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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Horsewithnoname]
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I use sauce pan, pour into pouring jar, then pc. After 60 minutes I pour from jar to cups to cool. Inoculate same day. My first pour was horrible, switched jars and am good to go now.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Prolific Koi] * 1
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Hi, Grain to malt yeast Agar 12 days ago. Temperature has been around 66 - 72 degrees fahrenheit. How are my plates looking?  Plate A has shown some quick growth and has expanded fuzzy / fluffing upward. Is it healthy?  This is my first time using agar and attempting to grow mushrooms. Grain came out of a grain bag I inoculated with spore syringe.  Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.


Edited by vandelay (06/17/23 05:10 PM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Horsewithnoname]
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Prolific Koi said:
I use sauce pan, pour into pouring jar, then pc. After 60 minutes I pour from jar to cups to cool. Inoculate same day. My first pour was horrible, switched jars and am good to go now.


Horsewithnoname said:
sprocket said:
It seems to have reduced the condensation as compared to my last batch. Next time I'll use hotter water and maybe a deeper pan to reduce it even more. As is everything in this hobby, it's a work in progress



For no-pours, I do batches of 10 at a time. To "fix" condensation what I've been doing is boiling water once the cycle is close to ending. I take the no pours out of the PC while still hot and I take other no pour containers that are unused, put one on top of each of the ones with agar and pour boiling water on top.

It works super well and relatively easy for small amounts of no pour containers. Easier to handle than the pan full of water ๐Ÿ˜…



About half of my run today was the snap on lid slime cups. I stacked them up 5 high and the first 3-4 cops had a very acceptable amount of condensation. Next time I'll put a cup of boiling water on the top jar of the stacks.  I usually do 20 ish cup runs, but I have a bunch of transfers to do and some swabs to germinate, hence the rather large run this time.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: vandelay] * 1
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Looks good to me. Just transfer sooner.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: vandelay] * 1
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vandelay said:
Hi, Grain to malt yeast Agar 12 days ago. Temperature has been around 66 - 72 degrees fahrenheit. How are my plates looking?  Plate A has shown some quick growth and has expanded fuzzy / fluffing upward. Is it healthy?  This is my first time using agar and attempting to grow mushrooms. Grain came out of a grain bag I inoculated with spore syringe.  Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.





Chamo is correct. Transfer sooner. You can still transfer from that, From the rhizo, rooty, part not at the edge of A, or on the edge of B.

But you can transfer when it's half filled the plate, even sooner. You're just looking for good organized mycelium, and lack of contam. Or if you have contam, enough to transfer from not near the contam.

I usually do it when the circle is about an inch and a half to two inches.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: nektar61]
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Chamo is correct. Transfer sooner. You can still transfer from that, From the rhizo, rooty, part not at the edge of A, or on the edge of B.

But you can transfer when it's half filled the plate, even sooner. You're just looking for good organized mycelium, and lack of contam. Or if you have contam, enough to transfer from not near the contam.

I usually do it when the circle is about an inch and a half to two inches.



Thanks for the advice. Does Plate A look like contam on the outer edge where it's more fuzzy, or is the rhizo/rooty part just the strongest to transfer? For an example, how much of Plate A, would you use to transfer to agar and grain jars?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: vandelay]
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You can see how the mycelium uniformly changes. It is not โ€œfuzzyโ€ in patches or in only one area. Itโ€™s never 100% with pictures, as a contam can easily be hiding in there. But your plates look good.

The great thing about agar is that it can be forgiving. If you happen to transfer a contam, isolate the plate and then carefully transfer the mycelium away from said contam.

For plate A I would take transfers from the edge that does not touch the side of the Petri dish. You can take as different transfers from that single plate as you have room for. They will all become mother plates with which you can use to continue transferring or to inoculate grains.

When I inoculate grains I allow the plates to grow out more time than for transferring, and cut it into sections like a pizza.

It all looks healthy. No way to find out except keepin onโ€ฆ:rockon:

Also, I donโ€™t know if someone mentioned it already, but try to put your grain piece or your transfer in the middle of the plate.

Edited by Chamo (06/18/23 08:40 AM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Chamo]
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X posted cause Iโ€™m curious.

These are unused agar plates that were prepared 5/24. Took them off the shelf to get some transfers done this morning and this is what I found. These are the last 3 plates out of 20 and none of them ended up with uninvited contam except for these.

Iโ€™m wondering what this is. Especially that sandy looking one.

Also how did happen? Should I be storing my agar plates a specific way? Right now theyโ€™re just in the closet on a shelf.
I tried refrigerating a batch once and they all ended up contaminated and with a ton of condensation so havenโ€™t tried that again.

Anyone??



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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Chamo]
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Chamo said:
You can see how the mycelium uniformly changes. It is not โ€œfuzzyโ€ in patches or in only one area. Itโ€™s never 100% with pictures, as a contam can easily be hiding in there. But your plates look good.

The great thing about agar is that it can be forgiving. If you happen to transfer a contam, isolate the plate and then carefully transfer the mycelium away from said contam.

For plate A I would take transfers from the edge that does not touch the side of the Petri dish. You can take as different transfers from that single plate as you have room for. They will all become mother plates with which you can use to continue transferring or to inoculate grains.

When I inoculate grains I allow the plates to grow out more time than for transferring, and cut it into sections like a pizza.

It all looks healthy. No way to find out except keepin onโ€ฆ:rockon:

Also, I donโ€™t know if someone mentioned it already, but try to put your grain piece or your transfer in the middle of the plate.



Thank You

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: TonyCanoli] * 1
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TonyCanoli said:
X posted cause Iโ€™m curious.

These are unused agar plates that were prepared 5/24. Took them off the shelf to get some transfers done this morning and this is what I found. These are the last 3 plates out of 20 and none of them ended up with uninvited contam except for these.

Iโ€™m wondering what this is. Especially that sandy looking one.

Also how did happen? Should I be storing my agar plates a specific way? Right now theyโ€™re just in the closet on a shelf.
I tried refrigerating a batch once and they all ended up contaminated and with a ton of condensation so havenโ€™t tried that again.

Anyone??





Well whatever it is it ainโ€™t good lol.

Plates should stay good at room temp for months if prepared properly. Refrigeration likewise should have no impact on whether or not your agar contaminates.

I think it would be worth examining your prep process.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Will do. I canโ€™t imagine I could be any cleaner but who knows. Iโ€™m going to notate all of my steps and post them maybe Iโ€™m missing something.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: TonyCanoli] * 2
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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: TonyCanoli] * 1
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TonyCanoli said:
Will do. I canโ€™t imagine I could be any cleaner but who knows. Iโ€™m going to notate all of my steps and post them maybe Iโ€™m missing something.



Highly recommend that. Journaling here is also good. People do read them.


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Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Chamo]
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Chamo said:
Desensitize yourself to the culling of the mother plates :lol: :rant:



Nah, I'm going to keep cutting her up until she gives me something that looks as clean and organised as she was.

Holy fuck that came out sounding waaaay darker than I thought it would. Still, point stands.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: altford78]
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Fair enough. How many transfers do you expect before you have something clean?

Unless that mother plate was an isolate (doesnโ€™t appear to be) nothing that you transfer will appear the same.

Edited by Chamo (06/18/23 12:44 PM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Chamo]
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No I mean something that doesn't look like a kid threw a bunch of paint on the wall. Just circular uniform growth, I don't ask for much.

I don't like it when they grow all funky, I'm never sure if it's contam or just myc being myc.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: altford78]
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Your 8 plates that you transferred look great. I donโ€™t know why you are talking badly about them. The sectors are more distinct  than the mother plate. I think those are impressive transfers.

Edited by Chamo (06/18/23 01:32 PM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Chamo]
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Chamo said:
Your 8 plates that you transferred look great. I donโ€™t know why you are talking badly about them. The sectors are more distinct  than the mother plate. I think those are impressive transfers.



Really? You like those?  Maybe I'm just being unreasonable here then.
When you say they are great, you mean great for more transfers or great as in good enough for grain?

That's the mother plate bottom right, I was hoping to get something uniform like that.



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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: altford78] * 2
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Psilocybe neoxalapensis and a friend



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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: altford78]
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If you want something that is uniform every time you will need to continue transferring from each of those plates, with the goal being to make a transfer until there are no more sections in the mycelium. When you have an individual strain of mycelium, it will grow uniformly. And so, those 8 plates are a good sign to show sections like that. Because depending on how many spores you originally used, one of those plates could potentially have enough isolation projects to last a year. That is the only reason I jokingly said to โ€œdesensitizeโ€. Because obtaining an isolate can take a long time

Basically what Iโ€™m saying is that if you just keep transferring from one mother plate you are repeating yourself and starting back at 0 every time.
Continue transferring down the line of plates and eventually you will get uniform growth

Edited by Chamo (06/18/23 01:51 PM)

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