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gun control
    #1975538 - 10/03/03 10:41 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

*Soviet Union established gun control in 1929. From 1929 to 1953, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

*Turkey established gun control in 1911. From 1915 to 1917 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

*China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1976 20 million Anti-Communists, Christians, political dissidents and pro-reform groups, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

*Germany established gun control in 1938. From 1939 to 1945 13 million Jews, Gypsies, mentally ill people and other "mongrelized peoples," unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

*Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

*Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

*Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977 1 million "educated people," unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and executed.

That amounts to more than 55 million innocent people who were slaughtered by their own governments - governments that had first rendered their citizens defenseless by restricting or confiscating their firearms.



A free man with a firearm has a fighting chance against any would-be gangster or criminal.

An unarmed man has no chance at all against an oppressive, tyrannical government.



Remember this the next time you hear the New World Order Gang touting the virtues of more gun control.

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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1975545 - 10/03/03 10:44 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

interesting numbers.

where did you snatch this from?


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Re: gun control [Re: afoaf]
    #1975564 - 10/03/03 10:49 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

I had it from a report I did

I'll have to find the link.


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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1975573 - 10/03/03 10:53 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

you will now get a storm of people posting to point out that gun control was established in china, germany, and cambodia before the offending regimes came to power.

which i'd like to just point out beforehand is totally irrelevant.

you'll also get people posting to say that guns are no match for the US military...

this will be the argument of those with a poor historical perspective or understanding of the nature of rebellion, revolution, civil war, or combat in general.


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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1975629 - 10/03/03 11:15 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)



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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1975638 - 10/03/03 11:24 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

1999 Australia establishes gun control.
Law-abiding citizens were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms for destruction, a program costing the government more than $500 million.

The results Australia-wide:

Homicides are up 3.2%
Assaults are up 8%
Armed Robberies are up 44%

In the State of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%.
Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in ?safety? has been observed after such a monumental effort was expended in ?ridding society of guns.?

In a mere 100 years, more than 56 Million people, unable to defend themselves because of gun control, have lost their lives and property. Gunsin the hands of honest citizens save lives and property. Gun control only affects law-abiding citizens as criminals will always find a way to obtain weapons


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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1975659 - 10/03/03 11:29 AM (14 years, 18 days ago)

good post Joe, now you'll get some replies claiming you're an extreme right-winger, insensitive and a redneck.


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Re: gun control [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1975676 - 10/03/03 11:33 AM (14 years, 18 days ago)

I am.


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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1975682 - 10/03/03 11:35 AM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Gun control only affects law-abiding citizens as criminals will always find a way to obtain weapons

not absolutely true but certainly a clear trend.

gun control may make it harder for criminals to get guns. it will make it impossible for law-abiding citizens to do so. whatever the street-level actualities are, the statistics tell the full story. gun control does not decrease crime; more often it increases it. it is an expensive, intrusive governmental policy that robs free citizens of one of their most fundamental rights and bears the earmark of bad legislation: it makes a crime out of something which is not a crime.

a people disarmed are not free.


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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1975690 - 10/03/03 11:36 AM (14 years, 18 days ago)

As long as there is plumbing in existence, I have access to firearms.

:smile:


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    #1975701 - 10/03/03 11:40 AM (14 years, 18 days ago)

ha, good for you.


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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1975801 - 10/03/03 12:30 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Whether gun control is a good thing or not, this is an invalid, stupid, and underhanded way of presenting an argument.

Yes, gun control has been used by dictators in efforts to weaken the populace. Does this mean that gun control = dictatorship? No. Not at all, not even remotely.


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Re: gun control [Re: Phluck]
    #1975819 - 10/03/03 12:36 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

are you willing to trust governments who in fact favor taking guns away from their citizens? I for one don't trust the government to give me the truth, let alone trust them to not turn on its citizens.

Gun Control may not immediatly equal dictatorship, but it does make it easier to have one if they so desire.


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Re: gun control [Re: Phluck]
    #1975843 - 10/03/03 12:41 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

can you give a counterexample of genocide occuring against an armed populace?


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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1976121 - 10/03/03 02:01 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Gun death's have gone up here 200% in the last 5 years..


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    #1976129 - 10/03/03 02:03 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

_JOE_ said:
I am.




...and I love you for it.


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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1976148 - 10/03/03 02:09 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

seriously. blanket gun control is a completely irrational policy, (unless you happen to be a tyrannical ruler, and then it makes perfect sense).

people convicted of felonies (violent ones), the mentally ill or disabled, and children should be the only ones barred from owning or carrying guns. you shouldn't even need a permit to carry a weapon. if you're an adult with a clean record, your right to carry is a given....

people could of course prohibit carrying of weapons on their own property if they desired, and the government could restrict it in places like courthouses. this blanket banning of guns in entire cities is completely unconsitutional to say the least.

there should also be few restrictions on the types of guns allowed. there should be no laws restricting magazine capacities, no laws restricting semi- or fully automatic fire, and no laws against bayonet mounts, pistol grips, flash suppressors, etc.


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Re: gun control [Re: Bhairabas]
    #1976149 - 10/03/03 02:09 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

where? link?


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Re: gun control [Re: ]
    #1976257 - 10/03/03 02:35 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

JOE, could you check this...

Quote:


http://www.guncontrol.org.au/index.php?article=32
Melbourne - The US National Rifle Association (NRA), led by actor Charlton Heston, and other pro-gun groups are actively promoting misinformation on the results of Australia's tough Uniform Agreement on Gun Laws, adopted by all States and Territories following Martin Bryant's April 28 1996 rampage and massacre of 35 people at Port Arthur, Tasmania.

Claim 4. In Victoria there was a 300% increase in homicides following the new laws. In fact the homicide rate in Victoria dropped by 19.8% in 1998. Victoria has for many years had the lowest homicide rate of the six Australian states.




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http://www.iansa.org/oldsite/documents/research/2000/aussie_guns.htm
"There was a decrease of almost 30% in the number of homicides by firearms from 1997 to 1998."
-- Australian Crime - Facts and Figures 1999. Australian Institute of Criminology. Canberra, Oct 1999

Homicide by Any Method
The overall rate of homicide in Australia has also dropped to its lowest point since 1989 (National Homicide Monitoring Program, 1997-98 data). It remains one-fourth the homicide rate in the USA.
The Australian rate of gun death per 100,000 population remains one-fifth that of the United States.





BTW, I saw the NRA "infomercial" on Australia (I downloaded it) and it was a spin job. If you cite Aussie sources be accurate, as what you've posted (on Australia) is bunk. Put simply, it's safer in Australia than in the US because people here are not armed to the teeth.

If you would like to see your source -- a chain letter -- then see it undressed re: the homocides, robbery & assaults. Hit this link...

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html

IMO, it's some crafted NRA chain letter, with a "Hi Yanks" to sound so cobber LMAO, so not content they pimped an "infomercial" of misinformation. Pathetic. But hey, why let truth get in the way of an agenda?


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Re: gun control [Re: Starter]
    #1976285 - 10/03/03 02:45 PM (14 years, 18 days ago)

here's a good discussion about statistical analysis of the supply of guns and its effect on crime in the US:

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