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Re: Are you afraid of death? [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
Here is the bottom line: I do not dwell on death, but if I was totally conscious and relatively healty at the time, would be petrified as would ALL of you.


*Swami braces for a tsunami of denial*



Oh... 

I thought he meant, "Are you afraid of death right now."  :wink:


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Re: Are you afraid of death? [Re: Frog]
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I'm not afraid of death.

Yet you fear breaking a nail...  :tongue2:


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Re: Are you afraid of death? [Re: Swami]
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Swami said: Survival, our primary programming, spurred by fear of death, is several magnitudes greater than the need to procreate.


that is true.

but can such programming be transcended? apparently human beings can transcend other genetic, instinctual drives, such as the urge to procreate, eat food, not set themselves on fire while meditating, not jump out of airplanes, etc. or am I wrong?

where I might be wrong is the word 'transcend'. the first time someone jumps out of a plane with a parachute on their back... even though they know cerebrally that the parachute will save their life (or at least they know the odds are really good), they haven't done it before so they probably can't know it in their gut. and yet they jump. how do they do this? is this transcendental?

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Re: Are you afraid of death? [Re: Zekebomb]
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humans can definitely go against their 'programming'

Our concepts of programming is just previous observed behaviour, and is not some actual absolute trait. by belieivng in 'human nature' one forces themselves into it's conditioning. by not allowing yourself to limit yourself through enforcing the belief of the limitations, letting go and thinking rationally can easily pass previous 'programmed' traits.

plus, humans are evolving rapidly. faster than it seems, methinks :smile:


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Re: Are you afraid of death? [Re: deff]
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are you saying it seems that humanity is evolving faster than it seems???

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Re: Are you afraid of death? [Re: Zekebomb]
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Im not afraid of death, once im dead, im afraid of the "dying process", not wanting to go painfully when young, but not wanting to get old & die of dis-ease.
Is there any other way?
I just finished "The Eagle & The Rose" by Rosemary Altea, a remarkable medium who has insight into worlds unknown to us on this side. It gave me a different perspective on where we go.
I'll go when its time, yet i know that will be a while.
I think i fear loved ones death more then my own, the fear of having to go through the greiving process without them. *touch wood* Ive never had a close one depart to the next level, and i know it will be a difficult thing for me to cope with.
But we cannot dwell on these things. Fuk it , its life, part of life , is death.
"Not one day that you are here on this earth, has been promised to you. So make the most of every day as if it was your last and every breath as if it was the same" -Phlex, Blindspott.

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Re: Are you afraid of death? [Re: Zekebomb]
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Sew(n) seems evolve faster than humanfanny....?

Must be in the jeans....    :grin:

It is in the stitching of the frabric in a pocket of time and space....
The universe behind the intertlocking teeth a zipper, as it seems,
But, not as it seems to be.....    Blue leave-eyes, and buttons fly.... 

:smirk:

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Re: Are you afraid of death? [Re: PhanTomCat]
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i die every time i do mushrooms! it is such a wonderful experience, most of the time!

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Re: Are you afraid of death? [Re: EarthAngel]
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...a remarkable medium who has insight into worlds unknown to us...
That is because she just makes shit up. There is nothing remarkable about a con-woman.

*touch wood*
I don't think typing an act has the same power to thwart bad luck as actually touching wood. At least that is what I told that young filly at the nightclub...


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Re: Are you afraid of death? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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This is one of the virtues of a long life. A large percentages of octagenarians [people in their 80's]do not fear death. When my uncle Herman was 103, he said to me that it was "no big deal" if he didn't wake up in the morning. He lived to 106 (and might have lived longer if his daughter didn't move him from Florida to Michigan!) My father didn't evidence fear of death last summer before he died at 89, but their was some dementia present (perhaps a natural safeguard againsy such fear).

When we are still young enough to be vital, aware, active, it is natural to fear death. We know there is going to be a serious trip in store for us, perhaps with pain or with a titanic struggle. For me, it is helpful to follow some of the Tibetan Buddhist guidelines from the Tibetan Book of the Dead: Earth sinking into Water - Water sinking into Fire - Fire sinking into Air - Air sinking into Spirit - and the concommitant psychophysical sensations of heaviness, thirst, coldness, etc. - you know - dying. Maybe this is a weak analogy, but when I had a cataract surgery 10 years ago, I had coincidentally watched the proceedure on PBS a week earlier. I knew, even though I couldn't see ('cause they keep you awake except for a 5 minute unconsciousness with a short-term anaesthesia during which time they inject Xylocaine behind your eyeball) exactly when they were cutting the eyeball, when the vacuum was inserted to mascerate and withdraw the damaged lens (I could hear the pump on the floor at my right), when they were inserting the new plastic lens and smoothing it out, when they closed and bandaged the eye. It was comforting to recognize and anticipate each stage, and without any panic or fear.

Psychedelics are perhaps the best death-preparation I know of. Ram Dass recommended it in BE HERE NOW - practicing your own death. Lie down or sit in a lotus and say "this is it," as in the title by Alan Watts. In THIS Here & Now I will die. Slow the breath, thereby slowing the thoughts and the attending emotions to those thoughts. If you are into the visualizations of Yoga - the 'drops' and 'winds' and chakras, now is the time to go through the symbolic alchemy of that Yoga.

My hope is that I do not leave this world the way I came into it - kicking and screaming.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Are you afraid of death? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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My hope is that I do not leave this world the way I came into it - kicking and screaming.

My grandpa left this world peacefully as he drove off the bridge, unlike his passengers who were screaming. :lol:


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