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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
#26584493 - 04/07/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Okay, so they get "free" treatment after a hobo fight...what does this have to do with anything that congress has recently done?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26584537 - 04/07/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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He has a point in that people can and do fill out the paperwork fraudulently in order to avoid the ER bill.
Having waited 9 hours with no insurance at a county hospital to be treated for multiple baseball bat strikes to the face and told I would have to wait another 9, I can sympathize with anyone who has been turned away from the ER or de facto turned away by crazy wait times like that
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26584601 - 04/07/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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They can turn people away when they deem the patient unsuited for the ER, IE "i have the flu, help me." They would tell that person to get lost unless theyre falling over. Bums in nyc pretend theyre dying to get some painkiller and an IV. ER may be able to turn people away, but not for the reasons youre trying to push. Like the other poster said, they stabalize them and ditch the bill with fake info. Happens all the time near me, i have THREE close friends who are nurses at hospitals in queens. This is not bullshit, many people go to the ER without insurance and get help, and the taxpayers foot the bill. It is a problem.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26584611 - 04/07/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: He has a point in that people can and do fill out the paperwork fraudulently in order to avoid the ER bill.
People break the law all of the time. That doesn't in any way support his argument that the latest round of legislation doesn't change anything.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 2
#26584620 - 04/07/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: This is not bullshit, many people go to the ER without insurance and get help, and the taxpayers foot the bill. It is a problem.
There's an easy solution to that problem...it's called universal healthcare.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26584622 - 04/07/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I disagree. People should take care of themselves.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 4
#26584627 - 04/07/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Universal healthcare is people taking care of themselves...Unless you mean that we should have no specialization of labor and people should literally treat their own diseases.
Do you believe that people should build their own roads? Set up their own electricity generation? Build their own cars?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil] 1
#26584649 - 04/07/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26584656 - 04/07/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Should? I think they should be allowed to if they want. Universal healthcare is an OK idea but the implementation which we would put in place would be corrupted. Who decides the costs? I dont see why people just dont buy insurance if theyre so worried about their health.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26584659 - 04/07/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Universal healthcare is not people taking care of themselves. Its hard working people taking care of the lazy. Its a fundamentally flawed idea imo.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 2
#26584668 - 04/07/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's exactly what universal healthcare is: People buying insurance. Insurance is nothing more than the pooling of money from a lot of people to spread the risk across a wider population, thereby eliminating the wide statistical variation among individual members of the population. Universal healthcare is the ultimate expression of this process.
You're okay with people pooling their money to build roads and bridges, right?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 2
#26584672 - 04/07/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: Universal healthcare is not people taking care of themselves. Its hard working people taking care of the lazy. Its a fundamentally flawed idea imo.
The hardest working motherfuckers I know can't afford insurance. The richest people I know are lazy fucks. I don't think your logic holds up at all.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 3
#26584685 - 04/07/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: Universal healthcare is not people taking care of themselves. Its hard working people taking care of the lazy. Its a fundamentally flawed idea imo.
Plenty of hard working people cant afford health insurance.Your logic is fundamentally flawed. With universal healthcare lots of hard working motherfuckers would get insurance.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26584688 - 04/07/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Big difference, its optional. You want it? Go pool your money together. Why do I have to pay for you? I dont want to.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#26584691 - 04/07/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not my problem. I work hard, i save, i was responsible. Now everyone wants free shit off the backs of the responsible. Pass.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner]
#26584692 - 04/07/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: Universal healthcare is an OK idea but the implementation which we would put in place would be corrupted. Who decides the costs? I dont see why people just dont buy insurance if theyre so worried about their health.
So leave those decisions up to 'for profit' health insurance companies? There's a reason that insured people pay so much for healthcare on top of their insurance premiums. We need to take the private insurance companies out of the equation. What value do they add other than telling me what they won't cover?
There a countless countries that do healthcare better than the United States without the private insurance nightmare.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26584697 - 04/07/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: That's exactly what universal healthcare is: People buying insurance. Insurance is nothing more than the pooling of money from a lot of people to spread the risk across a wider population, thereby eliminating the wide statistical variation among individual members of the population. Universal healthcare is the ultimate expression of this process.
You're okay with people pooling their money to build roads and bridges, right?
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] 3
#26584700 - 04/07/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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meltdowner said: Big difference, its optional. You want it? Go pool your money together. Why do I have to pay for you? I dont want to.
Boo fucking hoo. As a part of this society, you'll pay for social services including roads, schools, the very internet you're using now. Get used to it or move to a third world country where such things don't exist.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
#26584709 - 04/07/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not healthcare though, which is a clusterfuck of overpriced nonsense. Boo fucking who to you pal. Not voting for anyone who promises that nonsense.
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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26584712 - 04/07/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You are not forced to buy insurance.
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