Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore Injection Grain Bag

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4  [ show all ]
Offlinea_guy_named_ai
Stranger
Male
Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 767
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination
    #7539630 - 10/20/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I honestly hate America, but here's to point out the lesser evil.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/ron_paul_media_finally_admits_as_top_tier_candidate.htm


Edited by jonathan_206 (10/20/07 04:03 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,287
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 5 months, 23 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7539769 - 10/20/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Paul's campaign highlighted that according to the financial reports, the indication is that the only viable candidates where Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, and Ron Paul. Mitt Romney's campaign is viable as long as he continues to spend his personal wealth.





Heh. This reporter spells like half of the idiots around here.

Do they proof-read this stuff?


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7540110 - 10/20/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Oddly enough, not one of these people is willing to take up my offer of $100 for their $1 if Paul gets nominated. Fucking blowholes if you ask me.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSneezingPenis
ACHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!111!
 User Gallery
Registered: 01/15/05
Posts: 15,427
Last seen: 6 years, 8 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7541077 - 10/20/07 11:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what, you mean getting either the dem nomination or the repub nomination?

no. But I would be interested in a bet regarding what percentage of the vote RP gets.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7542005 - 10/21/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Republican. Or Democrat, I guess.
I don't know I'll go near that vote total thing. In the primaries? All of the primaries? As an independent? Just out of curiosity, how would you phrase this wager? And what percentage would you put as an over/under proposition?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7542014 - 10/21/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Oddly enough, not one of these people is willing to take up my offer of $100 for their $1 if Paul gets nominated.  Fucking blowholes if you ask me.




I'll bet you $10 that Ron Paul gets nominated for the presidency in the primary election. :smile:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTheCow
Stranger

Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 4,790
Last seen: 15 years, 6 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7542059 - 10/21/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

damn, the shit is on now
I might have to take this bet up also, the odds are just too absurd


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: TheCow]
    #7542205 - 10/21/07 10:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

TheCow said:
damn, the shit is on now
I might have to take this bet up also, the odds are just too absurd




That's how the lotteries make billions. Suckers.

Here it is. 100-1 against Ron Paul being either the Republican or Democratic nominee for president in 2008.

Actually, we can't do this. It's illegal. But this is the first time anybody has chirped up in the months I've been saying it. There's a lot of idiots at Intrade too where he's running around 6-7% right now, up from 0.1% at the beginning. Limeys are teh stoopit.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: TheCow]
    #7542209 - 10/21/07 10:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm hoping that he honors my wager, but realizes that he should quickly close off the possibility of any new bets. :smirk: The bets will snowball at the pace of Ron Paul's campaign, and I don't want him to default on my bet because he owes all of you fuckers money too. :razz:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTheCow
Stranger

Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 4,790
Last seen: 15 years, 6 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7542234 - 10/21/07 10:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ha yea i can dig. The difference with the lottery is that the probability of winning is ridiculously low. Here Ron Paul has a small shot, not a big one for sure, but the probability difference is orders of magnitude so your comparison is faulty.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,287
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 5 months, 23 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: TheCow]
    #7542514 - 10/21/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Do you really think Ron Paul has any shot at the REPUBLICAN NOMINATION?

That is the height of insanity. He will probably run as an Independent and suck up enough votes from Democrats to make Mitt Romney the next Prez, but there is not a chance in hell of him winning the Republican nomination.

The people who vote in caucus', especially the early ones where momentum is established, are not the kind of people who will vote for Ron Paul. They are hardcore, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans who are either vehemently against the things Paul stands for (Drug Legalization, Ending the War) or scared to death at how far he would take the things that they are lukewarmly in favor of. (Fed Reserve, FTAs)

He doesn't even have a snowballs chance in hell.


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7542799 - 10/21/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, he does have that shot. :smile:

He has a lot to offer all Republicans. He can unify them all.


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,287
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 5 months, 23 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7542842 - 10/21/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I dont see that happening.

He has about 3 months until the first primaries.

He better get to work, because at the moment, he's got about 2 percent of the vote. He's going to need 50 percent more to win a primary.

Good luck, Ron.


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinea_guy_named_ai
Stranger
Male
Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 767
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7543568 - 10/21/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

He better get to work, because at the moment, he's got about 2 percent of the vote. He's going to need 50 percent more to win a primary.





Quote:



Paul's campaign highlighted that according to the financial reports, the indication is that the only viable candidates where Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, and Ron Paul. Mitt Romney's campaign is viable as long as he continues to spend his personal wealth.

Ron Paul's campaign may do many things in this election but it has already made media polls irrelevant suggesting them to be an outdated obsolete method of rating candidates. If the polls were accurate Dr. Paul should not be in third place in the GOP money race.

The cable networks have been giving a disproportionate amount of time in televised debates to what they believed to be the top tier of candidates (Giuliani, Romney, Thompson, and McCain).

Expect a reshuffling of that order, replacing McCain with Paul during the Fox News debate in Orlando Florida this Sunday, or viewers may see a flashback to the famous Ronald Reagan line from a presidential debate, when he said, �I'm paying for this microphone� but instead, Paul might say, �the American people have paid for this microphone�.




From what I've read in this article, it seems to be implying that that 2 percent is absolutely false.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,287
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 5 months, 23 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7543585 - 10/21/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sorry, but that is a crock.

You can spin the money results anyway you want, but in every single opinion poll that comes out, Ron Paul is consistent with about 2% of the vote. These are polls from both sides of the spectrum and every angle. CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, Zogby, etc etc.

2%.

The fact that the polls are not saying what you want them to say does not make them irrelevant.

1000 people are chosen. These 1000 people are called and asked who they would support for president. They give an answer.

I dont see anything Ron Paul has said or done that would make this type of polling "irrelevant" as your article claims.


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePhred
Fred's son
Male

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 12,949
Loc: Dominican Republic
Last seen: 9 years, 18 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7543594 - 10/21/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It can imply all it wants. The poll data is solid. Less than two per cent for Paul on every poll ever taken. Some polls show less than one per cent.

There is no possible way this guy will be the Republican Party's nominee for president. It just won't happen. Third party candidate, okay... that's up to Ron Paul to decide. But the choice of the RNC? It is to laugh.

Hell, if he were to run as an independent and I were allowed to vote in US elections, I'd vote for him before voting for any of the Dem or Repub candidates.




Phred


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,287
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 5 months, 23 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7543605 - 10/21/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just in case you wanted to see for yourself...

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/

Click on the link, on the left hand column there is a section called "National Poll Trends"

Pick any polling group you want and click the link to see the polls. You can get ABC, ARG, Fox, Zogby, Gallup, NBC, USA, PEW, AP, etc.

There is no bias, this is just the way things are.

EDIT: Here's Ron Paul's page on the same site. For easy reference across many polls...
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/candidates/Ron-Paul.html


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinea_guy_named_ai
Stranger
Male
Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 767
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7544442 - 10/21/07 08:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

relevent articles:

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/are-pollsters-censoring-ron-paul-from-states-polls.html

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/pollster-justifies-ron-paul-exclusion-texas-poll.html

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/what-usaelectionpolls-thinks-of-ron-paul.html

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/candidates/Ron-Paul.html

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-natural-boost.html

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-blowback-undisputable-fact.html


My honest opinion is that if you think the election process is fair you're pretty naive. I think you should all become Christians and join me and forget about this demon called America.

I think argueing about who's going to win is like arguing about wwf westling. Do you really think these "elites" will let it up to you to decide? No way.

But as far as I can tell, and I could be wrong Ron Paul is the lesser evil. I don't vote though. I don't know what will happen, but I don't see how these people in the white house right now pushing this crusade are going to just let go (without divine intervention). It's not just bush. It's been the same people all along..they've been there from the beginning.

One thing I think is sure, the power is going to the east, even if it means sacrificing America.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,287
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 5 months, 23 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7544456 - 10/21/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Nobody is saying it is fair to you.

But it is the way things are decided.

I dont doubt that if he runs as an independent that he will garner a decent % of the vote.

But he isn't going to get the Republican Nomination.

This is all thats being said here...


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePhred
Fred's son
Male

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 12,949
Loc: Dominican Republic
Last seen: 9 years, 18 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: Phred]
    #7544712 - 10/21/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Here's an interesting article about a recent Zogby poll on candidate negatives. The article mainly focuses on Hillary's negatives, it's worth noting that Ron Paul is right up there after Hillary, Gravel and Kucinich. No surprise to see Gravel and Kucinich there -- those two are stone loony imbeciles and might garner a few thousand votes nationwide between them in any general election. What might come as a dash of cold water to the Paul fans here is the fact that he's currently perceived as negatively as Mike Gravel. Mike frickin' Gravel! That ain't something to be proud of, folks.

From http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2007/10/018818.php

Quote:


HILLARY: STILL UNELECTABLE?

Throughout her career in public life, Hillary Clinton has been plagued by high disapproval ratings. In recent months, there have been some indications that hostility to Mrs. Clinton is fading, but this Zogby poll raises again the question of her electability. The question asked was, "Whom would you NEVER vote for as President of the U.S.?" Here are the results:

Clinton: 50%
Kucinich: 49%
Gravel: 47%
Paul: 47%
Brownback: 47%
Tancredo: 46%
McCain: 45%
Hunter: 44%
Giuliani: 43%
Romney: 42%
Edwards: 42%
Thompson: 41%
Dodd: 41%
Biden: 40%
Obama: 37%
Huckabee: 35%
Richardson: 34%

Some of these results should be taken with a grain of salt. The reality is that in today's political climate, every Presidential candidate begins with at least 35% to 40% of the population who will never vote for him or her. I, for example, would never vote for a Democrat for President; it really doesn't matter whom they nominate. This question becomes important when there is something about a candidate that repels some voters who would normally be expected to vote for that candidate. When that happens, alienating even a small percentage of expected supporters is very important.

This is where Hillary could have a serious problem. In the Zogby poll, 59% of those 65 years old and over said they would never vote for her. That suggests a much worse showing in that demographic than any Democrat would normally expect.

Polls, especially at this stage, are of limited significance, even where, like this Zogby poll, they sample a considerable number of likely voters (here, 9,718). But the persistently large number of people who seem to be put off by Hillary must be worrisome to her campaign.

One other point emerges from this survey: note that Mitt Romney fares rather well. Since just about the only thing that most people know about Romney is that he is a Mormon, his supporters will take heart from the fact that he seems not to be ruled out by any more likely voters than his rivals.




--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblegettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Female User Gallery

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7545082 - 10/21/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Madtowntripper said:
Well, I dont see that happening.

He has about 3 months until the first primaries.

He better get to work, because at the moment, he's got about 2 percent of the vote. He's going to need 50 percent more to win a primary.




He's up to 5% now http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2007-10-15-poll.htm?loc=interstitialskip

He also now has over 6.5 mill to start running Television and Radio commercials in the early primary states with and he started spending it on just that. He's still raising hella more cash by the day and his meet up group(volunteer grass roots campaigners, organizing in their local areas) are still growing.



Quote:

Good luck, Ron.




He'll take your well wishes. Thank for them you!


--------------------
Ahuwale ka nane huna.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7546229 - 10/22/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That seems aberrant since he increased his support by 250% in one week. The Paulnuts must have been in season. Like the once mighty Deaniacs. Feh, a useless tool for teenage masturbation fantasies.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSeussA
Error: divide byzero


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 23,480
Loc: Caribbean
Last seen: 2 months, 20 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7546312 - 10/22/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> Feh, a useless tool for teenage masturbation fantasies.

At my age, no tool for teenage masturbation fantasies is useless.  :wink:

> That seems aberrant since he increased his support by 250% in one week.

Difficult to know if it is an outlier or a trend.  A few more months, once the primaries start going full swing, should tell us if the Paulnuts are nuts or not.  As long as Herr Hillary doesn't win, I'm happy.


--------------------
Just another spore in the wind.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinea_guy_named_ai
Stranger
Male
Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 767
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: Seuss]
    #7546844 - 10/22/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Oh right, so here is what I have been reading, take a look.

Aparrently from these comments, and I am researching more on it, Ron Paul completely won the "You vote" text poll after the repub. debate last tuesday, with 34%, winning by about 10% with huckabee coming in second.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/21/423074.aspx

Apparently Hannity was disputing the results of his own poll.

Here is a blog talking about how the debate was stacked against Ron Paul.

http://rattube.com/blog1/2007/10/21/fox-stacks-debate-audience-with-christian-zionists-war-mongers/

And as the first link I posted above was pointing out, apparently Ron Paul has been barred consistently from pollsters:

Quote:

There have been 27 republican primary polls taken this calendar year WITHOUT referencing Ron Paul. And only 5 polls with Ron Paul. Here are the results in these polls.




Here's what we know, around 70 percent of the people in America definitely wants to get out of Iraq. So then why the seeming results that everyone is for warmongers like giuliani and Clinton? Almost every single other candidate as far as I know is for staying in Iraq extendedly. Paul seem to be the only one with an ounce of reason who is supporting a non interventionist foreign policy.

So here's what I know for sure. If the people have any say in it, then I cannot possibly see how anyone BUT Ron Paul could win.

But here's another one of my thoughts. Don't you think the nwo strategists saw this coming a long time ago? I mean, how could they not know this could happen. I'm incredibly skepical. I know they're not all powerful though, and sometimes justice maniges to bust through nevertheless. But I don't know..maybe Paul is just too good to be true. he's definitely not the best option, but considering this day and age, it's pretty far out. I don't think anything is truly too good to be true, but considering the circumstances, it's pretty strange.

Does anyone else know of any other polls he won?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7546981 - 10/22/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

100% of the people want to get out of Iraq. The question that is relevant is when and at what status. Paul is the only one who espouses getting out right now because he is a nut and because the polls don't support it, in spite of your assertion to the contrary. How come he doesn't have 70% support then, instead of the 2-5%?

The Paulnuts have pretty much rendered useless any kind of online poll because they flood them with bots.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrAiN
Art Fag
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/01/01
Posts: 6,875
Loc: Chocolate City
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7547010 - 10/22/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
How come he doesn't have 70% support then, instead of the 2-5%?





Because 80% of the republicans out there are racist redneck fucks (present compant exluded... for you shroomerite republicans have obviously learned how to walk upright and use electricity) that don't give a shit about how many brown people die and think that they're absolved from any blood on their hands from American soliders if they just slap a yellow ribbon sticker on their soccer van. I bet half the republicans out there are watching fox news every night with a giant BONER in one hand watching the war and a bud light in their other hand.

Ron Paul threatens the hand with the raging erection in its grips caused by the overcompensatory alpha-male vision that is the American Dream!

Noo! Noo!! Mr. paul! Forget the fact that you stand for everything real conservatism is and that you're the only one with common sense. Forget the fact that Guliani is seen as more conservative as you even though he's pro abortion, pro-gay rights, and weak on illegal immigrants. RON PAUL! DAMN YOU!!!! DON'T TAKE AWAY MY FOX NEWS INDUCED ERECTION! DAMN YOU RON PAUL FOR NOT MENTIONING 9/11 ENOUGH IN YOUR SPEECHES AND NOT USING IT AS AN EXCUSE TO KILL THE BROWNIES!

WooOOOO!! GO NASCAR! GO HULK HOGAN!

OooooOO!! Sean hanity.. YoOoo so sexy...

Since when did being pro-war be the defining characteristic of being a "true conservative republican?"


Edited by BrAiN (10/22/07 02:04 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: BrAiN]
    #7547057 - 10/22/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

BrAiN said:
Because 90% of the republicans out there are racist redneck fucks that don't give a shit about how many brown people die and think that they're absolved from any blood on their hands from American soliders if they just slap a yellow ribbon sticker on their soccer van. I bet half the republicans out there are watching fox news every night with a giant BONER in one hand watching the war and a bud light in their other hand.

Ron Paul threatens the hand with the raging erection in its grips!

Noo! Noo!! Mr. paul! Forget the fact that you stand for everything real conservatism is and that you're the only one with common sense. Forget the fact that Guliani is seen as more conservative as you even though he's pro abortion. RON PAUL! DAMN YOU!!!! DON'T TAKE AWAY MY FOX NEWS INDUCED ERECTION!

WooOOOO!! GO NASCAR! GO HULK HOGAN!

Since when did being pro-war be the defining characteristic of being a "true conservative republican?"




It isn't. But you managed to write one of the most ignorant and myopic posts I have ever seen. I hate jesus and NASCAR and love killing babies in the womb. I am a true conservative. None of those things are definitively conservative, they just so happen to be somewhat coincident. There are a lot of conservatives like me and you are a victim and tool of the MSM/academia propaganda machine. Sucker. And I and many others have laid out a strong case for the invasions. Both of them. Your response...... Bushitlerburtontehsuxxorswarmongerblahbalhblah


Quote:

zappaisgod said:
How come he doesn't have 70% support then, instead of the 2-5%?








Well?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7547060 - 10/22/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, I forgot, Ron Paul threatens nothing. He is a gnat.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrAiN
Art Fag
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/01/01
Posts: 6,875
Loc: Chocolate City
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7547081 - 10/22/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

BrAiN said:
Because 90% of the republicans out there are racist redneck fucks that don't give a shit about how many brown people die and think that they're absolved from any blood on their hands from American soliders if they just slap a yellow ribbon sticker on their soccer van. I bet half the republicans out there are watching fox news every night with a giant BONER in one hand watching the war and a bud light in their other hand.

Ron Paul threatens the hand with the raging erection in its grips!

Noo! Noo!! Mr. paul! Forget the fact that you stand for everything real conservatism is and that you're the only one with common sense. Forget the fact that Guliani is seen as more conservative as you even though he's pro abortion. RON PAUL! DAMN YOU!!!! DON'T TAKE AWAY MY FOX NEWS INDUCED ERECTION!

WooOOOO!! GO NASCAR! GO HULK HOGAN!

Since when did being pro-war be the defining characteristic of being a "true conservative republican?"




It isn't. But you managed to write one of the most ignorant and myopic posts I have ever seen. I hate jesus and NASCAR and love killing babies in the womb. I am a true conservative. None of those things are definitively conservative, they just so happen to be somewhat coincident. There are a lot of conservatives like me and you are a victim and tool of the MSM/academia propaganda machine. Sucker. And I and many others have laid out a strong case for the invasions. Both of them. Your response...... Bushitlerburtontehsuxxorswarmongerblahbalhblah





That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: BrAiN]
    #7547086 - 10/22/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

OK Colin.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrAiN
Art Fag
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/01/01
Posts: 6,875
Loc: Chocolate City
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7547098 - 10/22/07 02:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok doodoohead poopieface lovemuffins :wink:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrAiN
Art Fag
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/01/01
Posts: 6,875
Loc: Chocolate City
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7547101 - 10/22/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
OK Colin.




Out of curiosity... who are you pulling for in 08? I'm going to guess Guliani? You silly pro-war, atheist, babyscraper, you.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: BrAiN]
    #7547207 - 10/22/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You win a prize.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrAiN
Art Fag
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/01/01
Posts: 6,875
Loc: Chocolate City
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7547232 - 10/22/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Do I get a cookie?

What's Guliani's stance on welfare queens? His website mentions the usual "cut gov't waste", but doesn't mention anything specific about the current welfare system.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSneezingPenis
ACHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!111!
 User Gallery
Registered: 01/15/05
Posts: 15,427
Last seen: 6 years, 8 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7547404 - 10/22/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

5% of the vote.

that is my o/u line bet.

I like RP... in fact, it is the only candidate that I have liked.ever.

but, he will not win the presidency.... but what does matter, is if he gets 5% of the vote.
Something Nader couldnt even get done.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrAiN
Art Fag
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/01/01
Posts: 6,875
Loc: Chocolate City
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7547416 - 10/22/07 03:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think he got about 5% in 2000

Quote:

YawningAnus said:
5% of the vote.

that is my o/u line bet.

I like RP... in fact, it is the only candidate that I have liked.ever.

but, he will not win the presidency.... but what does matter, is if he gets 5% of the vote.
Something Nader couldnt even get done.




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelonestar2004
Live to party,work to affordit.
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/03/04
Posts: 8,978
Loc: South Texas
Last seen: 12 years, 9 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: Phred]
    #7547437 - 10/22/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Phred said:
Hell, if he were to run as an independent and I were allowed to vote in US elections, I'd vote for him before voting for any of the Dem or Repub candidates.
Phred




:thumbup:


--------------------
America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: BrAiN]
    #7547671 - 10/22/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

BrAiN said:
Do I get a cookie?

What's Guliani's stance on welfare queens? His website mentions the usual "cut gov't waste", but doesn't mention anything specific about the current welfare system.




Giuliani was the main driving force for welfare reform in NYC. On that issue he is a god
http://www.urban.org/publications/410542.html
Quote:


Welfare reform became a major policy priority in New York City in the 1990s. From the time Mayor Rudolph Giuliani took office in 1994 to the time Mayor Michael Bloomberg's administration began in 2002, the City's welfare system was redefined around work and organizationally restructured. As in other parts of the country, average monthly welfare caseloads under New York's Family Assistance (FA) and Safety Net Assistance (SNA) (mainly individuals without children) programs declined by over 50 percent, from about 500,000 in 1993 to about 200,000 in 2001.






--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBrAiN
Art Fag
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/01/01
Posts: 6,875
Loc: Chocolate City
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7547786 - 10/22/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Good for him


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinenakors_junk_bag
Lobster Bisque
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/23/04
Posts: 2,415
Loc: ethereality
Last seen: 15 years, 9 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: BrAiN]
    #7547820 - 10/22/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

no, good for us!


--------------------
Asshole


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: nakors_junk_bag]
    #7547825 - 10/22/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

nakors_junk_bag said:
no, good for us!


:thumbup:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblekake
The answer to1984 is 1776.
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/06/99
Posts: 2,782
Loc: The 66th harmonic
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7549847 - 10/23/07 02:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If nothing else, Ron Paul is at least out there giving people hope. If we expect to ever have a revolution in this country, well it's going to start with grassroots efforts of course but we still need a unified voice, someone who is intelligent and has a remarkable track record, someone who represents the solidarity of our voice. Ron Paul is a fucking blessing, in that regard.

America wants change. Fuck the media for hiding it/denying it and fuck the polls for not even including Dr. Paul's name on them. Shame!


--------------------
The answer to 1984 is 1776.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinegluke bastid
Stinky Bum
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/20/00
Posts: 3,322
Loc: Charm City
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: kake]
    #7550505 - 10/23/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

kake said:
If nothing else, Ron Paul is at least out there giving people hope. If we expect to ever have a revolution in this country, well it's going to start with grassroots efforts of course but we still need a unified voice, someone who is intelligent and has a remarkable track record, someone who represents the solidarity of our voice. Ron Paul is a fucking blessing, in that regard.




What is grassroots about Paul? He is seeking nomination for president in the republican primary. It doesn't get much more "top-down" than that.


--------------------
:hst:
Society in every form is a blessing,
but government at its best is but a necessary evil
 
- Thomas Paine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7550545 - 10/23/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

gluke bastid said:
What is grassroots about Paul? He is seeking nomination for president in the republican primary. It doesn't get much more "top-down" than that.




:what:

Ron Paul's campaign is clearly a grass-roots campaign. What are you even talking about? :confused:

Ron Paul's position right now is the result of American people rallying together and building him up, which is quite different than a corporate/media/political establishment pushing a candidate like Hillary Clinton down upon the people. Maybe you just misunderstood what was being talked about. :shrug:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblegettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Female User Gallery

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7550617 - 10/23/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

gluke bastid said:

What is grassroots about Paul? He is seeking nomination for president in the republican primary. It doesn't get much more "top-down" than that.




Are you serious?

His campaign is not, nor ever has been managed from the top down.

He still has a small staff and has spent a small portion of his donations. His campaign materials store is even a modest selection of materials to buy.

Grassroots- Over 400 meet up groups have popped up so far. These are local groups that volunteer to campaign for Paul, with their own ideas, and own money under their own local leaders not hired by the campaign. There are over 1,000 members now. There are more who havn't joined meetups. They created the rEVOLution, hijacked the internet to replace the MSM, create their own T-shirts, campaign materials and sell them on their own internet stores and at rally's. They create and pay for radio, television and billboard ads. They create and host rally's and invite Paul to speak at them. They pay for airplanes to fly Ron Paul banners over beaches and stadiums. They organize sign waves on busy intersections, and Paint the Towns Ron,( flooding towns with RP signs and banners) they've created over 40,000 videos, hundreds of blogs, they organize fundraising drives, created their own campaign internet forums not related to meet up, created RP DVDs for mass distribution, they enter town parades, set up booths at local festivals and farmers markets bringing laptops and flat screens to air the DVDs and register voters, they take on the MSM when they misrepresent Paul or his supporters and get national coverage for doing that.

I have barely scratched the surface on what they are doing with grass roots efforts. It's incredible, amazing! I've never seen anything like it for a presidential candidate in a nation grown apathetic to elections.

Grassroots is what happens when the supporters basically fund and organize an unofficial campaign, not taking directions from the official campaigns HQ. It's predominantly a free market, decentralized effort and Paul couldn't be more pleased about it as that is how he thinks the free markets and government should work-of the people, for the people, by the people.

Like when he is asked about how he achieved his strong support on the internet, he says, " I didn't harness the Internet, the Internet harnessed me."

Like when he shows up to rally's with hundreds to thousands of supporters who organized it, he says, "Thank you for inviting me to your reEVOLution."



Paul can keep his HQ costs low and most of his donations still in the bank, because his grass roots supporters have been doing most of the campaigning work for free, under their own direction, and on their own dime.


--------------------
Ahuwale ka nane huna.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinegluke bastid
Stinky Bum
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/20/00
Posts: 3,322
Loc: Charm City
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7550658 - 10/23/07 12:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
Ron Paul's campaign is clearly a grass-roots campaign. What are you even talking about?




I'm talking about the fact that running for president on the GOP ticket is not what I would stop to consider grassroots. 

Quote:

Ron Paul's position right now is the result of American people rallying together and building him up, which is quite different than a corporate/media/political establishment pushing a candidate like Hillary Clinton down upon the people. Maybe you just misunderstood what was being talked about. :shrug:




So you are saying that Paul's campaign is not funded by any corporations or political parties and is instead funded solely by individual contributions? I'd like to see some proof of that, please, because I would be sincerely impressed and surprised.

Your post would also suggest that Paul is campaigning reluctantly, and his desire to be president is of a different nature than that of Clinton's or anyone else's for that matter.


--------------------
:hst:
Society in every form is a blessing,
but government at its best is but a necessary evil
 
- Thomas Paine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSeussA
Error: divide byzero


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 23,480
Loc: Caribbean
Last seen: 2 months, 20 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7550730 - 10/23/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> I'm talking about the fact that running for president on the GOP ticket is not what I would stop to consider grassroots.

Just because you don't understand the definition of "grassroots campaign" doesn't mean that Ron Paul's campaign isn't grassroots.  :wink:

> So you are saying that Paul's campaign is not funded by any corporations or political parties and is instead funded solely by individual contributions?

Yep, pretty much.

From the Wall Street Journal:
Quote:

Individual donors are the backbone of Paul’s operation which has relied heavily on grassroots activism and Internet fund-raising. All told in the third quarter, Paul took in $5.3 million in contributions, all but $6,725 of which came from individuals. The campaign has set an ambitious $12 million goal for the fourth quarter, which ends Dec. 31. Since the quarter began, the campaign has raised a little over $1 million — which is monitored in real-time on the campaign’s Web site.




--------------------
Just another spore in the wind.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblegettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Female User Gallery

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7550750 - 10/23/07 12:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ron Paul refuses special interest money. Always has. Lobbyists know not to bother going to his office.

It's not that RP is a reluctant candidate. He wants this very much. He only wants it if the people are ready for his message because his message requires their co-operation if he gets elected.

RP says, "I do not want to become President because of what I want to do. I want to become president because of what I don't want to do. I do not want to run your lives, or the world."

He pretty much is acting as the vehicle for Americans to take back control over their lives, country and Constitution, if they want that. he puts out his message of Freedom, Liberty and Prosperity and himself as a candidate for that. He will let the voters decide from there if they want it or not.

This is why he doesn't pander to crowds or take special interest money.

He strongly believes in following the model of the Constitution and knows, it will only work, if the people want to follow it too.


--------------------
Ahuwale ka nane huna.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7550756 - 10/23/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

gluke bastid said:
I'm talking about the fact that running for president on the GOP ticket is not what I would stop to consider grassroots.




So running a grass-roots campaign isn't a grass-roots campaign because it is a campaign? :what:

Quote:


grass-roots      /ˈgræsˌruts, -ˌrʊts, ˈgrɑs-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[gras-roots, -roots, grahs-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective of, pertaining to, or involving the common people, esp. as contrasted with or separable from an elite: a grass-roots movement for nuclear disarmament. 




If you read jiggy's informative post on Ron Paul's campaign, it is abundantly evident that his campaign is almost entirely grass-roots based. The fact that he is running for Republican nomination does not negate the fact that his campaign is almost entirely a grass-roots one. To think it does is simply evidence that one doesn't understand what a grass-roots campaign is. :shrug:

As another member said, perhaps in this thread, the amount of money Ron Paul has raised for his official campaign, which places him in the top-tier of the Republican campaign, represents a lot more votes than others who receive much larger individual donations, due to corporate interests and the like - not to mention the amount of money that is involved in his grass-roots campaign.

I wonder if there is a way, jiggy, to get a rough estimate as to how much money he has actually raised, when one considers how many resources went into the grass-roots campaign. Has anyone ever looked into calculating that? :smile:

I think Ron Paul's impact and support does not register in the media as it actually exists, because it is not of the media. The American people are beginning to bypass the media, as it is an ineffective manner in which to receive, and certainly to give, information. Human evolution is a testament to the fact that we have a continuous strive for the proliferation of more and more information, as the more information we have, the more we understand reality, thus ensuring our survival, as we learn how to interact with reality in successful manners.

Perhaps the movement away from the traditional corporate/media establishment is not developed enough yet to bring a candidate like Ron Paul into the presidency yet, but it is clearly a sign of changing times, and he certainly seems to be snowballing. I think if he focused now on gaining the support of the Christian conservative base, started using more of his official campaign money to open up communication with them (he doesn't need to pander or posture to them, as he's already their candidate, in my opinion), he could gain enough substansial support to push through the Republican primaries, and, from there, onto the presidency. Hillary Clinton wouldn't stand a chance. :smile:

 

Quote:


So you are saying that Paul's campaign is not funded by any corporations or political parties and is instead funded solely by individual contributions? I'd like to see some proof of that, please, because I would be sincerely impressed and surprised.




Any corporations or political parties? No, I'm not saying that, and it is an overwhelming phenomenon to witness individuals in this forum latch onto an absolutist conclusion and push it like this. Clearly, demonstrateably, the majority of Ron Paul's campaign is supported by individual, American people. The average donation for Ron Paul, of course, is apparently $40. There aren't exactly a lot of corporate special interests that would put forward Ron Paul as their candidate - feel free to point me in the direction of any. :wink: 

Quote:


Your post would also suggest that Paul is campaigning reluctantly, and his desire to be president is of a different nature than that of Clinton's or anyone else's for that matter.




No, it doesn't suggest that - you are simply projecting. How does it suggest it, if you feel it does? :sherlock:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7550762 - 10/23/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

gettinjiggywithit said:
He pretty much is acting as the vehicle for Americans to take back control over their lives, country and Constitution, if they want that. he puts out his message of Freedom, Liberty and Prosperity and himself as a candidate for that. He will let the voters decide from there if they want it or not.

This is why he doesn't pander to crowds or take special interest money.

He strongly believes in following the model of the Constitution and knows, it will only work, if the people want to follow it too.




Not only that, but his entire life is a testament to this. :thumbup: I was reading what was essentially his biography on wikipedia, and the man sounds like a modern age Thomas Jefferson, in so many ways. :smile:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7550775 - 10/23/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

jonathan_206 said:
I honestly hate America,[/url]




That's not very christian of you.:sad:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinegluke bastid
Stinky Bum
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/20/00
Posts: 3,322
Loc: Charm City
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: Seuss]
    #7550816 - 10/23/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
> I'm talking about the fact that running for president on the GOP ticket is not what I would stop to consider grassroots.

Just because you don't understand the definition of "grassroots campaign" doesn't mean that Ron Paul's campaign isn't grassroots.  :wink:





I understand what a grassroots campaign is. If RP or anyone else becomes the candidate for the GOP, their campaign would no longer be grassroots. That was my point with the above statement. :wink:

It has been news to me, because I am not a Ron Paul supporter and am pretty ignorant about him, that he has been able to finance his campaign through individual donations and grassroots organization. 
I am impressed that he has done so, and hope that this may be a step in the right direction for other candidates. I appreciate the link:

From the Wall Street Journal:
Quote:

Individual donors are the backbone of Paul’s operation which has relied heavily on grassroots activism and Internet fund-raising. All told in the third quarter, Paul took in $5.3 million in contributions, all but $6,725 of which came from individuals. The campaign has set an ambitious $12 million goal for the fourth quarter, which ends Dec. 31. Since the quarter began, the campaign has raised a little over $1 million — which is monitored in real-time on the campaign’s Web site.







--------------------
:hst:
Society in every form is a blessing,
but government at its best is but a necessary evil
 
- Thomas Paine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblegettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Female User Gallery

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7551021 - 10/23/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Good question FWG about how much has been put into his campaign from grass roots efforts, not tallied in the official campaign donations raised.

We wonder that alot at the Ron Paul forums. Guesstimating is extremely difficult because of the decentralization of the efforts. There is no where grass rooters report their personal spending on his campaign too.

I mean Ron Paul  meet up groups have been sprouting up in other countries quicker then I can keep track of them. ( There's one even in Baghdad now:lol:). His grass roots support has gone INTERNATIONAL.


For example, 2 of my local meet up groups now have over 200 members, so we split up into smaller groups to focus on different projects. It's getting impossible to keep tabs on what my own meet ups are spending, let alone all of them, and those working outside of meet up groups.

It's nice to have widgets like "chip in". Now people can post projects and put up a chip in link for the money they need raised, people can donate on line and watch the running total. This is happening more and more now to combine resources to pull off bigger scale projects costing in the thousands. It makes it easier for grass rooters to help fund projects in the early primary states who do not live in them.

Back to his official donations, the grass rooters are working on something cool related to the movie V for Vendetta and Nov 5th. We are making links go viral to spread the word to get RP supporters to all donate $100 on Nov 5th.  The goal is to raise 10 million dollars in ONE DAY! Those who have already committed to a pledge page have it up to about a million already. If you're a Paul supporter, get in on it and donate what you can on Nov 5th. The media won't be able to ignore it and we can put him ahead of Rudy in cash on hand.


--------------------
Ahuwale ka nane huna.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleafoaf
CEO DBK?
 User Gallery


Registered: 11/08/02
Posts: 32,665
Loc: Ripple's Heart
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: Icelander]
    #7551029 - 10/23/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

is it unchristian because it's America he hates?


--------------------
All I know is The Growery is a place where losers who get banned here go.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7551120 - 10/23/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

gluke bastid said:
I understand what a grassroots campaign is. If RP or anyone else becomes the candidate for the GOP, their campaign would no longer be grassroots. That was my point with the above statement. :wink:




It isn't a very compelling point.

Clearly, Republican interests would start to be put into his campaign as well. I don't understand how this negates the fact that his campaign is grounded upon a solid grass-roots foundation. In fact, once you have grass-roots, the grass itself starts to grow. :lol:

I just don't understand what the point of your point is. :shrug:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: afoaf]
    #7551128 - 10/23/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
it is unchristian because he hates




--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefuckusernames
Stranger

Registered: 10/09/07
Posts: 34
Last seen: 15 years, 10 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7553334 - 10/23/07 11:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

fuck this country. still good to hear. i suppose.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinea_guy_named_ai
Stranger
Male
Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 767
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7553780 - 10/24/07 06:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You're misquoting.


It's good for Love to hate evil.Not a strange concept.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefireworks_godS
Sexy.Butt.McDanger
Male


Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 24,855
Loc: Pandurn
Last seen: 1 year, 12 days
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7553900 - 10/24/07 07:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

jonathan_206 said:
You're misquoting.




No I'm not.

Quote:


It's good for Love to hate evil.Not a strange concept.




Yes, it is a strange concept. One state of mind cannot be another state of mind. The statement that love hates makes absolutely no sense. :rolleyes:


--------------------
:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinegluke bastid
Stinky Bum
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/20/00
Posts: 3,322
Loc: Charm City
Last seen: 5 years, 3 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7554256 - 10/24/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
It isn't a very compelling point.

Clearly, Republican interests would start to be put into his campaign as well. I don't understand how this negates the fact that his campaign is grounded upon a solid grass-roots foundation. In fact, once you have grass-roots, the grass itself starts to grow. :lol:

I just don't understand what the point of your point is. :shrug:




I was never trying to make a point, I was just surprised to hear his campaign described as grassroots and then wanted someone to explain it to me, which three of you did.

I will still defend my initial incredulity if you want me to, but I don't see how there's any point in talking about this anymore.


--------------------
:hst:
Society in every form is a blessing,
but government at its best is but a necessary evil
 
- Thomas Paine


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinea_guy_named_ai
Stranger
Male
Registered: 09/24/07
Posts: 767
Last seen: 15 years, 7 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7559304 - 10/25/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
    jonathan_206 said:
    You're misquoting.






No I'm not.




afoaf:

Quote:

is it unchristian because it's America he hates?




fireworks:

Quote:


afoaf said:

it is unchristian because he hates





Quote:

Yes, it is a strange concept. One state of mind cannot be another state of mind. The statement that love hates makes absolutely no sense. :rolleyes:




But it's not another state of mind. Evil hate and hating evil are two different things, they are very unlike one another. One is born of love, the other is born of hatred.

If a person loved to do evil things, we would not say that person was full of love would we?

Hating evil is instrinsically a part of love, and so it is not another state of mind.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemindspin
Heirophant

Registered: 10/23/07
Posts: 96
Last seen: 12 years, 2 months
Re: Establishment Media Finally Admits Ron Paul Is Top Tier Candidate; Could Win Nomination [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7563306 - 10/26/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I really think Ron Paul is the only hope for a better America... All the other candidates seem like the same shit in a different flavor (I mean ALL of them). Hillary and Giuliani are pro-war, I'm having a really hard time reading what Barack is all about, he's made some comments about Pakistan that scare me a little. All the other Repub candidates can go fuck off, and Kucinich and Gravel (I think both are pretty cool) don't have a snowball's chance in hell.

Vote Ron Paul to end these horrible, wasteful wars (War on Drugs, War in Iraq, conflict in general in the middle east) and restore freedom to this country!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4  [ show all ]

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore Injection Grain Bag


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* It Can't Happen Here - By Rep. Ron Paul usefulidiot 583 3 12/22/04 06:26 PM
by Annapurna1
* Ralph Nader to Debate Ron Paul Ancalagon 717 5 08/01/04 10:56 AM
by Tao
* Democracy is an illusion and the media is NOT LIBERAL.
( 1 2 3 all )
havatampa 4,831 49 04/06/22 06:34 AM
by how.psilly.of.me
* Democracy Is Not Freedom
( 1 2 all )
Ancalagon 2,998 27 02/09/05 08:31 PM
by RandalFlagg
* Who Rules America? Who Owns The Media? - The Facts usefulidiot 2,037 13 01/18/05 06:00 AM
by GazzBut
* Mass Media Cover-Ups FrankieJustTrypt 501 0 06/30/04 10:04 PM
by FrankieJustTrypt
* Top 10 censored media stories of the year... JonnyOnTheSpot 1,221 7 09/22/03 05:11 AM
by GazzBut
* Ted Turner on Big Media afoaf 690 2 08/03/04 03:29 PM
by afoaf

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
4,439 topic views. 0 members, 6 guests and 7 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.04 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 14 queries.