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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: gun control [Re: Starter]
    #1976290 - 10/03/03 02:46 PM (17 years, 22 days ago)

Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the six Australian states.

Ouch!

If you would like to see your source -- a chain letter

That had to hurt  :smirk:


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Re: gun control [Re: Starter]
    #1976363 - 10/03/03 03:10 PM (17 years, 22 days ago)

my stats are from 99 your are from 98 and before


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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1976368 - 10/03/03 03:11 PM (17 years, 22 days ago)

It's from a chain letter tho?


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Re: gun control [Re: Xlea321]
    #1976453 - 10/03/03 03:36 PM (17 years, 22 days ago)

not that I'm aware of.


I'll search to find who exactly made these stats
not who is reporting them.


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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1976499 - 10/03/03 03:54 PM (17 years, 22 days ago)

>>>I'll search to find who exactly made these stats

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html

Read the chain letter (which is the *source*) in the link ^above. At the same link you'll read this...

"1999 - 14 (17.6% decrease from 1998 to 1999)."

...so much for not 1999 eh. Gets beter, that's 14 in a whole state, the 2nd most populated state of Oz and the article goes on and says...

"Regardless, in the United States - where most major cities have 7-14 homicides in a month - we would kill (pun intended) for crime rates that low."

Yep, an American site undressing the spin. So I can't be accussed of bias. I think quit while behind and best hope the rest of the other nations info wasn't *sourced* similar?


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Re: gun control [Re: Starter]
    #1977983 - 10/04/03 02:05 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

Have any of you gun advocates used your gun to save a life (At home in America, not at war)?

Have any of you advocates seen someone hurt or killed by a gun (OK... now war can count)?

I don't know. All this gun talk is driving me crazy. Freedom! The right to bear arms... bla... bla... bla...

...and now for something completely different!

I smoke cigarettes and every time I've moved to a new state, they outlaw smoking in bars and resturaunts a year or two after I arive. Every time this happens, I hear the same bitches and moans from my fellow smokers (especially at bars!). Smokers feal like a right had been taken away when they were banned from smoking. They have had their rights taken away. But it isn't the end of the world. What? Do they realy think America is a free country? Hahaha...haha...ha...

Why don't Americans have hash bars :bong:? Why can't Americans grow psylocybes ? Why no acid or extacy :pill:? Come on... there's more logic behind gun control than drug control. Guns have been used to kill innocent victims. Drugs have been used to make innocent victims horny.

But back to cigarettes :spliff:... the simple fact is, smoke can bother and physically harm everybody who breathes it. Non smokers (especially employees of a smoke filled establishment) could suffer the same effects as a smoker would.

Guns are similar to cigarettes. They smoke, they kill and they sometimes claim innocent victims. If I can step outside and have a smoke, can't we all give up our semi automatic handguns and automatic weapons?

For those of you that insist on keeping guns for protection, can I suggest some Karate classes? The classes will, also, improve your psychadelic experience.  :mushroom2:  :ooo:


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Re: gun control [Re: Rose]
    #1977991 - 10/04/03 02:09 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

For those of you that insist on keeping guns for protection, can I suggest some Karate classes? The classes will, also, improve your psychadelic experience. 

:laugh:  :thumbup:


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Re: gun control [Re: Xlea321]
    #1978020 - 10/04/03 02:22 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

I've been a martial arts student on and off since the early 80s. Most serious self defense instructors I've had (as opposed to sport fighting) are also gun owners.

Don't bring chop-socky to a gunfight. Alex Gong found that out the hard way a couple of months ago, and he was damn near invincible in the Muay Thai ring.

Then again, don't bring most karate to a streetfight, either.


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Re: gun control [Re: wingnutx]
    #1978029 - 10/04/03 02:26 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

Fortunately, I've never been in a gunfight. You don't tend to see many guns in the UK. (Maybe because guns are controlled)


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Re: gun control [Re: Xlea321]
    #1978038 - 10/04/03 02:28 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

Don't bring it to a knife fight, either. If someone has a knife, shoot them or run. It's actually a lot easier to take a gun away from an assailant than a knife.


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Re: gun control [Re: wingnutx]
    #1978040 - 10/04/03 02:29 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

I don't know why people are in to military martial arts/self defense. It's really not that great. You don't need Kung-Fu and shit when you have grenades and machine guns (do they even use bayonettes anymore?)


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Re: gun control [Re: wingnutx]
    #1978044 - 10/04/03 02:30 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

Personally I'd rather take my chances against the knife.


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Re: gun control [Re: Xlea321]
    #1978052 - 10/04/03 02:34 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

It depends on the distance,skill of the attacker,etc.

I think I'd probably go with a knife too,but I'd rather get a clean shot in the head than get stabbed to death.


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Re: gun control [Re: monoamine]
    #1978053 - 10/04/03 02:34 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

Yes, they use bayonets sometimes. They are a great deterrent for crowd control.

Unarmed Combat is very important to learn if you are doing any sort of policing, especially weapons retention. Traditional martial arts arent very good for this, but modern 'scientific' ones are. Krav Maga and Jeet Kun Do are good examples, or Denfendu.

You are correct that the average infantryman will probably never use his hand-to-hand training, which is why most of them get very little of it. They are much better off using that training time on other things.


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Re: gun control [Re: monoamine]
    #1978055 - 10/04/03 02:34 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

Notice, Americans don't have grenade and machine gun control issues?

I'm talking about something more spiritual than Karate (I know... I said karate... don't hurt me!) like Shing-Yi, Tai-Chi or Bah-Ghua. Something that will teach you about balance, harmony, zen, killing.... and open your mind man...


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Re: gun control [Re: Xlea321]
    #1978063 - 10/04/03 02:38 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

Hey, it's your funeral. Ask any CQB instructor, or someone over on selfdefenseforums.com.

What kind of training do you have? I've been asking you that for like 2 months now.



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Re: gun control [Re: wingnutx]
    #1978074 - 10/04/03 02:41 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

The best defense is a cabin in North Dakota!


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Re: gun control [Re: wingnutx]
    #1978077 - 10/04/03 02:41 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

You'd rather fight someone who had a gun rather than a knife?


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Re: gun control [Re: Rose]
    #1978079 - 10/04/03 02:42 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

On second thought... I just saw "Fargo" again... watch for wood chippers.


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Re: gun control [Re: Xlea321]
    #1978101 - 10/04/03 02:49 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

If I was forced to try and take a wepon away from someone, then a gun is a lot easier than a knife at short distances. You just need to get the gun off-line, i.e. not pointed at you, and then it doesn't matter if it discharges. Also, if you have a good grip on it the slide cannot recoil, or the cylinder cannot rotate.

With a knife you can just try to absorb the damage with a non-vital part of your body and try to force the blade away while you inflict damage. You can't actually grab a knife, for obvious reasons.

If the guy with a knife is far away, say 30 feet or greater, then you can just run away. If someone is aiming a gun at you from more than 15 feet you are probably just fucked. Most robbers or rapists don't stay that far away, though.

Decades of police research has shown that the distance an average attacker can cover before being shot is 21 feet. If anyone pulls a knife on you at that range shoot them unless you can run.



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