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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: LtLurker]
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LtLurker said:
Just saw your RW's on a vendor site for the first time. Being sold under the name "Mr. X". That's neat. Not really a fan of the name & story changing though.



Sponsor or just a random vendor? Mr. X. Lol. How do you know its RW? I'll have to look into that too. Would love to buy a print

I think vendors in general just make up stories. Like how TC "turns ladies on". Jeez, yes, not any other cubensis, but this classic cube from florida is SOOO Sexy, thats why it colonizes slow. To put on a little tease. And every here and there you get a white penis. B+ should be the one that, ahem, ladies love, lol. Someone needs to cross some giant B+ with PE and get some real Mandingo strain going (i bet it would sell lol)

Really i do see differences between some classic cubes, like say, Cambodian vs Mazapatec. I think it mostly has to do with where they were found in the world. But AFAIK, every cambodian starts off with fat red pins and has a pretty distinct look, and all the Maz ive ever worked with is smaller but prolific, i get a few giants on flush 2 but mostly theyre on the small side. Potent though, the last plates, and when i did MS. For sure the most prolific strain ive ever seen was Chile, dense like a forest. And i dont think its too domesticated. Also the slowest growing strain ive ever seen besides pe


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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: Fractal420]
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i know the mr x and its not RW its a dutch creation and a cross off moby dick and CRS.

very similar but different and came out quite abit before RW.
recently been lots new ones over this way.

tidalwave
aztec god
ecbrains
willmex
cambodia gold
moby dick
golden mammoth ect

breeding cubes has been going on for years here

Edited by mustangbob3 (10/09/18 09:24 AM)

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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: Yesum]
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Yesum said:
Hard to follow after liloldme but I'm starting to see primordia. Lots of it. :dancer:




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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: Crispykoot]
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It's a sponsor selling kits of it only. I think it's pretty unlikely they happened to get the same cross at the same time. They could have simply started their site post before these were fully released. Pasty did say he was in communication with vendors about these. The site owner could have been part of the project before this thread and public release.

RW's are CRS X AA+
These "Mr. X" are CRS X "Moby Dick"

When you poke around the site it looks like this vendor is just renaming varieties, not "breeding new ones". There's only 1 recognizable variety on the entire site and that's gt, the rest are supposedly unique to the vendor.

I can't share the links here for obvious reasons. If anyone wants a peek at the links pm for them I guess.

Edited by LtLurker (10/09/18 12:54 PM)

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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: LtLurker]
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The renaming of cubes is a huge problem outside of sponsors. Everyobe wants to be responsible for something "new" without putting in the work


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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: LtLurker]
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LtLurker said:
It's a sponsor selling kits of it only. I think it's pretty unlikely they happened to get the same cross at the same time. They could have simply started their site post before these were fully released. Pasty did say he was in communication with vendors about these. The site owner could have been part of the project before this thread and public release.

RW's are CRS X AA+
These "Mr. X" are CRS X "Moby Dick"

When you poke around the site it looks like this vendor is just renaming varieties, not "breeding new ones". There's only 1 recognizable variety on the entire site and that's gt, the rest are supposedly unique to the vendor.

I can't share the links here for obvious reasons. If anyone wants a peek at the links pm for them I guess.



i can assure u they not just renamed cubes, most dutch headshops carry these and i have grown them out and they are mostly unique cubes with there own traits that define them, some have been round for years.

i know several sponsors that stock these and they all originate from a company called MushMush.

for example moby dick is an aa+ cross and is clearly not aa+ it grows much different and lacks the normal nipple cap that aa+ is known for and grows fatter and denser fruits, grow side by side and its obvious its not just aa+ renamed.

moby dick is a cross of aa+ and gt
i grew it when it first came out and wasnt fully stable and produced the odd  normal colour fruit but now is stable and only leucistic.

heres a pic of moby dick from one of the sponsors.



the fact it grows different to aa+ and its unstable nature in the past it can only be a cross or where does the unstable odd normal fruit come from? aa+ is homozygous to the leucistic trait so it isnt aa+
its just not possible


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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Exactly, when I browse the site it's reminiscent of everything I've heard about The Keeper from back in the day, and still see on some of the vendors around the internet.

If someone wants to cross something up and name it, fine more power to'em. I'm not buying that a vendor site has almost all home made crosses that are identical in pheno to the regular varieties on the majority of vendors. Some of the names are even similar enough to guess what it was. It's clearly a marketing thing imo.

mustangbob3 said:
for example moby dick is an aa+ cross and is clearly not aa+ it grows much different and lacks the normal nipple cap that aa+ is known for and grows fatter and denser fruits, grow side by side and its obvious its not just aa+ renamed.



Sounds like LOI (or possibly LGT). As far as the parentage for "MR.X" he could simply be substituting a white variety he named for the AA+ and not being accurate.

To respond to the edit without posting again: Any stable leucistic will put out some normal fruits time to time. But if what you're saying is accurate, then this person is knowingly sending out unstable crosses instead of finishing them. That doesn't exactly sound good either.

Edited by LtLurker (10/09/18 01:33 PM)

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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: LtLurker]
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LtLurker said:
Exactly, when I browse the site it's reminiscent of everything I've heard about The Keeper from back in the day, and still see on some of the vendors around the internet.

If someone wants to cross something up and name it, fine more power to'em. I'm not buying that a vendor site has almost all home made crosses that are identical in pheno to the regular varieties on the majority of vendors. Some of the names are even similar enough to guess what it was. It's clearly a marketing thing imo.

mustangbob3 said:
for example moby dick is an aa+ cross and is clearly not aa+ it grows much different and lacks the normal nipple cap that aa+ is known for and grows fatter and denser fruits, grow side by side and its obvious its not just aa+ renamed.



Sounds like LOI (or possibly LGT). As far as the parentage for "MR.X" he could simply be substituting a white variety he named for the AA+ and not being accurate.



it was out years before LGT was around

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To respond to the edit without posting again: Any stable leucistic will put out some normal fruits time to time. But if what you're saying is accurate, then this person is knowingly sending out unstable crosses instead of finishing them. That doesn't exactly sound good either.




i agree it should been more stable and i have no vested interest in that company but the facts are they are crosses and been around years and im not going lie to stroke ur egos and supposed scenarios that are not based on fact but ur own imaginings

and tell me how a homozygous luecistic strain can throw a none luecy fruit?

thats aload of crap,

if its homozygous all spores carry the allele for leucism at the same loci so can only make leucistic fruit

genetics man its not possible ur talking out ur ass.

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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: mustangbob3]
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It happens once in a while from genetics or it can be cause by conditions i really dunno. I just had nearly 2 entire GATZ tubs a few months back be non lucy. If you search every now and then you'll see someone with AA+ get a non lucy batch and asking "wtf happened?". It's not bullshit just look.
Found a little example:
bodhisatta said:
When aa+ is grown in conditions that kinda suck they sometimes put out normal shrooms


In fact the only time I can recall seeing normal caps come out of aa+ is on grows that are doing sad.



I don't care that much about the vendor. I brought it up originally cause I thought it was neat seeing RW's around. I absolutely could be wrong, but I just wasn't buying it's a coincidence.

*the example came in late after your post but I'm not gonna continue to argue this here. I feel like we've been in an off point discussion long enough. I just clearly stated why I originally brought this up and how I could be wrong.

Edited by LtLurker (10/09/18 02:03 PM)

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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: LtLurker]
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It happens once in a while from genetics or it can be cause by conditions i really dunno. I just had nearly 2 entire GATZ tubs a few months back be non lucy. If you search every now and then you'll see someone with AA+ get a non lucy batch and asking "wtf happened?". It's not bullshit just look




must be amix up with syringes.
u cant rewrite bloody science to suit what u want.
its IMPOSSIBLE for a HOMOZYGOUS luecistic variety to make anything other than lucistic fruits and if happens means thers been cross contamination in a previous grow or simply the wrong syringe sent.

its not possible to take a homozygous variety and change its phenotype or genotype concerning them alleles. genetics is the same in humans, plant and fungi its all dna.

go look it up bro and do the punnet squares and u will prove to urself its not possible


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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: mustangbob3]
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Recessive mutation back to typical cube pheno


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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: Caps McGee]
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Caps McGee said:
Recessive mutation back to typical cube pheno




how can that happen if the locus position is already accompanied by the alleles for luecism, if these alleles wasnt present it would never been homozygous now would it

where would this recessive info come from? if the only coding on the dna at the loci is the alleles for luecism where can this NEW recessive traits info come from as the loci position already taken up and for it to change the genotype it must occupy the same loci point or the luecism will take dominance only was round it is mutation as it gives three phenotype options


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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: mustangbob3]
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Luecism is a  mutation to start with..  not saying it's common, but bound to be possible


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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: Caps McGee]
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^

Itโ€™s very very possible but not probable.

Depending on what the mutation is that causes leucistic fruits, you can have mutations arise that cause WT pheno.

Imagine the mutation is an insertion of a single nucleotide in a coding gene for pigment, the frameshift causes the mutation; however, if one of the As were removed by mutation than it would revert back to WT at that allele


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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: Caps McGee]
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leusism is a recessive trait and thats beside the point and if u say its amutation where are the other phenos as mutations are alwasyt dominant or codominant or recessive to the normal allele so you will never get 1 phenotype

Mutant gene is dominant to normal gene > Full mutant phenotype & Normal phenotype


Mutant gene is recessive to normal gene> Full mutant phenotype & Normal phenotype

Mutant gene is codominant* to normal gene>Full mutant phenotype &Phenotype different from the other two & Normal phenotype

if its a mutation they are the posibilities

if mutation is dominant >two mutant genes makes a full mutant
mutant paired with a normal gene makes full mutant
2 normal genes makes a normal

if mutation is recessive>
two mutant genes makes a full mutant
1 mutant gen and 1 normal makes a normal
2 normal makes a normal

if mutation is co-dominant to normal gene>
2 mutants make a full mutant
1 mutant gene and 1 normal makes a seperate third combined phenotype
2 normal genes makes a normal

u say leucism is a recessive mutation, then there will always be 2 pheno types possible  and you would never have a homozygous leucistic variety




Edited by mustangbob3 (10/09/18 02:17 PM)

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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: mustangbob3]
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You can have differences within the strains making up a tub or fruitbody even, itโ€™s not impossible to think of a spontaneous reversion to WT in some subset of genetics.

Again this depends on the mutation causing leucistic fruits. If itโ€™s a large deletion or something than there is pretty much zero chance of getting color back, but if itโ€™s a frameshift than it could spontaneously revert


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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: Pastywhyte]
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I feel like I'm about to graduate by finally getting one of these prints.
It's coming from Fucking Austria so just a bit more waiting.


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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: mustangbob3]
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mustangbob3 said:
Caps McGee said:
Recessive mutation back to typical cube pheno




how can that happen if the locus position is already accompanied by the alleles for luecism, if these alleles wasnt present it would never been homozygous now would it

where would this recessive info come from? if the only coding on the dna at the loci is the alleles for luecism where can this NEW recessive traits info come from as the loci position already taken up and for it to change the genotype it must occupy the same loci point or the luecism will take dominance only was round it is mutation as it gives three phenotype options




Two homozygous varieties with the same mutant phenotype can produce offspring that exhibit the wild type phenotype.


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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: Noccer]
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Noccer said:
I feel like I'm about to graduate by finally getting one of these prints.
It's coming from Fucking Austria so just a bit more waiting.



Some have been editing years for these... I figure impatience coming into it now a little off... though I got lucky in the first giveaway lol


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Re: The official RustyWhyte grow along [Re: lewp]
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mustangbob3 said:
leusism is a recessive trait and thats beside the point and if u say its amutation where are the other phenos as mutations are alwasyt dominant or codominant or recessive to the normal allele so you will never get 1 phenotype

Mutant gene is dominant to normal gene > Full mutant phenotype & Normal phenotype


Mutant gene is recessive to normal gene> Full mutant phenotype & Normal phenotype

Mutant gene is codominant* to normal gene>Full mutant phenotype &Phenotype different from the other two & Normal phenotype

if its a mutation they are the posibilities

if mutation is dominant >two mutant genes makes a full mutant
mutant paired with a normal gene makes full mutant
2 normal genes makes a normal

if mutation is recessive>
two mutant genes makes a full mutant
1 mutant gen and 1 normal makes a normal
2 normal makes a normal

if mutation is co-dominant to normal gene>
2 mutants make a full mutant
1 mutant gene and 1 normal makes a seperate third combined phenotype
2 normal genes makes a normal

u say leucism is a recessive mutation, then there will always be 2 pheno types possible  and you would never have a homozygous leucistic variety







read and do the working out geez u guys are hard work lol

if u breed for leucism and yu select the none normals, i.e the full mutants,
these will have the mutation set at the loci on both pairs and any offspring will be homozygous to the trait.

the only way u get reversion is if u had selected the pair that has one mutant gene and one normal then all offspring will be a mix of 3 phenotypes and that the only way a luecistic fruit can make a normal fruit


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