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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #1243374 - 01/23/03 02:18 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)


For someone who continually says the gun ownership has nothing to do with his fear you sure sound paranoid.

Given the amount of crime and scumbags that are afoot in our society, a little
paranoia can be life-saving.

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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1243384 - 01/23/03 02:20 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Liberal Answer: "The odds of that happening are less that being struck by lightning (which is a fact), so I really shouldn't worry myself about this hypothetical situation."

Conservative Answer: "I'm so fucking paranoid that this could happen someday that I bought a gun which I carry with me."



I have friends born and raised in South Central Los Angeles. Not everyone has the good fortune to be born into a lilly white suburban neighborhood where people are usually respectful of property and life. They live where certain people will kill you just for looking at them. This is not an exageration, this is not paranoia, but reality.


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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: Evolving]
    #1243778 - 01/23/03 04:23 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

"They live where certain people will kill you just for looking at them. This is not an exageration, this is not paranoia, but reality."

Come on now, you think that's not an exaggeration??? Now that's paranoia to the extreme. I lived in LA for five years, and I worked with people who lived in South Central. I would ask them "aren't you scared to live there?", and their reply was "no, it's not bad at all except to people involved with gangs."


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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: GoBlue!]
    #1243910 - 01/23/03 05:09 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Two friends dead is not an exaggeration. I never said that they were scared to live there, but they were more realistic about the prospects of violence than some others appear to be. Being realistic is not being paranoid. Is it paranoid for a police officer to wear a gun? Is it paranoid for a doctor to wear gloves? Is it paranoid to want health insurance?


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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: chills420]
    #1244108 - 01/23/03 06:34 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Can you find something on how many of the guns that shot someone in a DD (domestic dispute ) were actually legaly owned by the shooter or by the person shot and how many were just a saturday night special bought illegaly?



What difference does it make? Shooting your wife is shooting your wife, whether or not the gun is legal.


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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #1244462 - 01/23/03 09:51 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm just gonna be happy I

don't
live in a society where we don't fear crazy men



It would seem you do fear proofreading your posts.

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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1244645 - 01/24/03 01:57 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Remember you do not just need a gun for protection from criminals. You also need to own guns for protection from the government. It is your responsibility to own a gun. Also, in most cases there is the "reasonable man" clause. And it means that any reasonable man would stop attacking you if you show them you have a gun.


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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: BowlKiller]
    #1244846 - 01/24/03 03:42 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah but we ain't gonna get far taking on an F-16 with a .38 special. We need anti-aircraft missile launchers not guns.


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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: Xlea321]
    #1245102 - 01/24/03 05:31 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

someone said i was a fucking dumbass about the mullah omar disarming ppl claim i made. well, i did a simple search on google and ill be damned if i couldnt find info on this within 5 entries. heres the site, which quotes off a boston globe article what happened. i encourage you to read it. and to that guy: suck my dick and let me nut in your cheek cunt.

www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel121701.shtml


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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: Sinistar]
    #1245195 - 01/24/03 06:02 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Fair enough but why is this replied to me? I can't remember anything about mullah omar??


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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: Xlea321]
    #1245199 - 01/24/03 06:04 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah but we ain't gonna get far taking on an F-16 with a .38 special. We need anti-aircraft missile launchers not guns.



How would F-16s be useful in a conflict without fronts, without borders, with no enemy encampments, with no marching army regiments, where you don't know if the man standing next to you on the bus is part of the resistence or not?


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Edited by Evolving (01/24/03 06:05 AM)

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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1245223 - 01/24/03 06:18 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Umm, I DON'T live in a society where people are so paranoid they carry guns around....
Your post has baffled me oh wise one, it seems to read how I intened it to.


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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: Evolving]
    #1245251 - 01/24/03 06:26 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

How would F-16s be useful in a conflict without fronts, without borders, with no enemy encampments

What hypothetical situation are you envisioning here? A tyrant has taken over the government. So what do the people of america who disagree with the tyrant do? How do they fight back in your theory? How do .38 specials help to bring down the tyrant or change his policies?


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: Xlea321]
    #1245502 - 01/24/03 08:10 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

It's a shame you aren't more imaginative. I can think of things that have happened all over the world in the form of clandestine operations, such as ambushes of high level personnel, distrupting communications and data handling infrastructure as well as assasinations. However, I would not advocate nor encourage any such behavior. It is best to crawl on your belly and lick the jack boots of your masters (I'm sure you would agree with me, it's better to live on knees than die on your feet, right Alex?).


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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #1245641 - 01/24/03 09:01 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Well here's what you posted....
"I'm just gonna be happy I don't live in a society where we don't fear crazy men with knives running at us I guess."

we DON'T live in a society where we DON'T fear? Perhaps what you mean is

"I'm just gonna be happy I live in a society where we don't fear crazy men with knives running at us I guess."

Or even this would have worked.....
"I'm just gonna be happy I don't live in a society where we fear crazy men with knives running at us I guess."

Notice the extra "don't" is missing?

So oh unwise one, perhaps Canadas schools need some help as well.

Or is it just you? :grin:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

Edited by luvdemshrooms (01/24/03 09:02 AM)

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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: Evolving]
    #1245665 - 01/24/03 09:12 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

It's a shame you aren't more imaginative

So you couldn't think of even a hypothetical situation where .38 specials would help bring down a government. As i expected...

distrupting communications and data handling infrastructure as well as assasinations.

We're talking about how you prevent a government with the full backing of the military and police carrying out whatever policies it desires. You stated .38 specials would help you. I asked you how.

Clearly this has stumped you.

The fact is of course that .38 specials would be of no use whatsoever. Hi-explosive, tanks, mortar, rocket-launchers along with people trained and tough enough to use them effectively would be a bare minimum. Rifles and 38 specials don't cut it. Ask the taliban.



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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: Xlea321]
    #1245822 - 01/24/03 10:14 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

So you couldn't think of even a hypothetical situation where .38 specials would help bring down a government. As i expected...




I did, too bad you have trouble with comprehending what you read. First off, it's obvious from your questions and responses that you know so little about arms and tactics that any attempt to explain things would fly so far over your head that it's like trying to explain physics to a hound dog. Most people today don't use .38 specials, but the possible scenarios I described could utilize small arms of that caliber. Fill in the blanks if you are able.

Quote:

The fact is of course that .38 specials would be of no use whatsoever. Hi-explosive, tanks, mortar, rocket-launchers along with people trained and tough enough to use them effectively would be a bare minimum. Rifles and 38 specials don't cut it. Ask the taliban.



Again, reading comprehension has eluded you. Comparing the U.S. government fighting the Taliban to domestic resistance is ignorant. These are two entirely different kinds of conflicts. One has well defined enemies and open warfare, the other is of insurgents, clandestine operations, and tactical moves that you obviously don't have the ability or desire to understand. Your knowledge of weapons (.38 specials, Hi-explosive???) strategy and tactics (using F16s, tanks & rocket launchers within areas where the opposing sides and non-combatants are co-mingled???) is not sufficiently developed enough for you to engage in an intelligent conversation on this topic.

I will again include a version of my peaceful coexistence with tyrrany disclaimer for you. I do not advocate nor encourage any resistence or defensive actions against my government, blind and total obedience is important to the welfare of society. It is best to crawl on your belly and lick the jack boots of your masters.

Alex, is it safe to say that you agree with me if I say that it's better to live on knees than die on your feet? Come on, admit it, you do.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

Edited by Evolving (01/24/03 10:21 AM)

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Re: For You Gun Haters [Re: Evolving]
    #1245839 - 01/24/03 10:24 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

First off, it's obvious from your questions and responses that you know so little about arms and tactics

Yawn..have you got your usual pompous burst of self-importance out of the way now?

the other is of insurgents, clandestine operations, and tactical moves that you obviously don't have the ability or desire to understand.

How large is this "clandestine" force of yours going to be? What if the tyrant has enormous support similar to Hitler? As your historical knowledge is so laughable you won't have heard of George Jackson, the Black Panthers, the red army faction or the red brigades. I can inform you that all these groups tried assassinations, bombings and "clandestine" operations. None of them ever came close to bringing down the government. They all ended up dead or in jail.

I repeat. How are handguns going to help bring down the government?

There appears to be no end to your stupidity.


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Who is the Militia? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1245907 - 01/24/03 11:08 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Like it or not, you are probably in a militia. Check your states Consititution. Mine says:

ARTICLE 12. Militia
Section 1. Composition
Section 1. A militia shall be provided and shall consist of all persons over the age of seventeen (17) years, except those persons who may be exempted by the laws of the United States or of this state. The militia may be divided into active and inactive classes and consist of such military organizations as may be provided by law.

Also check out these good links:
Militia: http://williamcooper.com/militia.htm
Right to Keep and Bear Arms: http://williamcooper.com/rightto.htm


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Re: Who is the Militia? [Re: kb73]
    #1245989 - 01/24/03 11:53 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Alpo doesn't have the good fortune to be from the US.


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