (most often) give h/poo away FREE, by the pick up truck load full.



thankyou thats more helpfull. allthough i dont think i need a truckload, and il prolly have to drive atleast an hour for anyplace like that.

so now, can you give some info on drying/leeching ect...

thnks


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: A0999]
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To get properly aged/leached poop, either select nuggets that are dried, light in color, or odorless, or spread fresh poo on a tarp and let it sit outside through a couple of rainfalls, then dry in the sun.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: A0999]
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>>>so now, can you give some info on drying/leeching ect...<<<

I dump a truckload out on a concrete pad, spray it with a water hose, then let the sun do the drying.

Others scale & methods of leeching & drying will vary.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: Snaggletooth]
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Snaggletooth said:
I found my lifetime supply of FREE hpoo on  craigslist  :grin:

Just have not took advantage of it yet. :mushroom2:


i looked on craigslist last night and actually found a place giving away horse poopie by the large sack load! thanks for the idea.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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agar said:
I dump a truckload out on a concrete pad, spray it with a water hose, then let the sun do the drying.

Others scale & methods of leeching & drying will vary.


So the poo should be leaching before composting??? :rolleyes:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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FGL said:
agar said:
I dump a truckload out on a concrete pad, spray it with a water hose, then let the sun do the drying.

Others scale & methods of leeching & drying will vary.


So the poo should be leaching before composting??? :rolleyes:


You can use well weathered & dryed h/poo as substrate.
Without composting it.

This thread is a way to make compost, using horse or cow manure.
You can compost fresh manure that smells of shit & urine.
you cannot use fresh h/poo or C/poo as substrate.
Unless it is well leached, then dried first.

Straight up, weather aged h/poo, works.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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So the composting tek you are explaining here,as any composting process, can use both as an ingredient(leached and fresh), isnt it?  :grin:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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The composting process can use either fresh, or aged manure.
(fiber & nitrogen source)

Fresh, smelly manure is actualy better to start composting with.
It's alive with microbes.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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would be a good idea to add some verm to the process?


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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If you have a good healthy fiber mixture, there is no need for Verm.

As it composts, keep an eye on it - towards the end of the process.

Don't let it compost into DIRT like substance.

The longer you let it compost, the more FIBER is broken down.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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:thumbup:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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Check with chroming shops if you don't find them at surplus stores.

Phonebook->auto section->custom/finishing/chrome

Most of them have more used plastic drums than they know what to do with. At least in the 80's they did.

~Cappa.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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I make my compost cage out of concrete re enforcing fence.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: Psychoslut]
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Psychoslut said:
I make my compost cage out of concrete re enforcing fence.


Commonly called RE-BAR.
(good stuff & cheap)


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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I have a very cheap supply of these kind composters:



they are 450 liters capacity.

Any reason I shouldnt use them in place of the plastic drums?


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
anarchist0999 said:
thanks for this, seems easy enough.

one thing id like to know is: where do you guys go for poop?
random stables & ranches? feed stores?
that would prolly be the hardest to acquire for me.


I feel like the most difficult item to get would be the 55 gallon drum. I don't even know where to start looking for something like that. Agar says the surplus supply stores.. but I'm not exactly sure what that is or how to find any in my area.

The horse poo you just get from people with horses. Ask them if you can get some poop from their field for your garden or something.


Look for companies who bottle soda pop. I.E. coca cola, pepsi...they use these 55 gallon drums to store the syrup to make thier beverages. Any emergency preparedness store should carry them. Hope that helps some.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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FGL said:
I have a very cheap supply of these kind composters:



they are 450 liters capacity.

Any reason I shouldnt use them in place of the plastic drums?


Those will work fine.

But, you will have to WORK MORE to pitch fork mix the content, every so often.

With drums, you can tip one on its side & roll it back & forth to mix & aerate the content.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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If you've got the $$ for it, a TUMBLER would work well.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FooMan]
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Well, hell....go BIG, if ya got the bucks :rolleyes: :grin:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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Would this recipe work scaled down?

I mean WAY scaled down. Maybe... 1/11ths (To fit in a 5 gallon bucket).

3 gallons of straw
1.36 gallons of horse manure
3 cups of fruit/produce refuse
2.16 oz. of gypsum
2.9 oz. of vegetable oil

And about 1/2 gallon of water for the waterings.

Think that would work out?

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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: Hoss]
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Any smaller than a 55 G drum, you don't have much mass.
The mass is what generates heat.
That heat, speeds the process.

Hell - you could could make compost in a gallon jar.
But, the smaller it gets, the less heat it generates.
Meaning, it takes WAY more time to get the job done.

Rather than go that SMALL.
I would just use well weathered h/poo as substrate.
If you have a source.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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Do you need to pasterize the compost before using it?

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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: nambi]
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I would strongly suggest one does. It's easy.

A few hours of steeping at 150F, is all it takes.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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Seeing how easy Agar makes seem the home made compost I finally decided to do my own. :hehehe:

I could get what follows:

wheat straw
horse manure
coffee grounds
fruit/produce refuse
soy bean meal
blood meal
Hot air popped pop corn
gypsum powder
vegetable oil

and my questions are:

what are the best ratio to use?

What are the best fruit to use?

Is ok to add tomatos ? how much?

any other vegetables?

In my area the tap water is very hard, should I use it?

Thanks! :grin:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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An easy guideline for composting is a ratio of 25-30:1. That's 1 part nitrate based products such as green leaves, fruits and vegies, manures, exc. to 25-30 parts of carbon based products such as cured straw, dry grass clippings, dry leaves, coir, paper bags, exc.

Well weathered horse manure is about the best material to replicate the perfect compost mixture. It's ratio is around 25:1 somewhat fresh. I'd use it instead of composting IMHO. But, composting is a good trade to learn too.

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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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You want the main pile volume ratio's to be about.

70% wheat straw & 30% h/poo
(you can go 60/40, 75/25, 80/20%. No big deal)

To that, you can add an additional,

20% fruit/produce (leaf type greens) refuse, hot air popped p/corn, coffee ground mix.
No particular ratio.
Just whatever you have.
Except don't go over 20% additional combined total.

As for adding fruits. Whatever you can get FREE or CHEAP.
Apples are good (crushed).
But, go with whatever is local & inexpensive, or free.
Tomatoes are fine (crushed).

As for gypsum powder, about 1 kilo per 60 kilo of pile.

As for vegetable oil, about 1 liter per 50 kilo of pile.

With the above mix, no need for blood or soy bean meal.
(instead, I would add just a few shovel fulls of poultry litter.
(if you can get some FREE)

The object is to get the best combination, with ease & cheaply.

If I recall, you have a shredder.
I would suggest shedding everything, fine (around 1 or 3 inch).

That will get the pile working faster & it will complete quicker.

As it will result in faster heat up & a fine compost texture.

Think of the pile as a meal, for yourself (except its for mycelium).

You want meat (in this case h/poo), potatoes/vegetable (in this case wheat straw).
Those are the main ingredients.

All in all, the rest is desert & the vegetable oil is the wine.

(note, if there is a beer brewery anywhere around you.
Spent grains from breweries, is also a good addition).


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Snaggletooth said:
I found my lifetime supply of FREE hpoo on  craigslist  :grin:

Just have not took advantage of it yet. :mushroom2:


Well I checked this craigs list out and found I could get this for free, but its not just horse poo, heres what it says," Very nice Organic horse, goat and Alpaca manure, mixed with hay and straw. Some is already black soil." Do you all think it would work or not?  :thumbup: :thumbdown:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: Rickster]
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Looks good :thumbup:

I think I should get my AA 941 soon :wink:

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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
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What exactly is "fruit/produce refuse?" I have a friend who is the manager at a local grocery store, but Im sure he's going to look at me with a dumbfounded look on his face if i tell him i need fruit/produce refuse. What exactly is it? Need to know what im asking for.

BTW you are the shit Agar. I was looking at Highmountaincompost.com and almost pissed my pants when i read that they sell 3.50 per pound! Yikes, their is no way im ever buying compost small amounts of compost at those prices when it seems so easy to make more than ill know what to do with for so cheap.  :wink:

Not to knock the website down BTW, im sure their product is awesome for those who dont have the means of making their own compost, but im def not in that category.


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: Akira]
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fruit/produce refuse = fruit that is spoiled, or bruised. Ya know, stuff they can't sell anymore. Because it is just a tiny bit too old.

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nice thread, Agar
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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: Jaeger]
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Jaeger said:
fruit/produce refuse = fruit that is spoiled, or bruised. Ya know, stuff they can't sell anymore. Because it is just a tiny bit too old.


So rotten fruits or vegetables are fine?


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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FGL said:
Jaeger said:
fruit/produce refuse = fruit that is spoiled, or bruised.  Ya know, stuff they can't sell anymore. Because it is just a tiny bit too old.


So rotten fruits or vegetables are fine?


YES........ :thumbup:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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And what about if the fruits have mold? :runaway:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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??? :boxerface:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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FGL said:
And what about if the fruits have mold? :runaway:


Still good to go.  :thumbup:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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I would think that the heat that the compost generates would take care of most nasties. Besides, you are pasturizing it before use.

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Many thanks Agar for all this great info! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :yourock:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: Jaeger]
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If your pile has enough bulk to it.
It will generate temperatures that will kill most contaminate type molds.
Besides that, other microbes in the pile will EAT the bastards.  :grin:

Any that survive get killed of in phase 2 (peak heating) pasteurization.
If you are unable to peak heat bulk amounts.

Simply pasteurize smaller amounts in plastic bags, using a pot of hot water, before use.

To insure things.
I would pasteurize compost much longer than most do here.

It is not difficult (or expensive)to modify an old refrigerator, or any type large metal cabinet, or even build a big wooden box - with shelves. That you can place big shallow trays of compost in. Then heat the container to the 150 / 155F constant range for 2 or 3 days.

A small electric hot plate, with a metal pot of water heated on it.
Will usually do the trick.
Just make sure the pot doesn't steam dry.


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agar said:
A small electric hot plate, with a metal pot of water heated on it.
Will usually do the trick.
Just make sure the pot doesn't steam dry.


What do you think about an electric hot plate under a metal drum?
the metal drum will have about 30cm of water in the bottom like this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4355760

so better to pasteurized for two days with this tek as well?  :mushroom2:


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???????? :blazed:


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FGL said:
agar said:
A small electric hot plate, with a metal pot of water heated on it.
Will usually do the trick.
Just make sure the pot doesn't steam dry.


What do you think about an electric hot plate under a metal drum?
the metal drum will have about 30cm of water in the bottom like this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4355760

so better to pasteurized for two days with this tek as well?  :mushroom2:


Where are you, AGAR? :rolleyes: :idea: :sunny: :royalrainbow: :blazed:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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The popcorn interests me. Do you think the endospores are killed during the heating & popping? Could you add 50/50 water to popped corn and then sterilize it with a simple steaming?

Have you tried normal oil popped corn? seems the oil should be no problem since you are already recommending to add veg oil to the mixture anyway.

Do you think popcorn could be used alone as a bulk sub? soak and squeeze and just spawn as normal.

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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: blackout]
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blackout said:
The popcorn interests me. Do you think the endospores are killed during the heating & popping? 


I have the same question, HELP with This!!! :freakybirdthing:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: FGL]
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FGL said:
FGL said:
agar said:
A small electric hot plate, with a metal pot of water heated on it.
Will usually do the trick.
Just make sure the pot doesn't steam dry.


What do you think about an electric hot plate under a metal drum?
the metal drum will have about 30cm of water in the bottom like this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4355760

so better to pasteurized for two days with this tek as well?  :mushroom2:


Where are you, AGAR? :rolleyes: :idea: :sunny: :royalrainbow: :blazed:



Per his PM message he says he will not be around for the next few weeks.

So I would figure it out with out him or just wait till he's back  :wink:


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Re: Agar's Home Made Compost recipe for bulk substrates [Re: agar]
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Asura can i use grain to replace fruit or meat?
Ie rye and oats (non prep or crushed)

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