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Predictions for the Iowa primary
#7807266 - 12/28/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Republicans: 1: Romney 2: Huckabee 3: Thompson 4: Paul 5: Guliani 6: McCain
Dems: 1: Clinton 2: Obama 3: Edwards 4: Richardsom
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: discombobulate]
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Republicans:
1:Thompson 2:Romney 3:Huckabee 4:Paul 5:McCain 6:Guliani
Dems:
1:Edwards 2:Clinton 3:Obama
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: discombobulate]
#7807494 - 12/28/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Republicans
Huckabee Romney Thompson McCain Giuliani Paul
Democrats:
Clinton Obama Edwards Richardson Biden
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Phred]
#7808005 - 12/28/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Republicans:
Huckabee Romney McCain
Democrats:
Clinton Obama Edwards
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Misanthrope]
#7808059 - 12/28/07 05:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Republicans:
Huckabee Romney Paul Thompson McCain Giuliani
Democrats:
Billary Edwards/Obama Richardson/Biden
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Seuss]
#7808789 - 12/28/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Phred said: Republicans
Huckabee Romney Thompson McCain Giuliani Paul
Democrats:
Clinton Obama Edwards Richardson Biden
I think Phred's right. But I think Biden might beat Richardson.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Gijith]
#7808950 - 12/28/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If it wasn't obvious enough how much the mainstream media is deliberately trying to push RON PAUL out of the picture so people don't find out about him.. Fox News is being ever more blatant about it:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/94/has-fox-news-excluded-ron-paul
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: discombobulate]
#7810180 - 12/29/07 10:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Republicans:
Romney Paul Huckabee McCain Thompson Giuliani
I believe Romney will overtake Huckabee as Huckabee is increasingly discredited in the last week. Ron Paul's support in the state is not captured by the mainstream media's polls, but this will be the moment of truth. The margin between second and third will be very slim, and I do see it as possible that Ron Paul takes third, but I've went out on a limb and stated that Ron Paul will take second.
I don't follow the Democratic race enough to make a prediction.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
#7810202 - 12/29/07 10:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oy vey.
I will agree that Romney might overtake Huckabee -- the Huckster has been saying some exceptionally stupid things lately, and people are beginning to notice that. But this is Iowa, after all... as of today I still think Huckabee will finish first by a few points.
As for Ron Paul finishing second....
BWAHAHAHAHAA!
There's a slender chance he might finish second last -- if Giuliani is caught on film humping a dead woman or a live boy. But second? Don't be delusional.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Phred]
#7810313 - 12/29/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ron Paul has much more support in Iowa than Giuliani. Fact. It'll translate into votes in one week. Wait and see.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
#7810591 - 12/29/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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He could beat Giuliani, but I think that's as far as it will go.
Keep in mind the average caucus goer is like 60 something. These people don't have the internet. They don't know who the dude is.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Gijith]
#7810594 - 12/29/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Gijith]
#7811701 - 12/29/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gijith said: He could beat Giuliani, but I think that's as far as it will go.
Keep in mind the average caucus goer is like 60 something. These people don't have the internet. They don't know who the dude is.
Keep in mind that there has been a massive amount of grassroots work going on in Iowa. All these Ron Paul supporters that live on the Internet live in the real world too, you know. They've been pouring themselves and financial support into the state... I think they've sent over 600,000 handwritten letters in, running ads like crazy, as well as the official campaign... I'll be calling my grandpa down there to influence him to vote for Ron Paul, and my mother is now registered to vote for the first time in her life.
The media might not be showing you what is really happening in the state, and the polls aren't a good measure of translating that into something they do report.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: discombobulate]
#7823140 - 01/02/08 10:41 AM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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DES MOINES--The Des Moines Register, the most reliable poll we have for Iowa, is out with its final survey before the caucuses. On the Republican side, Mike Huckabee maintained a 6 point lead over Romney 32 to 26 despite the barrage of negative stories about him; John McCain surged into third place at 13 percent which would be a huge showing considering he didn't campaign much here and opposes ethanol subsidies; Fred Thompson and Ron Paul were tied at 9 percent which means that Thompson has seen no bounce from his debate performance and weeks of campaigning in Iowa (will he drop out if this is how he finishes?), and given the margin of error, it means that Paul has the potential to move into third place. Meanwhile, Rudy Giuliani continues his slide, and is down to an abysmal 5 percent in polls. There is now an outside chance that he could lose to Paul in both Iowa and New Hampshire--which would be poetic justice for Paulites and an embarassment for Giuliani who will be kept on the defensive regarding his late state strategy.
Not surprisingly, the poll found that Huckabee had a huge advantage over Romney among "fundamentalist Christians," social conservatives, and those who think he shares their "core principles." Romney does better on the experience and electability front, but by a smaller margin. Nearly half of caucus-goers still say they could change their mind, so take these results with a grain of salt.
And regarding Jennifer's point that Huckabee's press conference stunt was "drawing very little criticism in Iowa," that's not quite right. The Des Moines Register did cover the story, and its chief political reporter, David Yepsen, urged caution regarding the poll because "it can't reflect the goofy press conference Huckabee held on Monday in which he promised not to run attack ads against Mitt Romney while producing them and showing them to reporters anyway. Right." Huckabee is a laughingstock for pulling that stunt among the local media as well. With that said, I do think Jennifer is generally right that it may not have much impact on actual voters. At every stop I've been to, Huckabee emphasizes that he's been outspent 20-1 and the media is against him. He'll just cleverly blame this whole controversy on the media and and use it to add further fuel to his populist, anti-establishment, let's show the media that they don't control who gets elected, message.
If I had to bet on this race today I'd put my money on Huckabee based on going to events here, looking at the crowd sizes, and talking with the voters. Huckabee is not only drawing larger crowds from what I've been able to see, but his voters seem a lot more enthusiastic about him than Romney supporters are about their man. They tell me how they like Huckabee because he shares their "Christian values," that he's a good man, he's down to earth, that they feel that they can trust him, unlike Romney. Once word of mouth gets out among regular churchgoers, it spreads like wildfire, and I think your seeing that reflected in Huckabee's surge and the resilience of his support. I think what we may see is a repeat of Bush-Kerry 2004, in which the GOP turnout machine that worked through local social networks trumped the paid, outsourced Kerry get out the vote efforts. Romney's anti-Huckabee ads have had mixed results from what I've been able to pick up. I've spoken to people who have said to me that they switched to Huckabee once Romney went negative, but I've also spoken to people who have said they can't support Huckabee because he is too soft on immigration and raised taxes. So, Romney could certainly pull this thing off.
I'm heading out to Clinton and Edwards events now, so will have more thoughts from the Democratic side when I return.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
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They neglected to mention how the Des Moines Register unfairly stacked the deck for John McCain by officially endorsing him.... unbiased news, you bet.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
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so you believe all the polls are bullshit?
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
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I believe they are representative of the group they poll, but my point was that I find a media officially endorsing a candidate unethical.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said: They neglected to mention how the Des Moines Register unfairly stacked the deck for John McCain by officially endorsing him.... unbiased news, you bet.
Is this your first foray into American Presidential Politics?
You do realize that the the DMR is famous in political circles for their editorial endorsement of a candidate on the eve of the election?
They've ALWAYS done it.
Don't get mad because they didn't pick your favorite candidate.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: discombobulate]
#7824177 - 01/02/08 03:35 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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I am not going to give the entire list- just the top finishers IMO:
1) Romney 2) Huckabee
1) Edwards. If the polling of likely voters is accurate then he will really only finish third. I think he has some momentum however. He is also the only candidate Republicans actually fear so maybe voters will figure that out in the voting booth. 2) Clinton 3) Obama
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zorbman]
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1) Edwards. If the polling of likely voters is accurate then he will really only finish third. I think he has some momentum however. He is also the only candidate Republicans actually fear so maybe voters will figure that out in the voting booth.
The only candidates Republicans fear are their own. It should be very difficult to blow it against this bunch of mutts.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said: I believe they are representative of the group they poll, but my point was that I find a media officially endorsing a candidate unethical.
Wait. What happened to all these freedoms you supposedly support? That newspaper is a private entity and can do whatever the fuck it want in endorsing a candidate.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
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zorbman said:
1) Edwards. If the polling of likely voters is accurate then he will really only finish third. I think he has some momentum however. He is also the only candidate Republicans actually fear so maybe voters will figure that out in the voting booth.
The only candidates Republicans fear are their own. It should be very difficult to blow it against this bunch of mutts.
They're probably right to be afraid of their own. A big city liberal Republican with no foreign policy experience, a Mormon with no foreign policy experience, an actor on a pretty interesting show, a raving lunatic Christian with no foreign policy experience, and a man whose face looks like it's been through 15 strokes (though he does have foreign policy experience).
I'm amazed McCain isn't doing better. He's really the only one out of that bunch who is suitable for the job.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
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The only candidates Republicans fear are their own. It should be very difficult to blow it against this bunch of mutts.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Redstorm]
#7824970 - 01/02/08 07:23 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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They're probably right to be afraid of their own. an actor on a pretty interesting show
I'm amazed McCain isn't doing better. He's really the only one out of that bunch who is suitable for the job.
the "Actor" Fred Thompson was a lawyer, lobbyist, actor, and He represented Tennessee as a Republican in the U.S. Senate from 1994 through 2002 He was the Senate chairman of the Committee on Governmental Affairs, and served on the Finance Committee, the Intelligence Committee, and the National Security Working Group.
Until July 2007, Thompson was Chair of the International Security Advisory Board, a bipartisan advisory panel that reports to the Secretary of State and focuses on emerging strategic threats. In that capacity, he advised the State Department about all aspects of arms control, disarmament, international security, and related aspects of public diplomacy.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Redstorm]
#7824979 - 01/02/08 07:25 PM (16 years, 30 days ago) |
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I'm amazed McCain isn't doing better. He's really the only one out of that bunch who is suitable for the job.
It seems to me that people have been giving him a second look lately. His numbers have been going up as voters are discontent with this crop of mostly pitiful candidates.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zorbman]
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My parents love him.... IMO the crazy lunatic who sucks the liberal medias dick should not even be running as a republican....
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: discombobulate]
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: afoaf]
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I agree with these, just because it would stir up some serious shit.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7826314 - 01/03/08 02:19 AM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: You do realize that the the DMR is famous in political circles for their editorial endorsement of a candidate on the eve of the election?
They've ALWAYS done it.
Don't get mad because they didn't pick your favorite candidate.
Everyone who disagrees with you is not wrong.
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Redstorm said: Wait. What happened to all these freedoms you supposedly support? That newspaper is a private entity and can do whatever the fuck it want in endorsing a candidate.
It isn't about who they pick; I happen to think that a media source "endorsing" a candidate is unethical. I didn't say it violated any private rights, I didn't say it had anything to do with which candidate they did pick, I clearly stated that I feel that a major media outlet officially endorsing a candidate is unethical, clearly compounded if they are "famous" for it, directly evidenced by the subsequent rise that the candidate receives from the endorsement.
I have little regard for how status-quo the act is. Coverage is one thing, endorsement another. It isn't a question of rights, it is a question of ethics. I recognize an ethical distinction between covering the news and making the news. I apologize if ya'll are the type that appreciates the undue role the media will choose to play in choosing the candidate for others. 
Of course, with reading comprehension skills like this, perhaps it is best that ya'll don't make your own decisions regarding candidates...
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: I'm amazed McCain isn't doing better. He's really the only one out of that bunch who is suitable for the job.
Any president who would defend our current foreign policy and seek to expand it is clearly not suitable for the job. Foreign policy is one of the greatest responsibilities of the president, and to fuck that up so seriously as he and most candidates would continue to do is unforgiveable. Any presidental candidate touting the need for fiscal discipline while similarily seeking to continue our current foreign policy is a liar.
John McCain is probably leaps and bounds ahead of most Republican candidates on most issues, and he is pretty sensible on a lot of things, but foreign policy and the economy are two of the most crucial issues of the day, and his continuance of our failed foreign policy, in itself a tragedy, will also threaten the well-being of our already fragile economic situation.
I think John McCain would make a great vice-presidental candidate for Ron Paul, if he could realize why the greatest thing for our troops and our national security is to bring them home and enforce that border, as he suspossedly wants to do.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
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Of course, with reading comprehension skills like this, perhaps it is best that ya'll don't make your own decisions regarding candidates...
Is it really necessary to be a pretentious asshole 100% of the time?
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Redstorm]
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You'll have to ask zappa on that one.
Seriously though, no, not all of the time, but sometimes, although it probably isn't adviceable in the first place. Sometimes people tend to get heated in debate, especially if huge misconceptions of what one is saying are put forth.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: afoaf]
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
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Do you all believe this overnight surge of McCain being the new national front runner in the polls?
Seems a little set up. Nothing really explains where it came from overnight.
I'm not even going to bother guesstimating the outcome because of all the crap I heard about foul play there in 2004. On top of that I'm hearing more on dirty tricks being played like Romney people posing as Huckabee people, calling Huck supporters asking them to come out and vote...to the WRONG precinct address. Another off the top of my head was that in the last one, the room counts didn't match the vote counts. The vote counts were higher then those in the room eligible to vote. Nothing was ever done about it though.
Is Thompson not in Iowa? I have seen ZERO on him during the caucus coverage. Is he flaking out, dropping out or just now dead to the media or what?
Paul isn't getting the sort of coverage Huck and Mitt are, though he is getting positive bits and blurbs here and there. I like that they are mentioning his near $20 million dollar haul for Q4 and that, the younger voters, new voters and independents may turn up for him today and not to rule him out of the top 3. Lots of coverage in the last week of acknowledging that in Paul's case, the polls may be very inaccurate. They are saying the same for Obama too.
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> Paul isn't getting the sort of coverage Huck and Mitt are, though he is getting positive bits and blurbs here and there.
I suspect this is the medias way of creating an "out" should Paul do well: "See, we told you he might do much better than expected."
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the MSM hates Ron Paul and Fred Thompson.
Huck was the medias favorite (because they know he's an idiot and will not beat the Dem candidate).
now that hucks imploding the MSM is jumping on the McCain bandwagon....(because they know he's a nut case and will not beat the Dem candidate)
Maybe when Fred places at least 3rd tonight in Iowa and Ron places at least 3rd in New Hampshire the MSM will start notice them......
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
#7827333 - 01/03/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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fireworks_god said: You'll have to ask zappa on that one. 
Just because I am overwhelmingly brilliant doesn't mean I'm pretentious. Quote:
Seriously though, no, not all of the time, but sometimes, although it probably isn't adviceable in the first place. Sometimes people tend to get heated in debate, especially if huge misconceptions of what one is saying are put forth.
What you have NOT contributed to the Ron Paul issue is debate. All you do is prattle on about how he is going to win. Soon you will be proven to be as irrelevant and out of touch as he is. Oh yeah, I forgot, Ron Paul touches little children inappropriately. That is about as substantive and serious as your blather about his chances.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7827419 - 01/03/08 01:13 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Where are your Predictions Zap???
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7827428 - 01/03/08 01:15 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: What you have NOT contributed to the Ron Paul issue is debate.
Proposing an alternate, dissenting viewpoint with justification and information to back it up, engaging in viewpoints that doubt my own is not debate?
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All you do is prattle on about how he is going to win.
Incorrect. I cite information that is easily obtained and put forth lines of reasoning assembled from this information. Feel free to continue this attempt to marginalize me - you aren't providing anything of substance and are simply playing into an expressed sentiment regarding my attitude, which, at worst, is nowhere near as zealous as your own.
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Soon you will be proven to be as irrelevant and out of touch as he is. Oh yeah, I forgot, Ron Paul touches little children inappropriately. That is about as substantive and serious as your blather about his chances.
Uh, no it isn't. Feel free to discredit any information I've put forth that I use to support my viewpoint, instead of making shit up and trying to fly some "this is just as baseless as what you say" strawman.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7827441 - 01/03/08 01:17 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: Maybe when Fred places at least 3rd tonight in Iowa and Ron places at least 3rd in New Hampshire the MSM will start notice them......
Fred Thompson would be a lot better candidate if he would have actually campaigned, and he probably receives more respect from Ron Paul supporters than any other candidate....
But it sounds like he's about ready to drop out of the whole thing. I'm hoping he'll hold on until after New Hampshire to keep John McCain from rising further... we need this race as split as we can for now....
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Gijith]
#7827443 - 01/03/08 01:18 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Republicans
Huckabee Paul Romney McCain Thompson Giuliani
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Obama Edwards Clinton Richardson Biden
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: mr_pat]
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
#7827456 - 01/03/08 01:22 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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yep, and IMO this has already been the most interesting election Ive followed so far.
My wife will not even let me talk about Iowa in the house anymore.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7827459 - 01/03/08 01:22 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Nowhere, they are both too close. Also almost meaningless. That these two twatwallader states that nobody lives in get all this attention and supposedly Set the Tone is utterly ludicrous and allows for virtually limitless blowhardery by pinhead pundits. That said, I see a McCain resurgence and Romney strength and Huckabee distraction. Giuliani has, wisely or not, opted not to fight battles he can't win. Thompson will have his appeal, I'm just not sure that he is perceived as serious enough. Dems? Obama Clinton Edwards. All almost tied and the order of no consequence. It's fucking Iowa, fer chrissakes, who gives a shit?
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7827481 - 01/03/08 01:28 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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i hear ya, but nobody who has ever finished worse than third in IOWA has gotten the nomination. ...
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
#7827487 - 01/03/08 01:30 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: What you have NOT contributed to the Ron Paul issue is debate.
Proposing an alternate, dissenting viewpoint with justification and information to back it up, engaging in viewpoints that doubt my own is not debate? 
Repeating delusional nonsense without backing it up while denying the validity of endless amounts of contradictory information is in fact NOT debate. Your only method of debate seems to be to deny the validity of almost every single poll. That is not debate, it is blather. Making stupid predictions is dangerous, I hope. Like I asked, if the moron doesn't come anywhere near a win in either state will you shut the fuck up? And admit your asshattery?
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7827492 - 01/03/08 01:32 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: i hear ya, but nobody who has ever finished worse than third in IOWA has gotten the nomination. ...
Interesting but meaningless. I do think the Republican nomination will most certainly not be decided by the primaries.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7827518 - 01/03/08 01:38 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: That these two twatwallader states that nobody lives in get all this attention and supposedly Set the Tone is utterly ludicrous and allows for virtually limitless blowhardery by pinhead pundits.
It also gives every candidate a good chance to campaign and reach the American people, instead of proposals I've heard of having the entire nation have their primaries and caucuses at once, ensuring only the rich elite have a chance of being president. The pinhead pundits enabling is a point well taken, but they are only given as much merit as people choose to give them. This race is proof enough that they don't really matter so much anymore.
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That said, I see a McCain resurgence and Romney strength and Huckabee distraction. Giuliani has, wisely or not, opted not to fight battles he can't win. Thompson will have his appeal, I'm just not sure that he is perceived as serious enough.
Good perceptions, although I doubt Romney's strength and lean towards "not" for Giuliani. Thompson has given too much credit to the view that he is going to drop out to receive much support.
You seem opposed to putting any stock in Paul, I am the anti-thesis to that, but I really do sense a perfect storm for him if everything sails along.
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Dems? Obama Clinton Edwards. All almost tied and the order of no consequence. It's fucking Iowa, fer chrissakes, who gives a shit?
I'm hoping Clinton takes Obama out, because he'll pose much more threat to Ron Paul in a general election than Clinton will, as he plays to the same demographics as Ron Paul, and his support is likely below the register as well.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
#7827528 - 01/03/08 01:41 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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I doubt anyone on the Democratic side is going to be "knocked out" after Iowa, except for those who are already out for all intents and purposes. (Dodd/Biden)
At any rate, things will be close enough that all of the big three will be on the next rounds...
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7827547 - 01/03/08 01:46 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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IMO both the parties nominations could very well end in Brokered Conventions.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7827555 - 01/03/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Repeating delusional nonsense without backing it up while denying the validity of endless amounts of contradictory information is in fact NOT debate.
I've backed it up; you simply do not put the same merit into what I've backed it up with. Seems pretty commonplace in a debate.
Endless amounts of contradictory information? I haven't seen it put forth yet.
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Your only method of debate seems to be to deny the validity of almost every single poll. That is not debate, it is blather.
I don't deny the validity of every single poll. I think that the nature of the polls are such that they are inherently incapable of registering Ron Paul's support. This is a common view, recognized in the mainstream media, even. It is based in fact - the only question is to which extent his support is not represented.
You seem to hail the objective supremacy of polls, I do not. This doesn't mean I'm not engaging in debate. What you are proposing is no different than a Christian discounting the dissent of another because they don't hold the Bible up as objective truth. What you are proposing is pretty damn dubious.
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Making stupid predictions is dangerous, I hope.
McDanger is my last name.
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Like I asked, if the moron doesn't come anywhere near a win in either state will you shut the fuck up? And admit your asshattery?
I already said that it goes without saying.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
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Other thread, I hadn't yet seen the answer. And to this I shout out Hallelujah.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
#7827575 - 01/03/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Ive always thought the polls were full of shit until 2006. (Dem's took house and senate)
but its been two years of eating crow and now i believe the polls are full of shit again!!!!!!
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7827601 - 01/03/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/03/mccain-irked-by-ron-paul_n_79576.html
Marc Cooper The Huffington Post McCain Irked By Ron Paul the Spoiler January 3, 2008 03:08 PM
Des Moines, Iowa - GOP presidential candidate John McCain is deeply worried that his resurgent national campaign may be stalled by a relatively strong showing in tonight's Iowa caucuses by the iconoclastic Ron Paul.
The Arizona senator's campaign told the HuffPost that their candidate is concerned that Paul will finish third behind front-runners Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney.
McCain, whose campaign floundered earlier in the year, has been showing renewed strength in the battle to win the key New Hampshire primary next week. His national numbers have also been rising and one respected poll now has him in first place..
The McCain campaign also gives former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, currently leading the Iowa Republican polls, little chance of surviving New Hampshire even if he scores a clear victory in tonight's caucuses. The fight for the GOP nomination, McCain strategists believe, should be a head-to-head showdown between McCain and Mitt Romney.
A strong showing by Paul tonight could severely damage McCain's overall strategy. McCain is said to be especially irked because the outsider campaign of the Texas Congressman is given little viability on a national scale. But Paul raised $20 million from his fervent supporters in the last quarter of 2007, enough money to act as a spoiler for more mainstream candidates like McCain.
"Ron Paul's like the Joker in a poker game," said one McCain staffer. Paul reportedly dropped three mailers overnight and kicked his phone banks into turbo-mode in an all-out push to make into the final tier of tonight's winners.
Both McCain and Paul are currently tied at about 10% in most polls of likely Iowa caucus-goers. McCain has not actively campaigned in Iowa and skipped last summer's Republican Straw Poll. His visit to the state today just hours before the caucuses was one of his rare campaign trips here.
As Paul greeted his volunteers this morning at his downtown headquarters, the HuffPost asked for the candidate's reaction to McCain's anger: "I'm excited he's so upset about me."
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I feel bad for Saigon John.
I honestly feel that he'd do very well in a general election against any Democrat in any year. But he just cannot get past these primaries. I understand that most of the Republicans think that he's a liberal in conservatives clothing, but whatever you think about the man, he has character. Can you really say that about any of these other moolakhs?
He has to be wondering when he'll get his shot, but if it doesn't happen this year I dont see it happening at all.
Saigon John and Colin Powell are the only two Republicans I could ever see myself voting for, and I'll likely never get the chance to vote for either of them.
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when do we find out the results tonight? i cant wait!
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
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I was curious about that too.
With the way this democratic caucus is set up, I cant imagine that results will come in very fast...
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Madtowntripper]
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thats some crazy peer pressure shit the Dem's do.
The democrats require a 15% threshold for a candidate or else he/she gets no votes in that caucus. You assembly in groups according to your candidate preference and if your group doesn’t meet the threshold number you have to decide which group to align with...
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
#7827670 - 01/03/08 02:20 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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I think that the nature of the polls are such that they are inherently incapable of registering Ron Paul's support.
I am curious what the basis is for your claim. Do you think Paul's supporters when answering pollster's calls are sandbagging by lying and saying they are really supporting another candidate?
How are you able to locate this phantom support when no one else can?
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zorbman]
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From what I can glean from his incredibly verbose ramblings, he feels that since most of the polls are calling people who have voted in previous caucus' to see how they will vote in the next one, and most of the people who support Ron Paul are first-time caucusers, this means that there is some vast undercurrent of uncounted RP votes.
But seriously, the guy is polling in the single digits. I am perfectly willing to admit that there are some uncounted RP votes, but 40%?
No fucking way.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zorbman]
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> I am curious what the basis is for your claim.
I think he is polling at least 8% shy of actual numbers. There are various factors at play. Some may matter more than others, but I think all of the following add up: 1) His support comes from a lot of first time voters. These people won't be called in most polls. 2) His support is very modern/young and digital. Polls do not call cell phones. 3) Many of his supporters are crossing party lines. Polls usually do not call these people. 4) His supports have proven to be extremely motivated and tenacious. They are going to vote in mass, no mater what, to make certain they are heard. 5) There are a lot of undecided voters. Many people claim to be undecided to avoid the "stigma" of being a Paul supporter. 6) There are many examples of poor/misleading polling where Ron Paul isn't an option, or is grouped as "other". 7) The media has been intentionally down playing Ron Paul's support. Because of this, any numbers released for Paul tend to be worse case.
Paul at 9% plus my 8% fudge factor gives 17% minimum, assuming my fudge factor is correct.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Seuss]
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we will know at 8pm central time, unless the turnout is large and crazy.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Nowhere, they are both too close. Also almost meaningless. That these two twatwallader states that nobody lives in get all this attention and supposedly Set the Tone is utterly ludicrous and allows for virtually limitless blowhardery by pinhead pundits. That said, I see a McCain resurgence and Romney strength and Huckabee distraction. Giuliani has, wisely or not, opted not to fight battles he can't win. Thompson will have his appeal, I'm just not sure that he is perceived as serious enough. Dems? Obama Clinton Edwards. All almost tied and the order of no consequence. It's fucking Iowa, fer chrissakes, who gives a shit?
Since 1928 the winner of Iowa has gotten the nomination every time except twice (with Buchanan and McCain)
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: discombobulate]
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I'm pretty sure that's wrong.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Gijith]
#7828255 - 01/03/08 04:30 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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I read somewhere that only the top three finishers remain viable contenders after caucus night...
but i don't see Thompson or Paul dropping out if they don't place in the top three like the media/polls are predicting.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7828304 - 01/03/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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The doors will close at 7 CST and I'd have to imagine we'll have the results in by 8. This website here should be the one we are all glued to. http://www.iowagop.net/ Each precinct will be posted as the results come in.
The voting process is pretty cool and should work well to avoid fraud. The votes will be counted in each precinct and then the number will be announced there, and it will be easy for people there to verify that it was done accurately. That number is submitted into their central system and then it is released and we should all know.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Madtowntripper said: I understand that most of the Republicans think that he's a liberal in conservatives clothing, but whatever you think about the man, he has character. Can you really say that about any of these other moolakhs?
Ron Paul has far more character, political experience, and intellectual understanding of reality than any other candidate. The man lives and breathes character.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
#7828324 - 01/03/08 04:50 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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fireworks_god said: The doors will close at 7 CST and I'd have to imagine we'll have the results in by 8. This website here should be the one we are all glued to. http://www.iowagop.net/ Each precinct will be posted as the results come in.
The voting process is pretty cool and should work well to avoid fraud. The votes will be counted in each precinct and then the number will be announced there, and it will be easy for people there to verify that it was done accurately. That number is submitted into their central system and then it is released and we should all know.
good find!
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7828371 - 01/03/08 05:03 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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I definitely see Thompson dropping out before February. But then most of my predictions have been wrong lately.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Gijith]
#7828407 - 01/03/08 05:14 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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i hope u are wrong again. because if the top three tonight are Huck, Rom, and Mcinsane i will leave the Rep party.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7828587 - 01/03/08 06:10 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Fox news has reported extra high turnout. IMO high turnout could help Ron Paul and Obama.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7828702 - 01/03/08 06:33 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Fox news early entrance POlls
Huck 33% Rom 23% Fred 15%
Obama 33% Clinton 27% Edwards 21%
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7828782 - 01/03/08 06:43 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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early real vote
Huck 33% Rom 23% Fred 18%
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7828810 - 01/03/08 06:48 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Ron Paul and McCain both at 11% early.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7828952 - 01/03/08 07:04 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Drudge is reporting results
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RESULTS: Clinton 32; Obama 31; Edwards 34 Huckabee 33; Romney 24 McCain 11 Paul 0; Thompson 17 Giuliani 0
That's what he calls them so I have no reason to believe otherwise but the math doesn't exactly seem right for the Rs.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7828983 - 01/03/08 07:07 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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lets just hope Huckabee is a one state candidate!
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7829023 - 01/03/08 07:13 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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That moron has no shot in any state with a literacy rate above .1. The shudder mainstreams would love to see him as the nominee because even a staunch nazi such as myself wouldn't vote for him but he really has about a little better chance than the Rontard. Once we get these two retard states behind us the score will start counting. Which is as it should be.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7829067 - 01/03/08 07:18 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Update on Drudge
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RESULTS: Obama 34.52; Edwards 31.61; Clinton 31.13 Huckabee 35; Romney 24; Thompson 14; McCain 12
Math is making better sense. Kind of a tough hit for McCain and a big up for Fred. Mostly nothing though.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7829128 - 01/03/08 07:27 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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yep
bad news for Clinton though, how much money did that 3rd place cost her?
(same with Romney)
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7829161 - 01/03/08 07:33 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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All Mainstream Media is reporting that Hillary's campaign is still alive with a strong 3rd place showing.
On the Republican side, every other candidate except Huckabee should commit suicide and give up right now.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7829178 - 01/03/08 07:36 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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I don't see that as a loss for Romney. Like I said, Huckabee is a tard vote and will mean nothing in the end. All 3 Dems were essentially tied, so there is no there there either. McCain could have hoped for better and Fred did well. Rudy didn't campaign in corn country and Stupid apparently couldn't buy any votes with all the virtual bucks he allegedly raised on Guy Fawkes day. Oh darn.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7829180 - 01/03/08 07:37 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Obama v Huckabee? What terrible names.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7829196 - 01/03/08 07:38 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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u have to give Ron Paul a little cred if he finishes with 10%.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Gijith]
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Gijith said: Obama v Huckabee? What terrible names.
RIGHT
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7829232 - 01/03/08 07:43 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Iowa.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: fireworks_god]
#7829246 - 01/03/08 07:45 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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On to New Hampsha!
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Gijith]
#7829254 - 01/03/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Relax, grasshopper, this game is a long way away from the pinnacle of strangeness it is about to become. That stupid cocksucking pussy Thompson could have had a field day with this. Call Jann Wenner and Owsley and tell them I'm available. "Bat country my ass, we're into primordial American viciousness not seen since Jefferson jailed Burr."
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7829266 - 01/03/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: u have to give Ron Paul a little cred if he finishes with 10%.
I'm looking, where do you see that?
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7829306 - 01/03/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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CNN is reporting Paul with 10%. Let me dig up a link since I'm watching it on tv.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7829316 - 01/03/08 08:01 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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http://www.smallgovtimes.com/story/08jan03.paul.iowa/index.html
Paul get double digits in Iowa
SOUTHERN ARIZONA (SGT NEWS) - Billed as the fringe candidate, Texas representative and presidential candidate Ron Paul garnered just over 10% of the vote during the Iowa caucuses Thursday night, with results still filtering in.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Redstorm]
#7829319 - 01/03/08 08:02 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Paul with 10%:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA
I'm going to agree with you and say that this doesn't mean much for either party. Huckabee won't do anything in states without a Evangelical infestation, Giuliani didn't give a shit to begin with, and the three Dems just proved that they're in a close race.
The only statement that I think was made it that Obama can do well even with inbred rednecks.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Redstorm]
#7829346 - 01/03/08 08:08 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Redstorm said:
The only statement that I think was made it that Obama can do well even with inbred rednecks.
i find it fascinating that Obama could do so well in a state with 95% white people.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7829354 - 01/03/08 08:10 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Which just goes to show what heinous bilge his competition is.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7829427 - 01/03/08 08:26 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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We could end up with a black liberal versus a Christian liberal.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7829442 - 01/03/08 08:27 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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No.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: zappaisgod]
#7829463 - 01/03/08 08:35 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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It's gonna be Obama-Edwards, just like I've been saying since last year. There's no way if Obama wins that he'll take Hillary in. there's too much bad blood there.
I still think Dean should have run, though.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: lonestar2004]
#7829464 - 01/03/08 08:35 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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I'm too lazy to look. Did any of us get the order right?
NYTimes reporting McCain tied for 3rd.
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Gijith]
#7829477 - 01/03/08 08:38 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Still very close
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Gijith]
#7829754 - 01/03/08 09:42 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Paul in double digits... awesome
I'm all for the protest vote, democracy in action.
I'm voting ron paul as a protest vote against zappa, haha
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Gijith]
#7829800 - 01/03/08 09:51 PM (16 years, 29 days ago) |
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Gijith said: I'm too lazy to look. Did any of us get the order right?
NYTimes reporting McCain tied for 3rd.
maybe you are right (a tie at 13%) fucking MSM is only talking about McInsane surge. nothing about Fred's upset/tie or that Ron Paul got 10% only 3% less than McInsane....
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Redstorm]
#7831931 - 01/04/08 01:26 PM (16 years, 28 days ago) |
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Redstorm said: It's gonna be Obama-Edwards, just like I've been saying since last year. There's no way if Obama wins that he'll take Hillary in. there's too much bad blood there.
My mom is convinced it's going to be Obama-Oprah.
What can you say...
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Re: Predictions for the Iowa primary [Re: Madtowntripper]
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