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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman]
    #26573440 - 04/02/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Pelosi's toying with a guillotine at this point.  :cutoff:


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #26573443 - 04/02/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I didn't blame Jews for anything except perpetuating illiberal ideas, and literally having an ethnic state.
almost every prominent Jew here encourages open borders, are against free speech.
It shouldn't even be controversial for anyone that's grown up watching U.S. media.

Bernie Sanders is the nicest looking version of the archetype.
It's like eliminating the electoral college and how that would destroy the union.
The na
Nation isn't going to accept a Jewish Socialist president.
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Who do you think are pulling the levers on Wall Street??  The Banksters!!! 

Yeah, the "free market capitalists" are the Banksters!! You know, the people that send tens of millions of good jobs out of the US for higher profit margins. The people that allow tens of millions of illegals into the US for cheap labor. The people that destroyed the middle class to benefit themselves in the name of "capitalism"!!


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman] * 3
    #26573460 - 04/02/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don’t think we need to worry about Mexicans anymore dude ,  the virus has already taken everyone’s job .


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26573481 - 04/02/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

"Pelosi's New Idea: Tax Cuts For The Wealthy??? WTF?"



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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Psilynut2] * 3
    #26573482 - 04/02/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don’t think we need to worry about Mexicans anymore dude ,  the virus has already taken everyone’s job .



This is one of the main areas Qman and I differ.

We need food more than ever right now, and the Mexicans are doing a fantastic job of keeping the US food supply going.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman]
    #26573533 - 04/02/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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specialpeopleclub said:
I didn't blame Jews for anything except perpetuating illiberal ideas, and literally having an ethnic state.
almost every prominent Jew here encourages open borders, are against free speech.
It shouldn't even be controversial for anyone that's grown up watching U.S. media.

Bernie Sanders is the nicest looking version of the archetype.
It's like eliminating the electoral college and how that would destroy the union.
The na
Nation isn't going to accept a Jewish Socialist president.
Except






Who do you think are pulling the levers on Wall Street??  The Banksters!!! 

Yeah, the "free market capitalists" are the Banksters!! You know, the people that send tens of millions of good jobs out of the US for higher profit margins. The people that allow tens of millions of illegals into the US for cheap labor. The people that destroyed the middle class to benefit themselves in the name of "capitalism"!!



That's only capitalism in the most literalnsense. I'm not an ideologue and think our policies as far as international trade should be for the national benefit.

I don't even like that we have Toyota factories here, for example, or that we have companies here that make products in Mexico.

The bankers are paper pushers and, no matter what ethnicity they are seem like they don't reciprocate value back into society.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26573663 - 04/02/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don’t think we need to worry about Mexicans anymore dude ,  the virus has already taken everyone’s job .



This is one of the main areas Qman and I differ.

We need food more than ever right now, and the Mexicans are doing a fantastic job of keeping the US food supply going.




The funny thing is all of these "free trade" and globalization advocates are now pissing in their pants when the realize the US imports all drugs and medical supplies from China. What they did think outsourcing did, just select non-important products for US citizens?  :facepalm:


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman]
    #26573697 - 04/02/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

But on that I also agree with you.  :thumbup:


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman] * 1
    #26573789 - 04/02/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You have my respect for remaining consistent with your political views, in that case.  You know I don't agree with them all, but it is better than people who support theie party, no matter what, solely for the sake of partisanship.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
    #26573937 - 04/02/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
:whathesaid:

Pelosi's toying with a guillotine at this point.  :cutoff:




That's her job.

As before when she delayed impeachment, she's holding the line. That's her job as party leader: she's the face, she takes the blows.

Coronavirus is a slam dunk political point for the current party in charge, and while diaper donnie has somehow repeatedly screwed up the softest of balls...

t=85

...after playing with Putin's Steel, Moscow Mitch is no idiot. Pelosi realizes this. McConnell can kill any bill he wants because most Americans don't give a fuck and never hear about it. But killing a stimulus package with crumbs in it? That's gonna be front page news on the dems. So she sat down and ate the shit sandwich, and sent three additional bills that McConnell is now blocking.

As a result, the shit landed on her, not her party. Not only that, but she was able to reverse the message and force a few (minor) concessions out of the turtle. Pelosi has kept the initiative. That's ultimately the thing. She's held the initiative ever since impeachment began, and if she's as smart as I think it is, it's gonna be a fuckin' three act crescendo going into November. There will be blockbuster political dramas made about this at some point, heavily romanticized, of course.

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You have my respect for remaining consistent with your political views, in that case.  You know I don't agree with them all, but it is better than people who support theie party, no matter what, solely for the sake of partisanship.




There's ideology and there's strategy. An ideologue is great. The one that stands up, the hero. True to their word, fights for their cause. Maybe even ends up on t-shirts, like Che. Or becomes divine, like Jesus. Either way, they die in their 30s, killed by some random ass nobody designed to make them seem like a common criminal, because the ideology is made more dangerous by the martyr. "Fools!" someone remarks. We could have used them!

Thing is, though...Che and Jesus were not pure ideologues. They knew when to vacate the area. They had some strategy as well...What is a pure ideologue? One unclouded by fear of death or pain, singleminded in purpose, unwilling to back down. They stare into the abyss not with fear, but with the knowledge that their cause is true and that they will conquer the void, even if they must leave the mortal coil so that their soul can do battle for eternity against the forces of darkness, while being rewarded past their wildest dreams.

14 year old suicide bombers get 72 virgins. 18 year old poor southern boys get a financed dodge charger and an M4. That's what a pure ideologue is. A living weapon, someone that you point at the enemy, and then get the fuck out before they go off. Just a chimp with a machine gun.

Ideology requires nothing but the sacrifice of the self. Strategy requires occasionally demanding a sacrifice from others. "Fools! We could have used them!"

EDIT: I don;t get it, I couldn't get the first video to embed in a link but the second video works fine? WTF?


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
    #26573996 - 04/02/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You have my respect for remaining consistent with your political views, in that case.  You know I don't agree with them all, but it is better than people who support theie party, no matter what, solely for the sake of partisanship.




I don't think people will support their party, no matter what, solely for the sake of partisanship. The Democratic party is more fucked up now than ever before. People don't like Joe Biden or the party. This is all about getting rid of Trump. Period. As far as I'm concerned, people who want to stay true to their beliefs can do whatever they want. Due to the corona crisis their votes will not be necessary to beat Trump. I have gone on the record here several times; I am not idealistic whatsoever,


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26577297 - 04/04/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There are a lot of people who do support their party no matter what.  It depends on the individual, obviously, but there are plenty who will support the notion that the sky is red because their party said so.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
    #26577834 - 04/04/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

They're voting against Trump, period. Most don't have really favorable views of the Democratic Party, but they are going to vote Democrat.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26577905 - 04/04/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There's certainly a large number of people doing that as well. But Biden isn't much better, and he will also lose to Trump in the general election.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius]
    #26578055 - 04/04/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you would like to bet on Trump winning, PM me.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26578372 - 04/04/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Is Biden picking a woman VP a prank on women?
Getting their first presidency like that would be embarrassing to women.

to overcome that, she would have to be some sort of...
Bisexual...Indian woman...of color!?(those adjectives are her chosen descriptors in every show she has ever done)



:awesomenod:


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Brian Jones] * 4
    #26578405 - 04/04/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If you would like to bet on Trump winning, PM me.



I wouldn't bet on Trump winning, but I would bet on Biden not winning.  :smirk:


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26579022 - 04/05/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: qman]
    #26579030 - 04/05/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Q, Sanders supporters simply cannot convince establishment Democrats that he can carry Independents better than Biden.  Now it's going to bite them in the ass.


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Re: If Biden Wins the primary, I am abstaining from the general [Re: Asclepius] * 1
    #26579220 - 04/05/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Q's right.

Trump will win re-election, with somewhere between 42-45% of the vote.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the GOP states cancel their elections (and claim its because of coronavirus) and simply send their electors to vote for Trump.


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