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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman]
#26569600 - 03/31/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Yes, the stimulus package that was created entirely by the Senate GOP, and kept hidden from the House until the absolute last moment.
You can call it both sides, but I don't remember Zika, Ebola, or H1N1 being that bad. They were pretty bad overseas, sure, but not here. I also remember multiple government officials from only one party trying to hold up the stimulus bill because some people earned less than 600$ a month and they didn't want them getting a full 600$ payment. That would be the same party that is currently trying to kill Obamacare.
Also the party that decided to say "We don't need any government oversight, because I will be the oversight".
MAGA is ancient history the same way the swastika is ancient history. It's a permanent stain that won't ever wash away, and the only people that are desperate to forget it are the people that are stained.
There are no good republicans.
MAGA is ancient history because it was a big failure. Trump supporters didn't make any social or economic gains from his MAGA campaign. MAGA didn't have any impact on anything in US culture, it's done.
As far as the political theater coming from the D's and R's, I wouldn't take it very seriously considering BOTH parties are bought and owned by the same exact entities. They have to present opposing positions on key issues to create their illusions. There's no moral high ground in the game of political theater.
Is this the same Q? Your views seem drastically different since the last time we spoke.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
#26569827 - 03/31/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Revolutions always end up so well in history.
The parties are very different. A democratic president would continue allowing in illegals so more people would vote for them. The republicans were corrupted surfing the Bush years because leftie authoritarians (neoliberals) invaded and used the party.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#26569841 - 03/31/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Revolutions always end up so well in history.
The parties are very different. A democratic president would continue allowing in illegals so more people would vote for them. The republicans were corrupted surfing the Bush years because leftie authoritarians (neoliberals) invaded and used the party.
The country is founded on free immigration, if you don't want to live in a nation of immigrants there are plenty of other places to go.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#26569868 - 03/31/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Revolutions always end up so well in history.
I know you're being flip, but as I recall it was a revolution that allowed for the colonies to gain their independence from the British. Also, not all revolutions are violent -- there's such a thing as social revolution that can shape policy. Think Civil Rights Act on a much grander scale.
Is my understanding of history wrong?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
#26569887 - 03/31/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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We were not founded in free immigration That's one of the most historically ignorant things I hear from people.
We were founded by English people trying to make a profit. We had laws about allowing people of good standing to immigrate.
I was born here. why don't immigrants to back to the trash they came from? Wait, they want to make our government like the ones they escaped. I forgot.Quote:
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specialpeopleclub said: Revolutions always end up so well in history.
I know you're being flip, but as I recall it was a revolution that allowed for the colonies to gain their independence from the British. Also, not all revolutions are violent -- there's such a thing as social revolution that can shape policy. Think Civil Rights Act on a much grander scale.
Is my understanding of history wrong?
The American Revolution was won because we had allies and the King was mentally and ill from inbreeding.I We were fortunate to have a good foundation.
The English had a civil war also, but it was relatively lacking in blood. England came out well, and France didn't recover.
The exception isn't the rule, and people often confuse them.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#26569909 - 03/31/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It seems to me you have a narrow understanding of what the word revolution could mean. It can mean a lot of things depending on the context. You seem rather fixated on violent revolution. 
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
#26569924 - 03/31/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are we really using the word the same? I'm talking about war and something accute, not something like a hundred years technological change.
Bernie ideas are the kind that get people ready to do bad things, unless he gets in there and it is like having Larry David as president
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub] 3
#26569952 - 03/31/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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When did Bernie ever speak of violent revolution? Are you sure we're talking about the same Bernie Sanders? I'm talking about the Bernie Sanders that wants to pass legislation that would make for a more equitable society. Are you averse to egalitarianism? Does it frighten you?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
#26569961 - 03/31/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am adverse to egalitarianism. It's the antithesis of what this nation was founded in and what made it the wealthiest nation in history many times over.
His policies would cause people to do bad things. He threatens everything the nation was built on.
Why do Jews hate personal liberty so much? Bunch of sheisty communists with their ethnic-state
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub] 3
#26569973 - 03/31/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here we go blaming Jewish people. I'm done, dude.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
#26569992 - 03/31/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I didn't blame Jews for anything except perpetuating illiberal ideas, and literally having an ethnic state. almost every prominent Jew here encourages open borders, are against free speech. It shouldn't even be controversial for anyone that's grown up watching U.S. media.
Bernie Sanders is the nicest looking version of the archetype. It's like eliminating the electoral college and how that would destroy the union. The na Nation isn't going to accept a Jewish Socialist president. Except

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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#26570089 - 03/31/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Babylon said: The country is founded on free immigration
That's one of the most historically ignorant things I hear from people.
...why don't immigrants to back to the trash they came from? Wait, they want to make our government like the ones they escaped. I forgot.
"They WANT to make our government like the ones they ESCAPED"?!?
Now THAT is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub] 4
#26570091 - 03/31/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Bernie ideas are the kind that get people ready to do bad things, unless he gets in there and it is like having Larry David as president
Taxing the rich at a percentage that is at least as high as the rest of pay in taxes in "bad things"?
Now THAT is the second most ignorant thing I've ever heard.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26570125 - 03/31/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The rich already pay most of the taxes. Poor people in the left are so retarded with money they assume the rich throwing their money in the trash that is the government is a more efficient use of resources. From the rhetoric I've been exposed to, it's all an attempt to punish the rich more than using capital well
The government we have and the modern free market evolved our of English culture. English people vote toward Milton Friedman and immigrants vote more then 2:1 for socialist policies.
The thing pharmacies such an attractive place, our acceptance, allows others to come in and attempt to dictate the culture. That's why people from California are leaving and ruining Texas by voting like californians.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26570311 - 04/01/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: We were not founded in free immigration That's one of the most historically ignorant things I hear from people.
We were founded by English people trying to make a profit. We had laws about allowing people of good standing to immigrate.
I was born here. why don't immigrants to back to the trash they came from? Wait, they want to make our government like the ones they escaped. I forgot..
Could you perhaps name those laws you mention? I don't believe any laws regulating immigration existed prior to world war 2, other than one limiting the amount of folks allowed from China, and that wasn't until the Western Expansion.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Babylon]
#26570841 - 04/01/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Naturalization Act of 1790.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
#26570844 - 04/01/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Asclepius said: Too often I have voted for what I felt was the lesser of two evils during elections; I'm not doing that this time around. To hell with both political parties! If Sanders doesn't win the nomination, I'll just stay home and watch Trump win re-election, not that I like him either. But at the end of the day, I think the biggest difference between Trump and Biden is their presentation and minor policy differences. I don't believe for a moment that anything in this country would fundamentally change even if Biden were to win the general -- and trust me, he won't!
Thats the type of post a political troll for the republicans would write.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26570852 - 04/01/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: The Naturalization Act of 1790.
"Being a free white person"
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#26571424 - 04/01/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: The rich already pay most of the taxes.
False. As of 2018, the rich officially pay less taxes than the bottom 90%.
As I explained a while back, I paid more taxes at my high school job ages 16-18 than Amazon, the multibillion dollar company, ever has.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asante] 1
#26571508 - 04/01/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Asclepius said: Too often I have voted for what I felt was the lesser of two evils during elections; I'm not doing that this time around. To hell with both political parties! If Sanders doesn't win the nomination, I'll just stay home and watch Trump win re-election, not that I like him either. But at the end of the day, I think the biggest difference between Trump and Biden is their presentation and minor policy differences. I don't believe for a moment that anything in this country would fundamentally change even if Biden were to win the general -- and trust me, he won't!
Thats the type of post a political troll for the republicans would write.
Nope. That's the type of post a non-corporate, Democratic socialist would write.I
Edit: I have donated several hundred dollars to Bernie's campaign. Maybe that makes me anti-Democrat.
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