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I see...so because your first attempt to say drunk drivers killed more people than guns was shown to be nonsense, instead of accepting that you could be wrong, you have moved onto only those people "murdered" by guns to try and prove you were right?

the total killed by drunk driving is greater than the total killed by guns.

i'm more concerned with the total innocent victims killed though, which is an area i will certainly admit that guns have the upper hand. i claimed otherwise before because i misread the figures.

i did not post these figures about murder to prove anything except that your figures of between 30,000 to 40,000 were misleading, or at the very least were irrelevant to the topic of innocent victims, which, correct me if i'm wrong here, is what we're talking about.

it had nothing to do with our comparisons to drunk driving. i can admit i was mistaken.

The problem with this is that by any semblance of logic you would then have to compare that figure to those deliberately murdered by drunk drivers.

if one was to compare drunk driving deaths vs. gun deaths, yes, it would be correct to compare firearm-murder victims to innocent victims of drunk drivers.

but my point was not to make any such comparison. i am well aware, after having another look at the figures, that i misread them at first and that though drunk driving does kill more than guns do, it almost certainly claims fewer innocent victims.

i was not posting these figures as part of our discussion about drunk driving deaths vs. gun deaths. my above post contains not one reference to drunk driving.

I think you'll find the number of people deliberately murdered by drunk drivers to be very, very small (if indeed there are any). There is certainly no question whatsoever that the figure would be many thousands less than those murdered by guns.

correct. that goes without saying.

ok, so let's review what we know from the statistics: drunk driving kills more people per year than guns do, but almost half of all gun deaths are innocent victims, while not nearly as many innocent victims die as the result of drunk driving (this last part is only an assumption, but one i think we'll both agree is safe to make; we have no data here about innocent victims killed by drunk driving).

so as far as we should be concerned here, guns are more dangerous to innocent bystanders than drunk driving is. i was well aware of that before i made my last post.

glad we've got that settled. i thought we already had.

this drunk driving business has little to do with anything, which is why i'm finished with it, and was even before i made my previous post. i can name alot of things that kill more people than guns each year, and alot of things that kill less. so what?now if we can seperate ourselves from this little red herring and get back on topic, that'd be great.

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