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#26565613 - 03/29/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Too often I have voted for what I felt was the lesser of two evils during elections; I'm not doing that this time around. To hell with both political parties! If Sanders doesn't win the nomination, I'll just stay home and watch Trump win re-election, not that I like him either. But at the end of the day, I think the biggest difference between Trump and Biden is their presentation and minor policy differences. I don't believe for a moment that anything in this country would fundamentally change even if Biden were to win the general -- and trust me, he won't!
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius] 5
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A lot of us here are already on that train.
#writeinbernie
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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If you guys actually thought Bernie would win a rigged election that he already lost before then I would like to say thanks for not voting . You doing everyone else a solid .
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: lighthouse09]
#26566698 - 03/30/20 07:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If your going to flame me could you at least do it in a way that makes me laugh ? I like to be entertained . It’s not my fault Bernie conned everyone with his hopeless revolution .
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The only con is that people were led to believe Bernie's ideas are nothing but hopeless revolution. And I know Bernie talks about revolution -- that's what he has to do because we have moved so far away from logic and reason in this country. But do you think it's revolutionary for public universities to be free? They used to be free in this country. Do you think it is revolutionary to not become bankrupted because of medical debt? People were not always bankrupted for receiving medical treatment in this country. Do you think it is revolutionary to save the planet we inhabit? I call that a logical response to something which poses a detriment to our health and security and that of future generations.
It's sad when doing what is logical, compassionate, and possible is called hopeless revolution. The only ones who are hopeless, evidently, are the ones who cannot see that.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius] 1
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COVID-19 Pandemic Shows That We Don't Need Return to Normalcy—We Need President Bernie Sanders Middle America: What happened to the revolution? byRuth Conniff
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. . . As Sanders pointed out, the United States spends twice as much per capita on health care as other developed countries, but our patchwork of private insurance providers that exclude millions of people leaves us woefully unprepared to launch an effective, coordinated response to this public health crisis.
In the March 15 debate, Sanders hectored Biden about his past positions—supporting the bank bailout; making floor speeches in favor of the budget-balancing Bowles-Simpson Act, which included cuts to Social Security and Medicare; taking contributions from the pharmaceutical industry; voting for the Iraq War, the Defense of Marriage Act, and, repeatedly, the Hyde Amendment that bars the use of federal funds for abortion.
Biden... pretended he had never supported austerity and bank deregulation. He seemed incredulous that Sanders even brought it up. After all, he’s winning. It’s time to pretend he’s a progressive champion, and it’s Sanders’s job to help him with that, not dig into his past.
Biden wasn’t prepared to relitigate his whole, long record. He expected to be allowed to morph into the candidate voters want him to be. That’s the realistic approach to politics.
“It is time to ask how we get to where we are,” Sanders said in his closing statement. It is time “to rethink America,” to try to make it “a country where we care about each other,” not “a nation of greed and corruption.”
More people are listening to progressive ideas, as the inequities of our current system become increasingly indefensible.
We need the Sanders revolution more than ever.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius] 5
#26568249 - 03/30/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't do that. Vote for a 3rd party. It may seem pointless to vote for a candidate that has no chance of winning but in doing so you're saying, "I'm a voter and if you want my vote next time you'll have to run someone more like this guy."
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kizzle] 1
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If we're gonna be hopeless revolutionaries why don't we push for real change? Seize the means of production, guillotine the upper class if they resist. Free education and healthcare is nowhere near enough.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Babylon] 1
#26568526 - 03/31/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wonder how many of the people that think like this have another option?
I mean, sure, Biden is a band-aid on a gunshot wound, but not Biden is an additional gunshot wound.
So ask yourself: can you get out? Do you have a backup plan for when the US collapses?
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Sometimes people find out about their cancer because they went to the doctor for an unrelated injury/illness. If an additional gunshot wound is what it takes to get us to the ER, it might be for the best
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: ballsalsa]
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One of the reasons that I used the medical analogy of a gunshot wound is because your body is a system with many small individuals parts working together. Much like a society is a system in which many small people work together.
So, which people do we sacrifice to get our cancer diagnosis? Are you ready to give your life for the greater good?
I'm not.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos] 1
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How are we going to give our lives with Trump? He appears to have less war monger tendencies than neoliberals like Biden, and I haven't heard a thing from Biden (whose dementia appears to be getting worse) on how he'd handle the coronavirus better than Trump.
But I'm listening...
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos] 4
#26569213 - 03/31/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It seems that the world has forced our hand on the sacrifice part already without having to choose. The pandemic has laid bare for many people just how inequitable our society is. I don't know if it was enough, soon enough, yet.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: ballsalsa]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: How are we going to give our lives with Trump? He appears to have less war monger tendencies than neoliberals like Biden, and I haven't heard a thing from Biden (whose dementia appears to be getting worse) on how he'd handle the coronavirus better than Trump.
But I'm listening...
Not everything is about war, dude. Sometimes, people die without going to war.
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Honestly, I was kinda hoping you'd be less ambivalent. Sure, I challenged your position, but I fundamentally agree with it. I think a large scale die-off in the US would ultimately be a good wake up call. Especially one caused by disease, which is going to disproportionately affect older people. I'm kinda sick of having a government of geriatrics. If I can't trust someone to not let a load loose in their pants without a diaper, why would I trust them to run the government? They literally cannot control their own shit.
I am worried that it will lead to either more MAGAterrorists or a full scale civil war, though. I don't expect the GOP to give up power without a fight.
Which is why if I had to pick a group of people to sacrifice for the greater good, it's probably the diehard MAGAs.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos] 2
#26569316 - 03/31/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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How is the GOP any different than the current Dem's? Look at the stimulus package that was passed by BOTH parties last week. It's a ONE party system.
MAGA is old news man, ancient history.
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#26569381 - 03/31/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, the stimulus package that was created entirely by the Senate GOP, and kept hidden from the House until the absolute last moment.
You can call it both sides, but I don't remember Zika, Ebola, or H1N1 being that bad. They were pretty bad overseas, sure, but not here. I also remember multiple government officials from only one party trying to hold up the stimulus bill because some people earned less than 600$ a month and they didn't want them getting a full 600$ payment. That would be the same party that is currently trying to kill Obamacare.
Also the party that decided to say "We don't need any government oversight, because I will be the oversight".
MAGA is ancient history the same way the swastika is ancient history. It's a permanent stain that won't ever wash away, and the only people that are desperate to forget it are the people that are stained.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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Not everything is about war, dude. Sometimes, people die without going to war.
So people are going to die because... why?
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How is the GOP any different than the current Dem's? Look at the stimulus package that was passed by BOTH parties last week. It's a ONE party system.
Exactly.
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Source?
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Kryptos said: Yes, the stimulus package that was created entirely by the Senate GOP, and kept hidden from the House until the absolute last moment.
You can call it both sides, but I don't remember Zika, Ebola, or H1N1 being that bad. They were pretty bad overseas, sure, but not here. I also remember multiple government officials from only one party trying to hold up the stimulus bill because some people earned less than 600$ a month and they didn't want them getting a full 600$ payment. That would be the same party that is currently trying to kill Obamacare.
Also the party that decided to say "We don't need any government oversight, because I will be the oversight".
MAGA is ancient history the same way the swastika is ancient history. It's a permanent stain that won't ever wash away, and the only people that are desperate to forget it are the people that are stained.
There are no good republicans.
MAGA is ancient history because it was a big failure. Trump supporters didn't make any social or economic gains from his MAGA campaign. MAGA didn't have any impact on anything in US culture, it's done.
As far as the political theater coming from the D's and R's, I wouldn't take it very seriously considering BOTH parties are bought and owned by the same exact entities. They have to present opposing positions on key issues to create their illusions. There's no moral high ground in the game of political theater.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman] 1
#26569597 - 03/31/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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qman said: How is the GOP any different than the current Dem's? Look at the stimulus package that was passed by BOTH parties last week. It's a ONE party system.
MAGA is old news man, ancient history.
Even though I think the stimulus package provides insufficient money for working citizens, I agree with you, Q. There really isn't much difference between either party. I never thought I'd be saying that but it's the truth. The biggest difference between the parties is found in their worldview of a handful of social issues.
Bernie Sanders is the real deal, imo. I don't think he would personally write blank checks for votes, although he would still be limited in what he wants to accomplish, should he be elected, as he would face severe opposition from both the Democrats and Republicans. But I would still rather have him in office than Trump or Biden as there really isn't much difference between those two. They're both suffering from mental decline, both suffer from delusions of grandeur, and both have fucked over-- and will continue to fuck over -- hard-working people to give tax cuts to the rich.
God bless 'Murica!
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman]
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Kryptos said: Yes, the stimulus package that was created entirely by the Senate GOP, and kept hidden from the House until the absolute last moment.
You can call it both sides, but I don't remember Zika, Ebola, or H1N1 being that bad. They were pretty bad overseas, sure, but not here. I also remember multiple government officials from only one party trying to hold up the stimulus bill because some people earned less than 600$ a month and they didn't want them getting a full 600$ payment. That would be the same party that is currently trying to kill Obamacare.
Also the party that decided to say "We don't need any government oversight, because I will be the oversight".
MAGA is ancient history the same way the swastika is ancient history. It's a permanent stain that won't ever wash away, and the only people that are desperate to forget it are the people that are stained.
There are no good republicans.
MAGA is ancient history because it was a big failure. Trump supporters didn't make any social or economic gains from his MAGA campaign. MAGA didn't have any impact on anything in US culture, it's done.
As far as the political theater coming from the D's and R's, I wouldn't take it very seriously considering BOTH parties are bought and owned by the same exact entities. They have to present opposing positions on key issues to create their illusions. There's no moral high ground in the game of political theater.
Is this the same Q? Your views seem drastically different since the last time we spoke.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
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Revolutions always end up so well in history.
The parties are very different. A democratic president would continue allowing in illegals so more people would vote for them. The republicans were corrupted surfing the Bush years because leftie authoritarians (neoliberals) invaded and used the party.
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The parties are very different. A democratic president would continue allowing in illegals so more people would vote for them. The republicans were corrupted surfing the Bush years because leftie authoritarians (neoliberals) invaded and used the party.
The country is founded on free immigration, if you don't want to live in a nation of immigrants there are plenty of other places to go.
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specialpeopleclub said: Revolutions always end up so well in history.
I know you're being flip, but as I recall it was a revolution that allowed for the colonies to gain their independence from the British. Also, not all revolutions are violent -- there's such a thing as social revolution that can shape policy. Think Civil Rights Act on a much grander scale.
Is my understanding of history wrong?
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We were not founded in free immigration That's one of the most historically ignorant things I hear from people.
We were founded by English people trying to make a profit. We had laws about allowing people of good standing to immigrate.
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I know you're being flip, but as I recall it was a revolution that allowed for the colonies to gain their independence from the British. Also, not all revolutions are violent -- there's such a thing as social revolution that can shape policy. Think Civil Rights Act on a much grander scale.
Is my understanding of history wrong?
The American Revolution was won because we had allies and the King was mentally and ill from inbreeding.I We were fortunate to have a good foundation.
The English had a civil war also, but it was relatively lacking in blood. England came out well, and France didn't recover.
The exception isn't the rule, and people often confuse them.
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It seems to me you have a narrow understanding of what the word revolution could mean. It can mean a lot of things depending on the context. You seem rather fixated on violent revolution. 
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Are we really using the word the same? I'm talking about war and something accute, not something like a hundred years technological change.
Bernie ideas are the kind that get people ready to do bad things, unless he gets in there and it is like having Larry David as president
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When did Bernie ever speak of violent revolution? Are you sure we're talking about the same Bernie Sanders? I'm talking about the Bernie Sanders that wants to pass legislation that would make for a more equitable society. Are you averse to egalitarianism? Does it frighten you?
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I am adverse to egalitarianism. It's the antithesis of what this nation was founded in and what made it the wealthiest nation in history many times over.
His policies would cause people to do bad things. He threatens everything the nation was built on.
Why do Jews hate personal liberty so much? Bunch of sheisty communists with their ethnic-state
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Here we go blaming Jewish people. I'm done, dude.
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I didn't blame Jews for anything except perpetuating illiberal ideas, and literally having an ethnic state. almost every prominent Jew here encourages open borders, are against free speech. It shouldn't even be controversial for anyone that's grown up watching U.S. media.
Bernie Sanders is the nicest looking version of the archetype. It's like eliminating the electoral college and how that would destroy the union. The na Nation isn't going to accept a Jewish Socialist president. Except

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That's one of the most historically ignorant things I hear from people.
...why don't immigrants to back to the trash they came from? Wait, they want to make our government like the ones they escaped. I forgot.
"They WANT to make our government like the ones they ESCAPED"?!?
Now THAT is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.
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Taxing the rich at a percentage that is at least as high as the rest of pay in taxes in "bad things"?
Now THAT is the second most ignorant thing I've ever heard.
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The rich already pay most of the taxes. Poor people in the left are so retarded with money they assume the rich throwing their money in the trash that is the government is a more efficient use of resources. From the rhetoric I've been exposed to, it's all an attempt to punish the rich more than using capital well
The government we have and the modern free market evolved our of English culture. English people vote toward Milton Friedman and immigrants vote more then 2:1 for socialist policies.
The thing pharmacies such an attractive place, our acceptance, allows others to come in and attempt to dictate the culture. That's why people from California are leaving and ruining Texas by voting like californians.
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We were founded by English people trying to make a profit. We had laws about allowing people of good standing to immigrate.
I was born here. why don't immigrants to back to the trash they came from? Wait, they want to make our government like the ones they escaped. I forgot..
Could you perhaps name those laws you mention? I don't believe any laws regulating immigration existed prior to world war 2, other than one limiting the amount of folks allowed from China, and that wasn't until the Western Expansion.
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Asclepius said: Too often I have voted for what I felt was the lesser of two evils during elections; I'm not doing that this time around. To hell with both political parties! If Sanders doesn't win the nomination, I'll just stay home and watch Trump win re-election, not that I like him either. But at the end of the day, I think the biggest difference between Trump and Biden is their presentation and minor policy differences. I don't believe for a moment that anything in this country would fundamentally change even if Biden were to win the general -- and trust me, he won't!
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"Being a free white person"
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specialpeopleclub said: The rich already pay most of the taxes.
False. As of 2018, the rich officially pay less taxes than the bottom 90%.
As I explained a while back, I paid more taxes at my high school job ages 16-18 than Amazon, the multibillion dollar company, ever has.
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Thats the type of post a political troll for the republicans would write.
Nope. That's the type of post a non-corporate, Democratic socialist would write.I
Edit: I have donated several hundred dollars to Bernie's campaign. Maybe that makes me anti-Democrat.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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False. As of 2018, the rich officially pay less taxes than the bottom 90%.
As I explained a while back, I paid more taxes at my high school job ages 16-18 than Amazon, the multibillion dollar company, ever has.
This! Amazon paid zero in taxes for the year 2018. I think some other companies as well, maybe Fed-Ex and Google paid nothing or next to nothing for the same calendar year.
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You can call it both sides, but I don't remember Zika, Ebola, or H1N1 being that bad. They were pretty bad overseas, sure, but not here. I also remember multiple government officials from only one party trying to hold up the stimulus bill because some people earned less than 600$ a month and they didn't want them getting a full 600$ payment. That would be the same party that is currently trying to kill Obamacare.
Also the party that decided to say "We don't need any government oversight, because I will be the oversight".
MAGA is ancient history the same way the swastika is ancient history. It's a permanent stain that won't ever wash away, and the only people that are desperate to forget it are the people that are stained.
There are no good republicans.
MAGA is ancient history because it was a big failure. Trump supporters didn't make any social or economic gains from his MAGA campaign. MAGA didn't have any impact on anything in US culture, it's done.
As far as the political theater coming from the D's and R's, I wouldn't take it very seriously considering BOTH parties are bought and owned by the same exact entities. They have to present opposing positions on key issues to create their illusions. There's no moral high ground in the game of political theater.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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His policies would cause people to do bad things. He threatens everything the nation was built on.
Why do Jews hate personal liberty so much? Bunch of sheisty communists with their ethnic-state
You seem to forget that our founders put together our government to be able to evolve with the times and the needs of its people. I think you just need to grow up dude. Just like leftiats boiling wverything down to hitler, your type always boil everything down to the jews. It's hilarious.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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I don't boil anything down to Jews. They aren't the cause of our problems. It's an aspect and more of a symptom of us allowing their culture into ours. It isn't all of them, or some sinister plot. Why would a tribe with ancient strict traditions value what some post-enlightenment Europeans do?
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False. As of 2018, the rich officially pay less taxes than the bottom 90%.
As I explained a while back, I paid more taxes at my high school job ages 16-18 than Amazon, the multibillion dollar company, ever has.
This! Amazon paid zero in taxes for the year 2018. I think some other companies as well, maybe Fed-Ex and Google paid nothing or next to nothing for the same calendar year.
No, buddy. Amazon has literally never paid taxes. not just in 2018, but from day one. Amazon has only collected subsidies from the government.
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Even if Amazon paid no taxes in that measurement, it generates taxes by its activity and existance. These companies also often build infrastructure. The government isn't putting down fiber optics. You are trying to frame it like companies are harmful.
I think you should know your place, special person, and stop trying to leave your caste and value system. We're normal people, you're "special".
Since you seem to think people should know their place.
Also, the government is putting down fiber optics. Companies sure as shit ain't paying for it, why would they? They have no competition.
Same way the only reason rural idiots have electricity and water and sewage is because the government built all of that. It's simply not cost effective for a company to do it.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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False. As of 2018, the rich officially pay less taxes than the bottom 90%.
As I explained a while back, I paid more taxes at my high school job ages 16-18 than Amazon, the multibillion dollar company, ever has.
This! Amazon paid zero in taxes for the year 2018. I think some other companies as well, maybe Fed-Ex and Google paid nothing or next to nothing for the same calendar year.
No, buddy. Amazon has literally never paid taxes. not just in 2018, but from day one. Amazon has only collected subsidies from the government.
That makes me more livid than I already was. I thought one year of paying no taxes was bad enough for a corporation of Amazon's size. And they receive subsidies on top of it?! 😠
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Americans in our society that directly rejects caste and labels forget how important where you come from and what value system you choose/is chosen for you,are
God forbid multiple cultures occupy the same space. And did ot ever occur to you that some jewish families have lived here for generations and are assimilated to our culture? Pur culture that is cimprised of many different cultures that is...
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The whole thing about being Jewish is not-intigrating.
Different cultures occupying the same area is a bad thing. Austria-hungary, Rome, China, Grand Columbia, Central America, Iraq, Sudan.
Not all of these places failed, but people want to live with others like themselves. China has millions of Uygers in concentration camps for example
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So, if you want to live with people like yourself, why don't you...get the fuck out of the US, and go to a country where people are like you?
I don't care that you were born here, because I wasn't and I'm a US citizen. I'm not like you, and I'm not leaving until my promotion comes through and I move to Germany.
Go live where people are like you. Or learn your place in the footnotes of the shittier parts of history, racist.
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Yeah, except plenty of people assimilate fine in america, and get along with people who bring their cultures here.
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They pay a lower percentage than the bottom 50%:
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specialpeopleclub said: The Naturalization Act of 1790.
Thanks, I hadn't been aware of that one, it was repealed 5 years later, but it also bears some looking at. It was racist and sexist, but it didn't restrict immigration whatsoever among white men. If being a white man is synonymous with quality to you, well we clearly have different ideas of quality.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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Thanks, I hadn't been aware of that one, it was repealed 5 years later, but it also bears some looking at. It was racist and sexist, but it didn't restrict immigration whatsoever among white men. If being a white man is synonymous with quality to you, well we clearly have different ideas of quality.
Calling a policy from the 1700's 'racists and sexist'. What a modern idiotic way of labeling someone. Feel like a good person? It wasn't removed and replaced with 'let in all the coloreds, we are a nation without a people'
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I'm not saying no one assimilates, just that it has an obvious history of not working. That's why we have ghettos, still, and people that want to keep those ghettos. It's more complicated than that, with democrats destroying negro institutions by making them integrate, amount other things like the 'new deal's and the CIA giving crack to their communities.
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Even if Amazon paid no taxes in that measurement, it generates taxes by its activity and existance. These companies also often build infrastructure. The government isn't putting down fiber optics. You are trying to frame it like companies are harmful.
I think you should know your place, special person, and stop trying to leave your caste and value system. We're normal people, you're "special".
Since you seem to think people should know their place.
Also, the government is putting down fiber optics. Companies sure as shit ain't paying for it, why would they? They have no competition.
Same way the only reason rural idiots have electricity and water and sewage is because the government built all of that. It's simply not cost effective for a company to do it.
I was born here, so here is where people like me should be. That's like telling an English or French person to leave England or France to find their own people. I reject the idea of this being a multicultural society and think embracing multiculturalism is an emotional for turnpike supporting it and the destruction of the nation. Nation states weren't built on 'multiculturalism' This is way off topic, but I needed to reply. The dems aren't winning anything, anyway.
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What language are you speaking? It was founded by English people and was like, 80+% English/German most of its history.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Could we see a source for that claim.
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Racist and sexist is highly a highly accurate way to describe that. What dont you like about accuracy? It doesnt mesh with your narrative?
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Kryptos said: Yes, the stimulus package that was created entirely by the Senate GOP, and kept hidden from the House until the absolute last moment.
You can call it both sides, but I don't remember Zika, Ebola, or H1N1 being that bad. They were pretty bad overseas, sure, but not here. I also remember multiple government officials from only one party trying to hold up the stimulus bill because some people earned less than 600$ a month and they didn't want them getting a full 600$ payment. That would be the same party that is currently trying to kill Obamacare.
Also the party that decided to say "We don't need any government oversight, because I will be the oversight".
MAGA is ancient history the same way the swastika is ancient history. It's a permanent stain that won't ever wash away, and the only people that are desperate to forget it are the people that are stained.
There are no good republicans.
MAGA is ancient history because it was a big failure. Trump supporters didn't make any social or economic gains from his MAGA campaign. MAGA didn't have any impact on anything in US culture, it's done.
As far as the political theater coming from the D's and R's, I wouldn't take it very seriously considering BOTH parties are bought and owned by the same exact entities. They have to present opposing positions on key issues to create their illusions. There's no moral high ground in the game of political theater.
Is this the same Q? Your views seem drastically different since the last time we spoke.
Not really, I gave Trump 1 year to implement any of his campaign promises and after 4 years anyone who's even slightly intellectually honest can acknowledge he's a massive failure for his supporters.
Economic nationalism is a very consistent position to maintain in my opinion, I don't care if Trump or Bernie supports it. I only care if the leader actually does what they claim.
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Pelosi's toying with a guillotine at this point.
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Bernie Sanders is the nicest looking version of the archetype. It's like eliminating the electoral college and how that would destroy the union. The na Nation isn't going to accept a Jewish Socialist president. Except
Who do you think are pulling the levers on Wall Street?? The Banksters!!!
Yeah, the "free market capitalists" are the Banksters!! You know, the people that send tens of millions of good jobs out of the US for higher profit margins. The people that allow tens of millions of illegals into the US for cheap labor. The people that destroyed the middle class to benefit themselves in the name of "capitalism"!!
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I don’t think we need to worry about Mexicans anymore dude , the virus has already taken everyone’s job .
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"Pelosi's New Idea: Tax Cuts For The Wealthy??? WTF?"
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This is one of the main areas Qman and I differ.
We need food more than ever right now, and the Mexicans are doing a fantastic job of keeping the US food supply going.
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Bernie Sanders is the nicest looking version of the archetype. It's like eliminating the electoral college and how that would destroy the union. The na Nation isn't going to accept a Jewish Socialist president. Except
Who do you think are pulling the levers on Wall Street?? The Banksters!!!
Yeah, the "free market capitalists" are the Banksters!! You know, the people that send tens of millions of good jobs out of the US for higher profit margins. The people that allow tens of millions of illegals into the US for cheap labor. The people that destroyed the middle class to benefit themselves in the name of "capitalism"!!
That's only capitalism in the most literalnsense. I'm not an ideologue and think our policies as far as international trade should be for the national benefit.
I don't even like that we have Toyota factories here, for example, or that we have companies here that make products in Mexico.
The bankers are paper pushers and, no matter what ethnicity they are seem like they don't reciprocate value back into society.
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Psilynut2 said: I don’t think we need to worry about Mexicans anymore dude , the virus has already taken everyone’s job .
This is one of the main areas Qman and I differ.
We need food more than ever right now, and the Mexicans are doing a fantastic job of keeping the US food supply going.
The funny thing is all of these "free trade" and globalization advocates are now pissing in their pants when the realize the US imports all drugs and medical supplies from China. What they did think outsourcing did, just select non-important products for US citizens?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman]
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But on that I also agree with you.
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You have my respect for remaining consistent with your political views, in that case. You know I don't agree with them all, but it is better than people who support theie party, no matter what, solely for the sake of partisanship.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
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Pelosi's toying with a guillotine at this point.
That's her job.
As before when she delayed impeachment, she's holding the line. That's her job as party leader: she's the face, she takes the blows.
Coronavirus is a slam dunk political point for the current party in charge, and while diaper donnie has somehow repeatedly screwed up the softest of balls...
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...after playing with Putin's Steel, Moscow Mitch is no idiot. Pelosi realizes this. McConnell can kill any bill he wants because most Americans don't give a fuck and never hear about it. But killing a stimulus package with crumbs in it? That's gonna be front page news on the dems. So she sat down and ate the shit sandwich, and sent three additional bills that McConnell is now blocking.
As a result, the shit landed on her, not her party. Not only that, but she was able to reverse the message and force a few (minor) concessions out of the turtle. Pelosi has kept the initiative. That's ultimately the thing. She's held the initiative ever since impeachment began, and if she's as smart as I think it is, it's gonna be a fuckin' three act crescendo going into November. There will be blockbuster political dramas made about this at some point, heavily romanticized, of course.
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There's ideology and there's strategy. An ideologue is great. The one that stands up, the hero. True to their word, fights for their cause. Maybe even ends up on t-shirts, like Che. Or becomes divine, like Jesus. Either way, they die in their 30s, killed by some random ass nobody designed to make them seem like a common criminal, because the ideology is made more dangerous by the martyr. "Fools!" someone remarks. We could have used them!
Thing is, though...Che and Jesus were not pure ideologues. They knew when to vacate the area. They had some strategy as well...What is a pure ideologue? One unclouded by fear of death or pain, singleminded in purpose, unwilling to back down. They stare into the abyss not with fear, but with the knowledge that their cause is true and that they will conquer the void, even if they must leave the mortal coil so that their soul can do battle for eternity against the forces of darkness, while being rewarded past their wildest dreams.
14 year old suicide bombers get 72 virgins. 18 year old poor southern boys get a financed dodge charger and an M4. That's what a pure ideologue is. A living weapon, someone that you point at the enemy, and then get the fuck out before they go off. Just a chimp with a machine gun.
Ideology requires nothing but the sacrifice of the self. Strategy requires occasionally demanding a sacrifice from others. "Fools! We could have used them!"
EDIT: I don;t get it, I couldn't get the first video to embed in a link but the second video works fine? WTF?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
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I don't think people will support their party, no matter what, solely for the sake of partisanship. The Democratic party is more fucked up now than ever before. People don't like Joe Biden or the party. This is all about getting rid of Trump. Period. As far as I'm concerned, people who want to stay true to their beliefs can do whatever they want. Due to the corona crisis their votes will not be necessary to beat Trump. I have gone on the record here several times; I am not idealistic whatsoever,
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#26577297 - 04/04/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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There are a lot of people who do support their party no matter what. It depends on the individual, obviously, but there are plenty who will support the notion that the sky is red because their party said so.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
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They're voting against Trump, period. Most don't have really favorable views of the Democratic Party, but they are going to vote Democrat.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#26577905 - 04/04/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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There's certainly a large number of people doing that as well. But Biden isn't much better, and he will also lose to Trump in the general election.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
#26578055 - 04/04/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you would like to bet on Trump winning, PM me.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Brian Jones]
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Is Biden picking a woman VP a prank on women? Getting their first presidency like that would be embarrassing to women.
to overcome that, she would have to be some sort of... Bisexual...Indian woman...of color!?(those adjectives are her chosen descriptors in every show she has ever done)

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Brian Jones] 4
#26578405 - 04/04/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wouldn't bet on Trump winning, but I would bet on Biden not winning.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman]
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Q, Sanders supporters simply cannot convince establishment Democrats that he can carry Independents better than Biden. Now it's going to bite them in the ass.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius] 1
#26579220 - 04/05/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Q's right.
Trump will win re-election, with somewhere between 42-45% of the vote.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the GOP states cancel their elections (and claim its because of coronavirus) and simply send their electors to vote for Trump.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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I wouldn't be surprised either.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius] 1
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Establishment Dems KNOW Bernie can carry Independents better than Biden. But establishment Dems would prefer Trump to Bernie, as Trump isn't raising taxes on the super wealthy.
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Excellent point. Disgusting, isn't it?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
#26579899 - 04/05/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not really.
It's kind of hard to be disgusted by something that is the natural conclusion of the actions you take. At least, for those with a modicum of foresight.
Same reason I think that one guy that was hoarding hand sanitizer was right. The state was wrong to force him to give it back, I think he was well within his rights to do what he did.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos] 1
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Perhaps under the current system you are right. Is it time for another FDR style revolution in America yet?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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I wouldn't be surprised if some of the GOP states cancel their elections (and claim its because of coronavirus) and simply send their electors to vote for Trump.
I don't see how that would ever pass constitutional muster
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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I'm not a legal expert but what about the excuse of extenuating circumstances? Warrantless wiretapping is also unconstitutional -- that didn't stop the U.S. Government from collecting the meta-data of all U.S. citizens post-9/11. How is it any worse than gerrymandering?
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Shooting someone in the face is illegal - that didn't stop someone from inventing the game Monopoly.
That's about the same logic as yours.
Gerrymandering is constitutional. "Extenuating Circumstances" isn't an exception to the U.S. Constitutional requirement that guarantees a republican government.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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That's about the same logic as yours.
You lost me... I'm listening.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
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Meta data collection isn't in any way similar to wiretapping.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26580155 - 04/05/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Biden is most likely finished now, as in no contest, now that trump is adopting Bernie's health care plan.
Like Jimmy pointed out, "looks like the republicans listened to Bernie better than the democrats did."
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26580166 - 04/05/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Meta data collection isn't in any way similar to wiretapping.
I am certain the government also collects actual data of average citizens, although I cannot confirm this with factual evidence. I nonetheless feel as though the collection of meta data is an invasion of privacy. How do they use this information is the question, and to what end? If it's no biggy, why go after Snowden?
My point is the government does whatever it pleases; they violate the Constitution all the time. Maybe I used a bad example, but the premise I presented is not wrong.
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Privacy is not a right enumerated in the Constitution.
Also, what makes you think the government violates the constitution all of the time?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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I forgot, you're a lawyer, aren't you? I believe you, man. But it fucking sucks! Guess there's nothing we can do about it as citizens, yeah?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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Well, I'm having a difficult time discussing the topic of the election with you. I have a lot to learn, Enlil.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: Q's right.
Trump will win re-election, with somewhere between 42-45% of the vote.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the GOP states cancel their elections (and claim its because of coronavirus) and simply send their electors to vote for Trump.
So how wouldn't be surprised if something completely unprecedented that would destroy the party that does it, happened?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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I wouldn't be surprised if some of the GOP states cancel their elections (and claim its because of coronavirus) and simply send their electors to vote for Trump.
I don't see how that would ever pass constitutional muster
There is nothing in Article 2 that says the states need to have public elections. Simply that states have a certain number of electoral votes based on population. How those electoral votes are decided is entirely up to the state governments.
So if you've got a state with a GOP controlled legislature and governor, or at least a veto-proof majority in the legislature, I see no legal reason why they can't simply cancel elections and assign their electors to Dear Leader.
I believe that the states that meet the above criteria have a total of 219 votes. 51 short of re-election.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Trump will win re-election, with somewhere between 42-45% of the vote.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the GOP states cancel their elections (and claim its because of coronavirus) and simply send their electors to vote for Trump.
So how wouldn't be surprised if something completely unprecedented that would destroy the party that does it, happened?
Seems like a good prediction
The GOP has cancelled primaries where people decided to oppose Dear Leader.
Why wouldn't they do the same statewide?
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Article II? I don't see the relevance of that.
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Establishment Dems KNOW Bernie can carry Independents better than Biden. But establishment Dems would prefer Trump to Bernie, as Trump isn't raising taxes on the super wealthy.
If by establishment Dems you mean the folks running things yes that is true, however there are a lot of normal folks who are not running things, who are moderate Democrats who genuinely believe Biden is more likely to win. They don't prefer Trump, in fact many of them hate him passionately.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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Primaries dont mean much. Moving actual elections does. The nparties nhave their own primary process, and one is more fair than the other. Ask Bernie
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Article II is relevant because it provides the only guidance on the topic, in Article II, section 1, clause 2:
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Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
Which means that a state legislature can pass a law that says all electoral votes for this state must vote republican, and all electoral votes for the state vote republican. That's it. There's nothing stopping them from doing so, apart from the PR damage.
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You are 100% correct. Elections don't mean much when they can be cancelled. And the parties are well within their rights to cancel primaries, just like states are well within their rights to cancel elections.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
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R.I.P.Zappa said: Biden is most likely finished now, as in no contest, now that trump is adopting Bernie's health care plan.
Like Jimmy pointed out, "looks like the republicans listened to Bernie better than the democrats did."
Holy shit! Watch from 9:05 - 10:25 if you want to hear it from the Trump administration itself. 
Meanwhile, Democrats want to reopen the healthcare markets for people who just lost their jobs, their healthcare, and their source of income.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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Which means that a state legislature can pass a law that says all electoral votes for this state must vote republican, and all electoral votes for the state vote republican. That's it. There's nothing stopping them from doing so, apart from the PR damage.
And your only source for this outlandish theory is a cursory reading of a small part of the U.S. Constitution?
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Source for the notion that states can cancel federal elections?
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So, let's go over that in detail.
Family First act: They will reimburse your testing, not treatment, testing.
CARES act: They will give you $1200 (I think they skimmed over that bit to make it seem like a different bill), and then, as the democrats forced into the bill, they will also reimburse a portion of treatment for uninsured people. Which is already what happens when someone with no money walks into an ER: they're legally required to be treated, at taxpayer expense.
What's new? This is that same corporate stimulus bill, re-spun. As well as the thing where they announced they wouldn't cover treatment.
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You think an ER is legally required to treat anyone who walks in? That's not true. You think that people who can't afford an ER and are treated by one get reimbursed by the government? That's not true either.
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And your only source for this outlandish theory is a cursory reading of a small part of the U.S. Constitution?
I think I'm on the right side of Russel's teapot this time. Can you provide me an alternate reading, or relevant caselaw, which would disprove what I consider to be fairly simple language?
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Source for the notion that states can cancel federal elections?
I never said a state was cancelling a federal election. I was simply saying that states are free to assign the state electoral votes as the legislature sees fit, as long as the people who are casting those votes are not current political representatives of the states.
Individual states have no obligation to let their citizens vote.
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You think an ER is legally required to treat anyone who walks in? That's not true. You think that people who can't afford an ER and are treated by one get reimbursed by the government? That's not true either.
If they like medicare dollars, I believe they are subject to EMTALA
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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Family First act: They will reimburse your testing, not treatment, testing.
And also 14-day paid leave for American workers affected by the pandemic, and increased funding for food stamps.
Which is a shitload better than people got before.
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First of all, as Enlil already noted, taxpayers aren't on the hook for emergency room services (the patient actually is). And this also expands the eligibility for unemployment insurance and provides people with an additional $600 per week on top of the unemployment amount determined by each state. Gig workers and freelancers are covered by unemployment insurance for the first time.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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Individual states have no obligation to let their citizens vote.
I'm not sure if you're trolling, but states absolutely do have the obligation to let citizen's vote. For starters, the 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments create such an obligation. Statutory obligations also exist including the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
As far as whether a state legislature can choose the electors, sure...they can under federal law, but every state has specific rules about that, usually in the state constitutions.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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Family First act: They will reimburse your testing, not treatment, testing.
And also 14-day paid leave for American workers affected by the pandemic, and increased funding for food stamps.
Which is a shitload better than people got before.
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First of all, as Enlil already noted, taxpayers aren't on the hook for emergency room services (the patient actually is). And this also expands the eligibility for unemployment insurance and provides people with an additional $600 per week on top of the unemployment amount determined by each state. Gig workers and freelancers are covered by unemployment insurance for the first time.
So I take it you are now completely in favor of Pelosi's corporate bailout? Because this is literally the same exact bills.
An enlil has yet to explain how the taxpayer doesn't end up paying for a poor uninsured person that goes to the ER, receives legally mandated treatment, and cannot afford to pay. Blood from a stone.
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Individual states have no obligation to let their citizens vote.
I'm not sure if you're trolling, but states absolutely do have the obligation to let citizen's vote. For starters, the 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments create such an obligation. Statutory obligations also exist including the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
As far as whether a state legislature can choose the electors, sure...they can under federal law, but every state has specific rules about that, usually in the state constitutions.
I see nothing in the 15th, 19th, 24th, or 26th amendments, nor the VRA, that guarantees the right to vote for president. Simply that the right to vote cannot be based on, in order, race, gender, payment, age, or race again. Can you show me where any of those guarantees that state electors must be chosen by popular vote?
So...yeah, the state legislature needs to pass a law/amend the state constitution to assign electors to the republican candidate. Which can be done with either a republican state legislature/governor, or a supermajority in the state legislature. Which is an accurate political description of I wanna say 26 states, controlling a total electoral count of 219.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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No, why would you think that? I've already said many times I think it is a massive gift to corporations. I was very specifically talking about the Family First act provisions that you didn't mention, and the parts of the CARES act provisions that goes to Main St.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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No, why would you think that? I've already said many times I think it is a massive gift to corporations. I was very specifically talking about the Family First act provisions that you didn't mention, and the parts of the CARES act provisions that goes to Main St.
Because you're currently supporting it. Again, why do these already have the president's signature? BECAUSE THIS IS THE STIMULUS BILL.
The provisions that you support are the ones that were added in after Pelosi delayed the bill to force McConnell to add them. Used to be the bill was only a cash payment (for CARES), and only covered Coronavirus testing with zero leave (for FFRCA).
How Jimmy Dore made you think the republicans did any of this is beyond me. I never thought you'd be so thoroughly bamboozled.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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No, why would you think that? I've already said many times I think it is a massive gift to corporations. I was very specifically talking about the Family First act provisions that you didn't mention, and the parts of the CARES act provisions that goes to Main St.
Because you're currently supporting it.
No. I only support the parts I mentioned. I'll say it yet again, overall the bill is a massive giveaway to corporations.
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Let's be clear about what I said I support. I said "Democrats want to reopen the healthcare markets for people who just lost their jobs, their healthcare, and their source of income". Instead people got free testing, 14-days of paid leave, and reimbursement to hospitals for treating uninsured coronavirus patients (this was also 9:45-10:20 of the piece of the video I suggested to watch), a good deal for people who would have struggled to buy insurance.
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How Jimmy Dore made you think the republicans did any of this is beyond me. I never thought you'd be so thoroughly bamboozled.
The articles I read say it was Trump who pushed reimbursement to hospitals for treating uninsured coronavirus patients (see the WSJ link I just posted in the last sentence). Jimmy didn't talk about paid leave. I mentioned it because you didn't.
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How Jimmy Dore made you think the republicans did any of this is beyond me. I never thought you'd be so thoroughly bamboozled.
The articles I read say it was Trump who pushed reimbursement to hospitals for treating uninsured coronavirus patients (see the WSJ link I just posted in the last sentence). Jimmy didn't talk about paid leave. I mentioned it because you didn't.
This leads to a similar problem to the thing with poor people going to the ER on the taxpayer's dime I mentioned before.
The $100B dollars that was allocated to helping hospitals was allocated before treatment became free for the uninsured. Trump opened up treatment for uninsured people (after a few days of bipartisan backlash), but there was no additional funding allocated. Which means that while treatment for the uninsured is free, (yay), the money for their treatment is coming out of the money hospitals would have spent on supplies otherwise.
His solution wasn't "yeah, let's do this as well", it was "Hey, congratulations, your job duties have expanded! No raise."
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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The $100B was allocated to hospitals? If true, I see your point, but is it true?
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https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-policy-watch/a-look-at-the-100-billion-for-hospitals-in-the-cares-act/
I think this predates the announcement.
Basically, the hospitals got a bit of a slush fund, that should be distributed by Sec. HHS. Then the requirements to pay for testing were added to the slush fund.
Interestingly, it appears that the 500B bailout for main street will be audited rigorously by a specially formed team, to ensure that no money is wasted.
The other 1.4T does not appear to have any auditing requirements, with donnie famously saying "I'll be the audit for that".
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Yes yes, write him in... write him in..
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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You think an ER is legally required to treat anyone who walks in? That's not true. You think that people who can't afford an ER and are treated by one get reimbursed by the government? That's not true either.
The ER cant turn a patient away if uninsured. So patients with major problems dont bring ID and falsify their names to get the help they need. If a guy comes in bleeding, he sill get help. He wont pay a dime. Now if were talking cancer treatment then no, they wont be helped in the ER. The er cant fix that anyway.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 4
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You're wrong. Emergency rooms all across the country turn people away every day. And people who can't pay and are treated by an ER end up owing a lot of money, which harms those people because it ruins their credit.
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Meltdowner and his scenario might be wrong, but you still have yet to address mine:
ERs are legally required to stabilize you, and you cannot get blood from a stone, so the hypothetical homeless who has no credit or assets to speak of will get free treatment after a hobo fight.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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Okay, so they get "free" treatment after a hobo fight...what does this have to do with anything that congress has recently done?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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He has a point in that people can and do fill out the paperwork fraudulently in order to avoid the ER bill.
Having waited 9 hours with no insurance at a county hospital to be treated for multiple baseball bat strikes to the face and told I would have to wait another 9, I can sympathize with anyone who has been turned away from the ER or de facto turned away by crazy wait times like that
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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They can turn people away when they deem the patient unsuited for the ER, IE "i have the flu, help me." They would tell that person to get lost unless theyre falling over. Bums in nyc pretend theyre dying to get some painkiller and an IV. ER may be able to turn people away, but not for the reasons youre trying to push. Like the other poster said, they stabalize them and ditch the bill with fake info. Happens all the time near me, i have THREE close friends who are nurses at hospitals in queens. This is not bullshit, many people go to the ER without insurance and get help, and the taxpayers foot the bill. It is a problem.
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People break the law all of the time. That doesn't in any way support his argument that the latest round of legislation doesn't change anything.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 2
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There's an easy solution to that problem...it's called universal healthcare.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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I disagree. People should take care of themselves.
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Universal healthcare is people taking care of themselves...Unless you mean that we should have no specialization of labor and people should literally treat their own diseases.
Do you believe that people should build their own roads? Set up their own electricity generation? Build their own cars?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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Should? I think they should be allowed to if they want. Universal healthcare is an OK idea but the implementation which we would put in place would be corrupted. Who decides the costs? I dont see why people just dont buy insurance if theyre so worried about their health.
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Universal healthcare is not people taking care of themselves. Its hard working people taking care of the lazy. Its a fundamentally flawed idea imo.
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That's exactly what universal healthcare is: People buying insurance. Insurance is nothing more than the pooling of money from a lot of people to spread the risk across a wider population, thereby eliminating the wide statistical variation among individual members of the population. Universal healthcare is the ultimate expression of this process.
You're okay with people pooling their money to build roads and bridges, right?
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The hardest working motherfuckers I know can't afford insurance. The richest people I know are lazy fucks. I don't think your logic holds up at all.
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meltdowner said: Universal healthcare is not people taking care of themselves. Its hard working people taking care of the lazy. Its a fundamentally flawed idea imo.
Plenty of hard working people cant afford health insurance.Your logic is fundamentally flawed. With universal healthcare lots of hard working motherfuckers would get insurance.
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Big difference, its optional. You want it? Go pool your money together. Why do I have to pay for you? I dont want to.
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Not my problem. I work hard, i save, i was responsible. Now everyone wants free shit off the backs of the responsible. Pass.
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So leave those decisions up to 'for profit' health insurance companies? There's a reason that insured people pay so much for healthcare on top of their insurance premiums. We need to take the private insurance companies out of the equation. What value do they add other than telling me what they won't cover?
There a countless countries that do healthcare better than the United States without the private insurance nightmare.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: That's exactly what universal healthcare is: People buying insurance. Insurance is nothing more than the pooling of money from a lot of people to spread the risk across a wider population, thereby eliminating the wide statistical variation among individual members of the population. Universal healthcare is the ultimate expression of this process.
You're okay with people pooling their money to build roads and bridges, right?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 3
#26584700 - 04/07/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: Big difference, its optional. You want it? Go pool your money together. Why do I have to pay for you? I dont want to.
Boo fucking hoo. As a part of this society, you'll pay for social services including roads, schools, the very internet you're using now. Get used to it or move to a third world country where such things don't exist.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26584709 - 04/07/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not healthcare though, which is a clusterfuck of overpriced nonsense. Boo fucking who to you pal. Not voting for anyone who promises that nonsense.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26584712 - 04/07/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You are not forced to buy insurance.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 1
#26584719 - 04/07/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Look, your opinion means jack shit here. Like it or not, universal healthcare is inevitable in the U.S. It won't matter who you vote for. It's going to happen. You should start preparing yourself for that now.
Ask the people who have been here for awhile. I've been a very vocal critic of universal healthcare for a long time. Nonetheless, I have come to realize that it is going to happen, despite my opinion about it.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26584721 - 04/07/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 2
#26584729 - 04/07/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: Not healthcare though, which is a clusterfuck of overpriced nonsense. Boo fucking who to you pal. Not voting for anyone who promises that nonsense.
Everyone needs healthcare at some point. I'd take that over a LOT of the shit the Government pays for, like an oversized military.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 5
#26584730 - 04/07/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey, you realize you pick up the tax levy on land that churches own, right? You pay for the tax breaks billion dollar corporations recieve, you pay for children to be bombed. These are all things you pay for but dont seem bothered by. But actually helping people really sticks it in your craw?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26584737 - 04/07/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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False, sorry.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner]
#26584742 - 04/07/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't be sorry.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#26584744 - 04/07/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I realize this, but thats irrelevant to this topic imo. Healthcare is an overpriced scam system that creates more problems that it would solve.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner]
#26584751 - 04/07/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: Healthcare is an overpriced scam system that creates more problems that it would solve.
Then why not move to a cheaper system by eliminating the health insurance industry?
Do you have overpriced health insurance?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26584762 - 04/07/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I meant that the charges doctors and hospitals are charging insurance companies is overpriced. Their fees is why I can't get onboard with any of this.
Doctor's bill my insurance 5 grand for an xray. Get outa here! These fees should be free market, negotiable and completely forthcoming. Like ordering a hamburger from mcdonalds. You know the price before you buy, it's right there. If a doctor can't tell you how much something is up front, the whole system is broken and I want no part of it.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 3
#26584767 - 04/07/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thats the way the system is now...
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#26584774 - 04/07/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#26584798 - 04/07/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's the way insurance is now, which is optional to buy into. The insurance company negotiates the cost, hence you have in and out of patient services and different cost obligations based on which you use. One has agreed upon prices with the insurance company, the other may not.
We're discussing why healthcare, not to be confused with insurance, is a bad idea.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner]
#26584884 - 04/07/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Totally understand that. Im just going to have to disagree with the opinion that some form if healthcare should be extended to all US citizens, as it is completely affordable.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#26584938 - 04/07/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It already is available to all, you just have to buy it. Around and around we go.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 2
#26584953 - 04/07/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Insurance is available to all who can afford it. Im saying that the country (as a whole) can afford health care for everyone. You made the distinction, but youre blurring the lines of your own distinction to further your narrative.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 1
#26584994 - 04/07/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: You are not forced to buy insurance.
So, what's to stop me from pretending to be a homeless bum without insurance and leaving fake info? Who cares if I make six figures. Taxpayer's got it covered.
Same thing as universal insurance, except ERs are the most expensive places in the world. We're talking about 10k/hour type expensive. I could visit a doctor with universal insurance, and cost the taxpayer a couple hundred, or I can just go to the ER, leave fake contact info, and cost the taxpayer a cool mil.
Fuck it, Not my problem. Am I right?
Actually, you're 100% correct. I don't have insurance at this moment. My plan for when I get sick is literally to go to the ER, leave fake info, and declare bankruptcy if needed. I can transfer my assets to my sister for safekeeping pretty easily. Especially since they aren't all directly in my name.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#26584995 - 04/07/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree we can afford it, we could do it, I just disagree with the concept entirely. For reasons I mentioned in previous posts. None of what you just said is up for debate here. I'm not blurring anything.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner]
#26585087 - 04/07/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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So you don't want to save $2 trillion (according to the Koch Brothers)?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
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He doesn't care, it's taxpayer money.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
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Is your name Meltdowner? Let people answer for themselves, you interjecting your nonsense is rude and insulting.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26586849 - 04/08/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I doubt that number.
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meltdowner said: Is your name Meltdowner? Let people answer for themselves, you interjecting your nonsense is rude and insulting.
Lol, that's your problem, not mine.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: So you don't want to save $2 trillion (according to the Koch Brothers)?
I doubt that number.
I do too. It's from a Koch Brothers study which I'm sure grossly underestimated savings.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: You're wrong. Emergency rooms all across the country turn people away every day. And people who can't pay and are treated by an ER end up owing a lot of money, which harms those people because it ruins their credit.
My guess is it depends on the hospital. Then there is the EMTLA Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act of 1986 which forbids the denial of care based on ability to pay. I don't think it's that cut and dried because sometimes people are turned away. However, the EMTLA must have some teeth because conservatives have tried to overturn it recently. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/diane-black-emergency-rooms_n_59e674cce4b0d0e4fe6bd0ee
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Brian Jones]
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That only applies to "Emergency Medical Conditions." That is defined as "a medical condition manifesting to itself by acute symptoms of sufficient severity (including severe pain) such that the absence of immediate medical attention could reasonably be expected to result in -- (i) placing the health of the individual in serious jeopardy, (ii) serious impairment to bodily functions, or (iii) serious dysfunction of any bodily organ or part."
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