|
Asclepius
Human Being



Registered: 01/09/18
Posts: 2,209
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
#26579247 - 04/05/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I wouldn't be surprised either.
-------------------- A society governed in terms of double standards is self-destructive
|
Falcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger



Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 4 months, 21 days
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius] 1
#26579472 - 04/05/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Asclepius said: Q, Sanders supporters simply cannot convince establishment Democrats that he can carry Independents better than Biden.
Establishment Dems KNOW Bernie can carry Independents better than Biden. But establishment Dems would prefer Trump to Bernie, as Trump isn't raising taxes on the super wealthy.
-------------------- I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them. I also attack my side if I think they're wrong. People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.
|
Asclepius
Human Being



Registered: 01/09/18
Posts: 2,209
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26579896 - 04/05/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Excellent point. Disgusting, isn't it?
-------------------- A society governed in terms of double standards is self-destructive
|
Kryptos
Stranger

Registered: 11/01/14
Posts: 12,262
Last seen: 3 minutes, 23 seconds
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
#26579899 - 04/05/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Not really.
It's kind of hard to be disgusted by something that is the natural conclusion of the actions you take. At least, for those with a modicum of foresight.
Same reason I think that one guy that was hoarding hand sanitizer was right. The state was wrong to force him to give it back, I think he was well within his rights to do what he did.
|
Falcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger



Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 4 months, 21 days
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos] 1
#26579962 - 04/05/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Perhaps under the current system you are right. Is it time for another FDR style revolution in America yet?
-------------------- I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them. I also attack my side if I think they're wrong. People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.
|
Enlil
OTD God-King




Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,496
Loc: Uncanny Valley
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
#26580001 - 04/05/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Kryptos said:
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the GOP states cancel their elections (and claim its because of coronavirus) and simply send their electors to vote for Trump.
I don't see how that would ever pass constitutional muster
-------------------- Censoring opposing views since 2014. Ask an Attorney Fuck the Amish
|
Asclepius
Human Being



Registered: 01/09/18
Posts: 2,209
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26580054 - 04/05/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I'm not a legal expert but what about the excuse of extenuating circumstances? Warrantless wiretapping is also unconstitutional -- that didn't stop the U.S. Government from collecting the meta-data of all U.S. citizens post-9/11. How is it any worse than gerrymandering?
-------------------- A society governed in terms of double standards is self-destructive
|
Enlil
OTD God-King




Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,496
Loc: Uncanny Valley
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
#26580057 - 04/05/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Asclepius said: Warrantless wiretapping is also unconstitutional -- that didn't stop the U.S. Government from collecting the meta-data of all U.S. citizens post-9/11.
Shooting someone in the face is illegal - that didn't stop someone from inventing the game Monopoly.
That's about the same logic as yours.
Gerrymandering is constitutional. "Extenuating Circumstances" isn't an exception to the U.S. Constitutional requirement that guarantees a republican government.
-------------------- Censoring opposing views since 2014. Ask an Attorney Fuck the Amish
|
Asclepius
Human Being



Registered: 01/09/18
Posts: 2,209
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26580107 - 04/05/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Enlil said: Shooting someone in the face is illegal - that didn't stop someone from inventing the game Monopoly.
That's about the same logic as yours.
You lost me... I'm listening.
-------------------- A society governed in terms of double standards is self-destructive
|
Enlil
OTD God-King




Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,496
Loc: Uncanny Valley
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
#26580130 - 04/05/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Meta data collection isn't in any way similar to wiretapping.
-------------------- Censoring opposing views since 2014. Ask an Attorney Fuck the Amish
|
R.I.P.Zappa
Myco Melyco


Registered: 03/30/18
Posts: 1,212
Loc: In Between Space and Time
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26580155 - 04/05/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Biden is most likely finished now, as in no contest, now that trump is adopting Bernie's health care plan.
Like Jimmy pointed out, "looks like the republicans listened to Bernie better than the democrats did."
-------------------- -The heaviest thing one will ever carry is a thought- -"Like a Blind man In an orgy you gotta feel things out.".- -When we agree about our hallucinations, we call it “reality".- -If you defy authority because your told to, that's no better than blindly trusting authority.- psychonautwiki.org How it should & shouldn't look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE BOD's Easy AF OAT prep tek. Principles of mushroom growing for beginners
|
Asclepius
Human Being



Registered: 01/09/18
Posts: 2,209
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26580166 - 04/05/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Enlil said: Meta data collection isn't in any way similar to wiretapping.
I am certain the government also collects actual data of average citizens, although I cannot confirm this with factual evidence. I nonetheless feel as though the collection of meta data is an invasion of privacy. How do they use this information is the question, and to what end? If it's no biggy, why go after Snowden?
My point is the government does whatever it pleases; they violate the Constitution all the time. Maybe I used a bad example, but the premise I presented is not wrong.
-------------------- A society governed in terms of double standards is self-destructive
Edited by Asclepius (04/05/20 06:28 PM)
|
Enlil
OTD God-King




Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,496
Loc: Uncanny Valley
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
#26580180 - 04/05/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Privacy is not a right enumerated in the Constitution.
Also, what makes you think the government violates the constitution all of the time?
-------------------- Censoring opposing views since 2014. Ask an Attorney Fuck the Amish
|
Asclepius
Human Being



Registered: 01/09/18
Posts: 2,209
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26580205 - 04/05/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
I forgot, you're a lawyer, aren't you? I believe you, man. But it fucking sucks! Guess there's nothing we can do about it as citizens, yeah?
-------------------- A society governed in terms of double standards is self-destructive
|
Asclepius
Human Being



Registered: 01/09/18
Posts: 2,209
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26580208 - 04/05/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Well, I'm having a difficult time discussing the topic of the election with you. I have a lot to learn, Enlil.
-------------------- A society governed in terms of double standards is self-destructive
|
specialpeopleclub


Registered: 04/10/14
Posts: 5,584
Loc: Mitten
Last seen: 3 years, 7 months
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
#26580268 - 04/05/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Kryptos said: Q's right.
Trump will win re-election, with somewhere between 42-45% of the vote.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the GOP states cancel their elections (and claim its because of coronavirus) and simply send their electors to vote for Trump.
So how wouldn't be surprised if something completely unprecedented that would destroy the party that does it, happened?
Seems like a good prediction
--------------------
|
Kryptos
Stranger

Registered: 11/01/14
Posts: 12,262
Last seen: 3 minutes, 23 seconds
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26580283 - 04/05/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Enlil said:
Quote:
Kryptos said:
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the GOP states cancel their elections (and claim its because of coronavirus) and simply send their electors to vote for Trump.
I don't see how that would ever pass constitutional muster
There is nothing in Article 2 that says the states need to have public elections. Simply that states have a certain number of electoral votes based on population. How those electoral votes are decided is entirely up to the state governments.
So if you've got a state with a GOP controlled legislature and governor, or at least a veto-proof majority in the legislature, I see no legal reason why they can't simply cancel elections and assign their electors to Dear Leader.
I believe that the states that meet the above criteria have a total of 219 votes. 51 short of re-election.
|
Kryptos
Stranger

Registered: 11/01/14
Posts: 12,262
Last seen: 3 minutes, 23 seconds
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26580301 - 04/05/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
specialpeopleclub said:
Quote:
Kryptos said: Q's right.
Trump will win re-election, with somewhere between 42-45% of the vote.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the GOP states cancel their elections (and claim its because of coronavirus) and simply send their electors to vote for Trump.
So how wouldn't be surprised if something completely unprecedented that would destroy the party that does it, happened?
Seems like a good prediction
The GOP has cancelled primaries where people decided to oppose Dear Leader.
Why wouldn't they do the same statewide?
|
Enlil
OTD God-King




Registered: 08/16/03
Posts: 65,496
Loc: Uncanny Valley
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
#26580326 - 04/05/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Article II? I don't see the relevance of that.
-------------------- Censoring opposing views since 2014. Ask an Attorney Fuck the Amish
|
Babylon
Shaman


Registered: 05/15/11
Posts: 442
Last seen: 2 years, 8 months
|
Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26580403 - 04/05/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Quote:
Asclepius said: Q, Sanders supporters simply cannot convince establishment Democrats that he can carry Independents better than Biden.
Establishment Dems KNOW Bernie can carry Independents better than Biden. But establishment Dems would prefer Trump to Bernie, as Trump isn't raising taxes on the super wealthy.
If by establishment Dems you mean the folks running things yes that is true, however there are a lot of normal folks who are not running things, who are moderate Democrats who genuinely believe Biden is more likely to win. They don't prefer Trump, in fact many of them hate him passionately.
|
|