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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. * 1
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LOL.

can we haz another death anxiety thread?

i mean, we don't need one. but we could have one- just like we could have a lot of things.

it's inescapable. no one can even broach this subject without the ignition sputtering into a new direction to engulf. it's impossible. there is no solving any of the problems in the human condition- we can organize things in differing ways, but there will always be the same problems- because we humans are incredibly simplistic, to the point of absurdity; which is why we can never truly change. we can feel change, assess it in our environment and in ourselves, we can promote change, will ourselves to change (like someone can will themselves to do any number of terrible or mundane things), but we can never change this-- we are unable to deal with death's encroachment, and everyone deals with it in determined ways that are bound for tragedy, for certain individuals whom will have to assert themselves within the echos of stressors they cannot control, or affirmatively destroy- with pleasure seeking exercises, spiritual discipline, et al.

due to the uncontrollable nature of life, from resources, to psychopathology, to the innate need for certainty, we will never conform to another notion outside of the box where undefinable anxiety resides, in where you know "I exist in this" is nothing more than an illusion of thought and a distraction to the ultimate claim that utters itself in indefinite silence, "I am still alive".

we have one method for normal people: survive. the prerogative is simple.

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: akira_akuma] * 4
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unless one is engaged with something compelling, one can loop endlessly about unsatisfactoriness of our condition.

I resort to watching mental contents, and or the breath, when not otherwise engaged.


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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
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I can't wait to die. Anxiety over the most mundane of things, death, makes no sense.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."

Edited by LRG (02/26/18 04:22 PM)

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: LRG]
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to define death you must first define life

without which you wouldn't have concept of death


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CHRIST IS KING.

Sunshine said: "Gangsters are super heroes"

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
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LRG said:
I can't wait to die. Anxiety over the most mundane of things, death, makes no sense.


are you living on the edge?

Green7Alchemist said:
to define death you must first define life

without which you wouldn't have concept of death


life is just a form of animated death.

redgreenvines said:
unless one is engaged with something compelling, one can loop endlessly about unsatisfactoriness of our condition.

I resort to watching mental contents, and or the breath, when not otherwise engaged.


yes, i know.

i think people should general get more creative though, and less, you know...boring.

i'm sick of this "let's just meander and death comes and life is practically meaningless" schtick.

but i need other people to come along with me...but i'm not Jesus so, no one is interested. :tongue: they wouldn't be interested in you, either. no one is interested in anything, to any great degree, without it feeding into their narcissism as a means of staving off the inevitable. there are interesting things- yes, this is true. but it is devoid of real meaning without some kind of rationale to question and answer repetitions- which is why religions exist. some boundless intelligence of some kind that can be responded to in forms of thought, whereas the thinker who's receiving thought can learn something, even if it's repeated ad nauseam, sort of like a negative feedback loop- sort of like what happens biologically within relationships- ie, a power struggle- but for those with an "almighty God", it's a matter of propensity to surrender unto this deity- a silly conclusion if you ask me, but nevertheless, the point stands; people need this feedback loop, whether in the form of a God, or in form of those who will partake in one's very games- tis why it's so likely for people to aim to fall into predetermined groups/schools of thought, because it is the path of least resistance, it is easier- it is easier because people will listen, there is instant gratification.

this...this is not boring.

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Anxiety is like a carapace.. if you have it, it will swallow up your emotions, and turn you into a corpse..


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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: BrendanFlock]
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now, you bring up a really interesting aspect to all this, for me...how much is too much? how much is allowable?

huh? :wink:

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: LRG] * 1
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LRG said:
I can't wait to die. Anxiety over the most mundane of things, death, makes no sense.


This. Death means that consciousness returns to God and is liberated from all suffering. What's to fear? One fears only insofar as one clings to the world.


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"They consider me insane but I know that I am a hero living under the eyes of the gods."

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: viktor]
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sure. easier said than done. go and go back to "God" then...oh wait...that's against "the rules". :wink:

now, i'm just saying...you're postulating something easier said than "done".

but your overall point, i think, is well resonated.

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Dying isn't easy. It's easier than living, though.


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"They consider me insane but I know that I am a hero living under the eyes of the gods."

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
now, you bring up a really interesting aspect to all this, for me...how much is too much? how much is allowable?

huh? :wink:


How much?
That's not for us to answer.

And that may be the point.


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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: viktor]
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viktor said:
LRG said:
I can't wait to die. Anxiety over the most mundane of things, death, makes no sense.


This. Death means that consciousness returns to God and is liberated from all suffering. What's to fear? One fears only insofar as one clings to the world.


I'm with you guys on this one. I look forward to it with great fondness and excitement.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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I can only understand having anxiety over something when there is a choice present. Its totally nonsensical to worry about inevitability. Theres not even a reason to think about it. its a complete dead end. Therefore I have no fear around the subject.

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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dying is not easy,
being dead is easy,
living is not easy because the mind is wildly rooting through perceptions and predictions, like looping, and yes with plenty of feedback.
joining groups and disengaging to follow the leader is not a good solution.
That also is boring.

But what does boring mean?
Unsatisfactory. insufficient to distract one from just rooting through perceptions and predictions.

maybe with a group you get a modicum of Likes :heart: and that makes a tiny squirt of dopamine. DOPE.

still actually boring or unsatisfactory.

So this death topic - maybe that will mean something to every one, more :heart: 's more dopamine, more meaning?!? - Nope, it's just repetition.

like talking about Hockey or Football, scores count, games count, trophies count, money talks. don't forget the BEER! - boring. repetitive.

so my interest is mind, while alive, while subject to death, subject to boredom, subject to craving and dope, and I like to do my non-dope trick of bare awareness, which is difficult (but not as difficult as dying, nor as difficult as writhing around in boredom), otherwise I do useful stuff, working - job, cleaning, market, loving, eating, sleeping, or painting which is not too easy and gets :heart: 's and a bit of Dopamine, or the shroomery, just chatting with you guys/girls never really sure.


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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: akira_akuma]
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death is a part of life or it can be argued that life and death are both illusions from which a greater understanding is veiled.

hence rendering life and death into a bin of wtf's and misunderstandings.

as far as anxiety of death, i would say i have some form of it, for me anxiety comes from expectations of the inevitable, and to ponder over this life is to also wonder over death as it is an inescapable factor of our lives.

i have to agree death in itself is not easy, illness's like the process of cancer in particular is not an easy things to witness as the body slowly shuts off an decays while you lay powerless to its grip on your death bed, that is scary.

however this is not a fear OF death, it is an inevitable inescapable part of life, to fear death would be like to fear eating, its part of life that has also gone thru its death process.

but to speak generally people feel fear of dying because life forever remains too short, that is why we travel light, forgive much and regret nothing, all things we must do while still alive.


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THUG - ISLAM - BIBLE
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CHRIST IS KING.

Sunshine said: "Gangsters are super heroes"

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: viktor]
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viktor said:
Dying isn't easy. It's easier than living, though.


it's also easy to see that if we didn't have that "drive", we'd have a mind that functions 100% entirely different in terms of positive-incentive value (which definitely, due to how our brains work, concerning dopamine, and pain-gating, makes "set theory" contentious), and we'd probably not have the same aspects of tribal/civilization, probably would see less an expansion into civilization and tribal culling would probably be more consistent, as there'd be less fear of death, and thus, less likelihood that tribes will survive without being culled into extinction.

let's just say, we'd have a very different world.

Jokeshopbeard said:
I'm with you guys on this one. I look forward to it with great fondness and excitement.


and when they guy comes waving a gun around, or whatever...your words will ring empty and hollow.

see, this is what i'm talking about...people lying to themselves. :lol: they have to!

Edited by akira_akuma (02/27/18 11:10 AM)

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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I think you confuse the natural, biological instinct of the organism with the spiritual and emotional acceptance of what is to come.

Of course, if I man were to come at me with a knife, my physical organism would resist and fight it in every way possible. This is unavoidable. It is animal instinct.

This has nothing to do with having prior accepted ones demise, or in fact looking forward to it.

PS - I do not appreciate you insinuating several members above of lying to themselves akira. Watch your steps here. You are on thin fucking ice.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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PS - I do not appreciate you insinuating several members above of lying to themselves akira. Watch your steps here. You are on thin fucking ice.


could you stop this witch hunt bullshit? i've done nothing wrong and insinuated no one. i literally have done nothing to insult, defame, disrespect, or cuss, at anyone...literally. ENOUGH OF THIS. i just disagree with you and Viktor (to an extent), that is ALL that is being said here. (several members...you mean just YOU, by the fucking way.)

i can say people lie to themselves. there is no rules against DISCUSSION of OPINIONS. this is the PSP forum...you're obviously a real bad fit for moderator here.

and i've agreed with people here, as well, but i would still say they are lying to themselves.

question, class: would Icelander be threatened with a ban for telling others that they lie to themselves? is this acceptable, if so?

anyways, stop threatening me, you're going too far with this witchhunt crap. no one here has done anything wrong, let alone myself. YOU ARE OUT OF LINE.

Edited by akira_akuma (02/27/18 11:18 AM)

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Quote:
I think you confuse the natural, biological instinct of the organism with the spiritual and emotional acceptance of what is to come.

Of course, if I man were to come at me with a knife, my physical organism would resist and fight it in every way possible. This is unavoidable. It is animal instinct.

This has nothing to do with having prior accepted ones demise, or in fact looking forward to it.


i think you're just, erm not telling yourself the truth, when you say that you would embrace death. i think you'd be like everyone else in their death bed, scared, alone, and perplexed at how you could have thought you'd be able to embrace it with open arms...and you'd probably wish for the strength to grasp at the sky in order to strangle God for what you have to witness, which is your own demise. it's painful, and terrifying. that is why i don't believe you. i think you're just telling yourself something that sounds nice that'll make you feel ok.

PS: just in case this needs be made clear for the moderator.

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This debate-oriented forum is for the discussion of philosophical ideas that can be backed up with some sort of thoughtful logic and reasoning. Topics may include epistemology, ethics, metaphysics/ontology, the psychology of mind and the sociological study of cultural and individual behavior. Personal attacks will not be tolerated, though critical analysis of the ideas presented is encouraged. If you wish to express your ideas in a less critical environment, consider visiting our Spirituality & Mysticism forum.


literally, if you don't want to debate, or have your opinions questioned, you can also use another forum, or just click "hide thread" if you don't want to participate. you don't have to come in and threaten me with a ban for nothing just because you don't like the answers you're receiving in debate, when no rules are being broken. :mad:

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Re: People really do nothing but postulate things to avoid the anxiety of death. [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
see, this is what i'm talking about...people lying to themselves. :lol: they have to!


PPS: this is piecemeal to the very topic at hand, you must realize this Jokeshop, or else why are you even....look, if you don't know that death anxiety, as a part of it's premise, conceptually, entails that people lie to themselves, right, well, then now you know.

if you didn't know, now you know. it's literally PART AND PARCEL to the concept. so i'm NOT telling you're lying to yourself, or calling you a liar MALICIOUSLY. it's just due to the nature of the subject matter, that i used the phrase "lie to yourself".

:facepalm:

now please...SERIOUSLY. you've just angered me. would you cease and desist from now on, and at least learn the subject matter FIRST before you start threatening BANS. K? could you do that, for once?

ooor am i gonna catch a ban for just sticking up for myself when i'm being threatened for no good reason? is this what it's like for certain members around here? gotta walk on eggshells even when no laws are being stepped across? i fear that it may be, with this attitude of all-pervading "lock-down" on the PSP forum's main premise, which is debate.

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