birdeatingspider said:

a third principle to remember in analyzing public health gun violence research:

* The right to self-defense does not depend on statistics and numbers.

Doherty makes an important point about the ultimate relevance of any such research studies: “However large the number of DGUs, or how small; and however large the number of accidents or tragedies caused by guns, or how small, the right and ability to choose for yourself how to defend yourself and your family — at home or away from it — remains, and that numerical debate should have no particular bearing on it.”

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

if you own a gun for self defense, that gun is at least four times more likely to be used in an accidental shooting than it is to be used in self defense.

I'm not against guns; I even own one.  But I'm ok with regulations that make the public a little safer from gun violence, just like I'm ok with regulations that make the public a little safer from car accidents.

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xbloodwhipx said:

Kryptos said:

xbloodwhipx said:

You don't even know what you are talking about lmfao don't even reply to me.

Im glad someone agrees with me though, so thanks

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Oh? Inconvenient truth much?

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No, you literally agreed with me and still don't realize it.

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birdeatingspider said:
a third principle to remember in analyzing public health gun violence research:

* The right to self-defense does not depend on statistics and numbers.

Doherty makes an important point about the ultimate relevance of any such research studies: “However large the number of DGUs, or how small; and however large the number of accidents or tragedies caused by guns, or how small, the right and ability to choose for yourself how to defend yourself and your family — at home or away from it — remains, and that numerical debate should have no particular bearing on it.”

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koods said:

Here's a number 750,000.

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I have another one. 14,000,000 people consider themselves members of the NRA

Who would have guessed people don't want to limit their own rights?

koods said:

Here's a number 750,000.

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Seriously_trippin said:

...miss and hit nearby victims and fail to kill the shooter or be confused for the shooter when the police arrive?

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Glockshooter said:

koods said:

Here's a number 750,000.

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I'm still waiting for you to show me where there are more deaths from guns than defensive uses.  I even quoted a study heavily criticized for under representing the numbers.  It was criticized enough that even the CDC wouldn't acknowledge it.  I agree with what was said before though.  This is about protecting against tyranny more than anything.

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austothehun said:

... 14,000,000 people consider themselves members of the NRA...

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That's funny, the NRA on their own web site claim to have about 9 million less members than your made up number.
Must be all those millions of illegals who voted for Clinton signed up for the NRA too.

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...the NRA, on its website, currently reports having “nearly five million members.”

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/fact-check-have-millions-joined-the-nra-since-the-parkland-shooting/article/2011755

The NRA should lose it's tax-exempt nonprofit organization status too.

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vinsue said:

That's funny, the NRA on their own web site claim to have about 9 million less members than your made up number.

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austothehun said:

koods said:

Here's a number 750,000.

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I have another one. 14,000,000 people consider themselves members of the NRA

Who would have guessed people don't want to limit their own rights?

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The NRA has 4 million members. That's 1.5% of the us population. The country has seen first hand the incompetence of the American right. 10 months you have no power. 2 years and the liberals run everything. GOP gerrymandering is being dismantled as we speak. The government of the US will soon reflect the wishes of the liberal majority.

austothehun said:

vinsue said:

That's funny, the NRA on their own web site claim to have about 9 million less members than your made up number.

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Those are people who pay membership fees. Pew reports that 14% of gun owners identify as NRA members which would be 14 million.

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koods said:

that sounds as useless as prayers and wishes

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Kryptos said:

Show me where I agreed with you. Or sit and laugh in your ivory tower, if you're worried that showing me where I agreed with you might lead to me clarifying what you misread.

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Kryptos said:

xbloodwhipx said:

And, guns will always fucking exist, its a fact of life. They need to remain legal because criminals who intend to shoot you will always own a gun, and its nice to have a way to legally defend yourself.

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Making drugs illegal makes them go away, making gays illegal makes them go away, making immigrants illegal makes them go away, but making guns illegal...doesn't? Republican logic!

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