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If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general * 5
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Too often I have voted for what I felt was the lesser of two evils during elections; I'm not doing that this time around.  To hell with both political parties!  If Sanders doesn't win the nomination, I'll just stay home and watch Trump win re-election, not that I like him either.  But at the end of the day, I think the biggest difference between Trump and Biden is their presentation and minor policy differences.  I don't believe for a moment that anything in this country would fundamentally change even if Biden were to win the general -- and trust me, he won't!


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius] * 5
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A lot of us here are already on that train.

#writeinbernie


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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If you  guys actually thought Bernie would win a rigged election that he already lost before then I would like to say thanks for not voting . You doing everyone else a solid .


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Psilynut2] * 3
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Lil baby needs his bottle?


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<--This fuckin guy

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: lighthouse09]
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If your going to flame me could you at least do it in a way that makes  me laugh ? I like to be entertained . It’s not my fault Bernie conned everyone with his hopeless revolution .


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Edited by Psilynut2 (03/30/20 07:57 AM)

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Psilynut2] * 7
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Psilynut2 said:
If your going to flame me could you at least do it in a way that makes  me laugh ? I like to be entertained . It’s not my fault Bernie conned everyone with his hopeless revolution .



The only con is that people were led to believe Bernie's ideas are nothing but hopeless revolution.  And I know Bernie talks about revolution -- that's what he has to do because we have moved so far away from logic and reason in this country.  But do you think it's revolutionary for public universities to be free?  They used to be free in this country.  Do you think it is revolutionary to not become bankrupted because of medical debt?  People were not always bankrupted for receiving medical treatment in this country.  Do you think it is revolutionary to save the planet we inhabit?  I call that a logical response to something which poses a detriment to our health and security and that of future generations.

It's sad when doing what is logical, compassionate, and possible is called hopeless revolution.  The only ones who are hopeless, evidently, are the ones who cannot see that.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius] * 1
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COVID-19 Pandemic Shows That We Don't Need Return to Normalcy—We Need President Bernie Sanders
Middle America: What happened to the revolution?
byRuth Conniff
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As Sanders pointed out, the United States spends twice as much per capita on health care as other developed countries, but our patchwork of private insurance providers that exclude millions of people leaves us woefully unprepared to launch an effective, coordinated response to this public health crisis.

In the March 15 debate, Sanders hectored Biden about his past positions—supporting the bank bailout; making floor speeches in favor of the budget-balancing Bowles-Simpson Act, which included cuts to Social Security and Medicare; taking contributions from the pharmaceutical industry; voting for the Iraq War, the Defense of Marriage Act, and, repeatedly, the Hyde Amendment that bars the use of federal funds for abortion.

Biden... pretended he had never supported austerity and bank deregulation. He seemed incredulous that Sanders even brought it up. After all, he’s winning. It’s time to pretend he’s a progressive champion, and it’s Sanders’s job to help him with that, not dig into his past.

Biden wasn’t prepared to relitigate his whole, long record. He expected to be allowed to morph into the candidate voters want him to be. That’s the realistic approach to politics.

“It is time to ask how we get to where we are,” Sanders said in his closing statement. It is time “to rethink America,” to try to make it “a country where we care about each other,” not “a nation of greed and corruption.”

More people are listening to progressive ideas, as the inequities of our current system become increasingly indefensible.

We need the Sanders revolution more than ever.



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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius] * 5
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Don't do that. Vote for a 3rd party. It may seem pointless to vote for a candidate that has no chance of winning but in doing so you're saying, "I'm a voter and if you want my vote next time you'll have to run someone more like this guy."


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kizzle] * 1
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If we're gonna be hopeless revolutionaries why don't we push for real change?  Seize the means of production, guillotine the upper class if they resist.  Free education and healthcare is nowhere near enough.

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Babylon] * 1
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I wonder how many of the people that think like this have another option?

I mean, sure, Biden is a band-aid on a gunshot wound, but not Biden is an additional gunshot wound.

So ask yourself: can you get out? Do you have a backup plan for when the US collapses?

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos] * 4
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Sometimes people find out about their cancer because they went to the doctor for an unrelated injury/illness.  If an additional gunshot wound is what it takes to get us to the ER, it might be for the best

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: ballsalsa]
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One of the reasons that I used the medical analogy of a gunshot wound is because your body is a system with many small individuals parts working together. Much like a society is a system in which many small people work together.

So, which people do we sacrifice to get our cancer diagnosis? Are you ready to give your life for the greater good?

I'm not.

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos] * 1
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How are we going to give our lives with Trump?  He appears to have less war monger tendencies than neoliberals like Biden, and I haven't heard a thing from Biden (whose dementia appears to be getting worse) on how he'd handle the coronavirus better than Trump.

But I'm listening...


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos] * 4
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It seems that the world has forced our hand on the sacrifice part already without having to choose.  The pandemic has laid bare for many people just how inequitable our society is.  I don't know if it was enough, soon enough, yet.

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: ballsalsa]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
How are we going to give our lives with Trump?  He appears to have less war monger tendencies than neoliberals like Biden, and I haven't heard a thing from Biden (whose dementia appears to be getting worse) on how he'd handle the coronavirus better than Trump.

But I'm listening...


Not everything is about war, dude. Sometimes, people die without going to war.

ballsalsa said:
It seems that the world has forced our hand on the sacrifice part already without having to choose.  The pandemic has laid bare for many people just how inequitable our society is.  I don't know if it was enough, soon enough, yet.


Honestly, I was kinda hoping you'd be less ambivalent. Sure, I challenged your position, but I fundamentally agree with it. I think a large scale die-off in the US would ultimately be a good wake up call. Especially one caused by disease, which is going to disproportionately affect older people. I'm kinda sick of having a government of geriatrics. If I can't trust someone to not let a load loose in their pants without a diaper, why would I trust them to run the government? They literally cannot control their own shit.

I am worried that it will lead to either more MAGAterrorists or a full scale civil war, though. I don't expect the GOP to give up power without a fight.

Which is why if I had to pick a group of people to sacrifice for the greater good, it's probably the diehard MAGAs.

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos] * 2
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How is the GOP any different than the current Dem's?  Look at the stimulus package that was passed by BOTH parties last week. It's a ONE party system.

MAGA is old news man, ancient history.

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman] * 1
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Yes, the stimulus package that was created entirely by the Senate GOP, and kept hidden from the House until the absolute last moment.

You can call it both sides, but I don't remember Zika, Ebola, or H1N1 being that bad. They were pretty bad overseas, sure, but not here. I also remember multiple government officials from only one party trying to hold up the stimulus bill because some people earned less than 600$ a month and they didn't want them getting a full 600$ payment. That would be the same party that is currently trying to kill Obamacare.

Also the party that decided to say "We don't need any government oversight, because I will be the oversight".

MAGA is ancient history the same way the swastika is ancient history. It's a permanent stain that won't ever wash away, and the only people that are desperate to forget it are the people that are stained.

There are no good republicans.

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
How are we going to give our lives with Trump?  He appears to have less war monger tendencies than neoliberals like Biden...


Not everything is about war, dude. Sometimes, people die without going to war.


So people are going to die because... why?

qman said:
Kryptos said:
I think a large scale die-off in the US would ultimately be a good wake up call.


How is the GOP any different than the current Dem's?  Look at the stimulus package that was passed by BOTH parties last week. It's a ONE party system.


Exactly.

Kryptos said:
the stimulus package that was created entirely by the Senate GOP.


Source?


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos] * 3
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Kryptos said:
Yes, the stimulus package that was created entirely by the Senate GOP, and kept hidden from the House until the absolute last moment.

You can call it both sides, but I don't remember Zika, Ebola, or H1N1 being that bad. They were pretty bad overseas, sure, but not here. I also remember multiple government officials from only one party trying to hold up the stimulus bill because some people earned less than 600$ a month and they didn't want them getting a full 600$ payment. That would be the same party that is currently trying to kill Obamacare.

Also the party that decided to say "We don't need any government oversight, because I will be the oversight".

MAGA is ancient history the same way the swastika is ancient history. It's a permanent stain that won't ever wash away, and the only people that are desperate to forget it are the people that are stained.

There are no good republicans.


MAGA is ancient history because it was a big failure. Trump supporters didn't make any social or economic gains from his MAGA campaign. MAGA didn't have any impact on anything in US culture, it's done.

As far as the political theater coming from the D's and R's, I wouldn't take it very seriously considering BOTH parties are bought and owned by the same exact entities. They have to present opposing positions on key issues to create their illusions. There's no moral high ground in the game of political theater.

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
How is the GOP any different than the current Dem's?  Look at the stimulus package that was passed by BOTH parties last week. It's a ONE party system.

MAGA is old news man, ancient history.



Even though I think the stimulus package provides insufficient money for working citizens, I agree with you, Q.  There really isn't much difference between either party.  I never thought I'd be saying that but it's the truth.  The biggest difference between the parties is found in their worldview of a handful of social issues.

Bernie Sanders is the real deal, imo.  I don't think he would personally write blank checks for votes, although he would still be limited in what he wants to accomplish, should he be elected, as he would face severe opposition from both the Democrats and Republicans. But I would still rather have him in office than Trump or Biden as there really isn't much difference between those two.  They're both suffering from mental decline, both suffer from delusions of grandeur, and both have fucked over-- and will continue to fuck over -- hard-working people to give tax cuts to the rich.


God bless 'Murica!

Edited by Asclepius (03/31/20 05:27 PM)

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