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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7824489 - 01/02/08 05:31 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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I believe they are representative of the group they poll, but my point was that I find a media officially endorsing a candidate unethical.




Wait. What happened to all these freedoms you supposedly support? That newspaper is a private entity and can do whatever the fuck it want in endorsing a candidate.


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7824502 - 01/02/08 05:35 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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1) Edwards. If the polling of likely voters is accurate then he will really only finish third. I think he has some momentum however. He is also the only candidate Republicans actually fear so maybe voters will figure that out in the voting booth.





The only candidates Republicans fear are their own. It should be very difficult to blow it against this bunch of mutts.




They're probably right to be afraid of their own. A big city liberal Republican with no foreign policy experience, a Mormon with no foreign policy experience, an actor on a pretty interesting show, a raving lunatic Christian with no foreign policy experience, and a man whose face looks like it's been through 15 strokes (though he does have foreign policy experience).

I'm amazed McCain isn't doing better. He's really the only one out of that bunch who is suitable for the job.


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7824895 - 01/02/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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The only candidates Republicans fear are their own. It should be very difficult to blow it against this bunch of mutts.





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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Redstorm]
    #7824970 - 01/02/08 07:23 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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They're probably right to be afraid of their own.  an actor on a pretty interesting show

I'm amazed McCain isn't doing better. He's really the only one out of that bunch who is suitable for the job.





the "Actor" :rolleyes: Fred Thompson was a lawyer, lobbyist, actor,  and He represented Tennessee as a Republican in the U.S. Senate from 1994 through 2002  He was the Senate chairman of the Committee on Governmental Affairs, and  served on the Finance Committee,  the Intelligence Committee, and the National Security Working Group.


Until July 2007, Thompson was Chair of the International Security Advisory Board, a bipartisan advisory panel that reports to the Secretary of State and focuses on emerging strategic threats. In that capacity, he advised the State Department about all aspects of arms control, disarmament, international security, and related aspects of public diplomacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Dalton_Thompson


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Redstorm]
    #7824979 - 01/02/08 07:25 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

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I'm amazed McCain isn't doing better. He's really the only one out of that bunch who is suitable for the job.




It seems to me that people have been giving him a second look lately. His numbers have been going up as voters are discontent with this crop of mostly pitiful candidates.


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zorbman]
    #7825036 - 01/02/08 07:40 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

My parents love him.... IMO the crazy lunatic who sucks the liberal medias dick should not even be running as a republican....


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: discombobulate]
    #7825321 - 01/02/08 08:44 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

Rep:

McCain
Paul
Romney
Huck
Giuliani
Thompson

Dem:

Obama
Clinton
Edwards
Biden
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: afoaf]
    #7825523 - 01/02/08 09:29 PM (16 years, 30 days ago)

I agree with these, just because it would stir up some serious shit.


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7826314 - 01/03/08 02:19 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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You do realize that the the DMR is famous in political circles for their editorial endorsement of a candidate on the eve of the election?

They've ALWAYS done it.

Don't get mad because they didn't pick your favorite candidate.

Everyone who disagrees with you is not wrong.




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Wait. What happened to all these freedoms you supposedly support? That newspaper is a private entity and can do whatever the fuck it want in endorsing a candidate.




It isn't about who they pick; I happen to think that a media source "endorsing" a candidate is unethical. I didn't say it violated any private rights, I didn't say it had anything to do with which candidate they did pick, I clearly stated that I feel that a major media outlet officially endorsing a candidate is unethical, clearly compounded if they are "famous" for it, directly evidenced by the subsequent rise that the candidate receives from the endorsement.

I have little regard for how status-quo the act is. Coverage is one thing, endorsement another. It isn't a question of rights, it is a question of ethics. I recognize an ethical distinction between covering the news and making the news. I apologize if ya'll are the type that appreciates the undue role the media will choose to play in choosing the candidate for others. :sorry: :rolleyes:

Of course, with reading comprehension skills like this, perhaps it is best that ya'll don't make your own decisions regarding candidates... :imslow: :shrug:


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Redstorm]
    #7826335 - 01/03/08 02:36 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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I'm amazed McCain isn't doing better. He's really the only one out of that bunch who is suitable for the job.




Any president who would defend our current foreign policy and seek to expand it is clearly not suitable for the job. Foreign policy is one of the greatest responsibilities of the president, and to fuck that up so seriously as he and most candidates would continue to do is unforgiveable. Any presidental candidate touting the need for fiscal discipline while similarily seeking to continue our current foreign policy is a liar.

John McCain is probably leaps and bounds ahead of most Republican candidates on most issues, and he is pretty sensible on a lot of things, but foreign policy and the economy are two of the most crucial issues of the day, and his continuance of our failed foreign policy, in itself a tragedy, will also threaten the well-being of our already fragile economic situation.

I think John McCain would make a great vice-presidental candidate for Ron Paul, if he could realize why the greatest thing for our troops and our national security is to bring them home and enforce that border, as he suspossedly wants to do. :wink:


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7826425 - 01/03/08 03:47 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)



"Too Close To Call" :naughty:


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7826471 - 01/03/08 05:20 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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Of course, with reading comprehension skills like this, perhaps it is best that ya'll don't make your own decisions regarding candidates... :imslow: :shrug:




Is it really necessary to be a pretentious asshole 100% of the time?


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Redstorm]
    #7826483 - 01/03/08 05:43 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

You'll have to ask zappa on that one. :smirk:

Seriously though, no, not all of the time, but sometimes, although it probably isn't adviceable in the first place. Sometimes people tend to get heated in debate, especially if huge misconceptions of what one is saying are put forth. :wink:


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7826925 - 01/03/08 10:14 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

:blah:


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: afoaf]
    #7826956 - 01/03/08 10:29 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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afoaf said:

Rep:


McCain
Paul
Romney
Huck
Giuliani
Thompson






:rolleyes::smirk:


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7827150 - 01/03/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7827185 - 01/03/08 12:11 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Do you all believe this overnight surge of McCain being the new national front runner in the polls?

Seems a little set up. Nothing really explains where it came from overnight.

I'm not even going to bother guesstimating the outcome because of all the crap I heard about foul play there in 2004. On top of that I'm hearing more on dirty tricks being played like Romney people posing as Huckabee people, calling Huck supporters asking them to come out and vote...to the WRONG precinct address. Another off the top of my head was that in the last one, the room counts didn't match the vote counts. The vote counts were higher then those in the room eligible to vote. Nothing was ever done about it though.

Is Thompson not in Iowa? I have seen ZERO on him during the caucus coverage. Is he flaking out, dropping out or just now dead to the media or what?

Paul isn't getting the sort of coverage Huck and Mitt are, though he is getting positive bits and blurbs here and there. I like that they are mentioning his near $20 million dollar haul for Q4 and that, the younger voters, new voters and independents may turn up for him today and not to rule him out of the top 3. Lots of coverage in the last week of acknowledging that in Paul's case, the polls may be very inaccurate. They are saying the same for Obama too.


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7827331 - 01/03/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

> Paul isn't getting the sort of coverage Huck and Mitt are, though he is getting positive bits and blurbs here and there.

I suspect this is the medias way of creating an "out" should Paul do well: "See, we told you he might do much better than expected."


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7827333 - 01/03/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

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You'll have to ask zappa on that one. :smirk:




Just because I am overwhelmingly brilliant doesn't mean I'm pretentious.
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Seriously though, no, not all of the time, but sometimes, although it probably isn't adviceable in the first place. Sometimes people tend to get heated in debate, especially if huge misconceptions of what one is saying are put forth. :wink:




What you have NOT contributed to the Ron Paul issue is debate.  All you do is prattle on about how he is going to win.  Soon you will be proven to be as irrelevant and out of touch as he is.  Oh yeah, I forgot, Ron Paul touches little children inappropriately.  That is about as substantive and serious as your blather about his chances.


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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7827332 - 01/03/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

the MSM hates Ron Paul and Fred Thompson.

Huck was the medias favorite (because they know he's an idiot and will not beat the Dem candidate).

now that hucks imploding the MSM is jumping on the McCain bandwagon....(because they know he's a nut case and will not beat the Dem candidate)



Maybe when Fred places at least 3rd tonight in Iowa and Ron places at least 3rd in New Hampshire the MSM will start notice them......


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