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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26584719 - 04/07/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Look, your opinion means jack shit here.  Like it or not, universal healthcare is inevitable in the U.S.  It won't matter who you vote for.  It's going to happen.  You should start preparing yourself for that now.

Ask the people who have been here for awhile.  I've been a very vocal critic of universal healthcare for a long time.  Nonetheless, I have come to realize that it is going to happen, despite my opinion about it.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Enlil]
    #26584721 - 04/07/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Lol


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] * 2
    #26584729 - 04/07/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Not healthcare though, which is a clusterfuck of overpriced nonsense.  Boo fucking who to you pal.  Not voting for anyone who promises that nonsense.



Everyone needs healthcare at some point.  I'd take that over a LOT of the shit the Government pays for, like an oversized military.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] * 5
    #26584730 - 04/07/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey, you realize you pick up the tax levy on land that churches own, right? You pay for the tax breaks billion dollar corporations recieve, you pay for children to be bombed. These are all things you pay for but dont seem bothered by. But actually helping people really sticks it in your craw?


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26584737 - 04/07/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

False, sorry.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner]
    #26584742 - 04/07/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Don't be sorry.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26584744 - 04/07/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I realize this, but thats irrelevant to this topic imo.  Healthcare is an overpriced scam system that creates more problems that it would solve.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner]
    #26584751 - 04/07/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Healthcare is an overpriced scam system that creates more problems that it would solve.



Then why not move to a cheaper system by eliminating the health insurance industry?

Do you have overpriced health insurance?


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26584762 - 04/07/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I meant that the charges doctors and hospitals are charging insurance companies is overpriced.  Their fees is why I can't get onboard with any of this.

Doctor's bill my insurance 5 grand for an xray.  Get outa here!  These fees should be free market, negotiable and completely forthcoming.  Like ordering a hamburger from mcdonalds.  You know the price before you buy, it's right there.  If a doctor can't tell you how much something is up front, the whole system is broken and I want no part of it.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] * 3
    #26584767 - 04/07/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thats the way the system is now...


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26584774 - 04/07/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:cookiemonster:


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26584798 - 04/07/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That's the way insurance is now, which is optional to buy into.  The insurance company negotiates the cost, hence you have in and out of patient services and different cost obligations based on which you use.  One has agreed upon prices with the insurance company, the other may not.

We're discussing why healthcare, not to be confused with insurance, is a bad idea.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner]
    #26584884 - 04/07/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Totally understand that. Im just going to have to disagree with the opinion that some form if healthcare should be extended to all US citizens, as it is completely affordable.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26584938 - 04/07/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It already is available to all, you just have to buy it.  Around and around we go.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] * 2
    #26584953 - 04/07/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Insurance is available to all who can afford it. Im saying that the country (as a whole) can afford health care for everyone. You made the distinction, but youre blurring the lines of your own distinction to further your narrative.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26584994 - 04/07/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You are not forced to buy insurance.




So, what's to stop me from pretending to be a homeless bum without insurance and leaving fake info? Who cares if I make six figures. Taxpayer's got it covered.

Same thing as universal insurance, except ERs are the most expensive places in the world. We're talking about 10k/hour type expensive. I could visit a doctor with universal insurance, and cost the taxpayer a couple hundred, or I can just go to the ER, leave fake contact info, and cost the taxpayer a cool mil.

Fuck it, Not my problem. Am I right?

Actually, you're 100% correct. I don't have insurance at this moment. My plan for when I get sick is literally to go to the ER, leave fake info, and declare bankruptcy if needed. I can transfer my assets to my sister for safekeeping pretty easily. Especially since they aren't all directly in my name.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #26584995 - 04/07/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I agree we can afford it, we could do it, I just disagree with the concept entirely.  For reasons I mentioned in previous posts.  None of what you just said is up for debate here.  I'm not blurring anything.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: meltdowner]
    #26585087 - 04/07/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So you don't want to save $2 trillion (according to the Koch Brothers)?


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26585121 - 04/07/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

He doesn't care, it's taxpayer money.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Kryptos]
    #26586846 - 04/08/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Is your name Meltdowner?  Let people answer for themselves, you interjecting your nonsense is rude and insulting.


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