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Offlineunlikelyhero
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Fear of death
    #1929949 - 09/19/03 02:16 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone else have this or been through this? I know for some of the more enlightened it's not something to worry about at all. I had to come to terms with the fact recently that I do have quite a deep fear of death - I'm a regular Woody Allen. Through coming to terms with it, I've been able to change my perspective and reduce my fear. I also read a book called Man's Serach for Meaning by Viktor Frankl that helped out.
I also realise that it might not be a fear of death as much as a fear of not enjoying life, or a fear of missing out on opportunities. Anyway, just thought I'd write that down - I think it's difficult thing to admit a weakness but evry healthy for the mind.

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Re: Fear of death [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1929960 - 09/19/03 02:19 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I once thought I had mastered my fear of death.

I was taught differently  :smirk:

Now I know that I am afraid of death. I have accepted, at least intellectually, that I will die at any time and that there is nothing I can do to prevent death. But I am still afraid, in a way, of the biggest change I will ever go through.

Fear is not a problem.


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Re: Fear of death [Re: trendal]
    #1930011 - 09/19/03 02:37 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

That's interesting. I guess if you accept your fear and stop fighting it, it's going to be easier for your mind to come to terms with it.

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Re: Fear of death [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1930054 - 09/19/03 02:49 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i have had a fear of death all my life sometimes i wouldn't get to sleep because i would be going somewhere without my body and the people i know as they were. would get into an anxiety attack. i feared since i was 3. or could of been that i feared life wasn't going to be normal for me. but then i realised all death is a fear of change. once i had these concept pounded into my thought process. i feel magnificent and this has only happened in the past 3 years


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Re: Fear of death [Re: spudamore]
    #1930113 - 09/19/03 03:09 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I definitely think I have a fear of change to an extent as well. I'm also a bit of a control freak and underestimate my own capabilties. I'm sure these things all link in someway.

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Re: Fear of death [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1930195 - 09/19/03 03:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Fear of death is the most basic human instinct. Once you conquer your fear of death only then do i feel you can truly live life to its fullest.

A couple years ago I was in a bad car accident that almost took my life. I was laying on the side of the road clutching my side which was bleeding internally ( i had to get part of my colon removed) with broken collar and rib bones. All i remember is begging in my mind asking for God to not let me die.

The way I see life now is dramatically different than the way I used to see it. I fear less things than I did before the accident. But now I fear some things that never used to bother me( riding in planes - i get that grip of death feeling now)

While the thought of riding on a plane sends chills down my spine now, I still go on them. During the flight im in a constant battle with my mind. I can usually subside most of this fear by telling myself that this is just my instinct and if anything were to happen there is nothing I can do about it anyway.

By having a near death experience I realize the cause for this fear was the accident. After the accident I consciously and subconsciously realized that I was a lot less super-human than I thought.

As I'm writing this out I realize that the accident, while not ridding me of my fear of death, has made me enjoy my life so much more, because I know that I can die.

Sure everyone knows they are going to die someday, but I think more people pretend that its not going to happen till they are 95 years old decked out in adult diapers and fake teeth.

By almost dying, i now feel more alive. Does any of this make sense?

-Dank


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Re: Fear of death [Re: DankBluntZ]
    #1930281 - 09/19/03 04:23 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah i belive you dont live life untill you stop fearing death, i will admit i am not totally fearless of death but i consider this more as a fear of change. A fear of not knowing whats around the corner. But i dont fear death like other people do, i know its coming like i knew pubirty was coming. Its just another stage of life and it will come sooner or later so might as well enjoy the current breath than to worry if the next one will be there. :smile:


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Re: Fear of death [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1930293 - 09/19/03 04:29 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

As one grows older, if one has lived according to one's faith, the hold that mortal terror - Root Chakra state of mind - Muladhara Chakra - Anal Plexus - the connection to why one shits one's pants with mortal fear - has a weaker and weaker hold over one's life. When faced with death from malignant melanoma, I went through the shaky, frightened physiological stuff, yet a sense of stillness remained throughout the whole panic period. That was in '96 when I was 43.

My Great-Uncle Herman died a couple of years ago at age 106. I last saw him at 103 and he said that if he didn't wake up in the morning it was "no big deal." Over 80% of people in their 80's do not fear death. This fear is connected with the life and vitality and beauty that younger people stand to lose through death - which is tragic. My lovely Jamaican neighbor can't be more than mid 30's and she was diagnosed for a third time with systemic cancer. She is not freaking, but shows abiding peace. She has a 6 year old daughter. If she dies, that is tragic, yet, she wants no pity and isn't freaking. I don't know how deeply she believes her Christian faith - I'll have to ask her - but today, I didn't see fear in her eyes.

All of Frankl's works are useful. He figured prominently in my Doctoral dissertation. I learned Paradoxical Intention from him, have taught it to some on the Shroomery, and recently received a PM of thanks for the technique.


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Re: Fear of death [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1930485 - 09/19/03 05:40 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Now youve got me interested in this Frankl guy. ;D


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Re: Fear of death [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1930674 - 09/19/03 06:39 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Fear of death in often caused by the pre-conceived notion, or learned process, that after death is a state of nothingness/void/blackness/non-consciousness/non-existance. Being alive, we find it hard to comprehend this vague notion, thus we fear it. This is caused by the notion that consciousness is the same as physical body, which is not the case. The way to transcend this fear lies in utilizing consciousness to explore realms beyond the physical.. experiencing that consciouss/spirit, is an energy, our life force, which is a continual existance, based on learning and evolution. It exists seperate from, yet temporarily attached to the physical body, which dies. Consciousness does not.

Body is only a temporary vehicle, which consciousness/spirit resides in for a period of time (read:physical life), for which to experience physical reality. Upon death, the body returns to the Earth from whence it came, the consciousness is seperated from the body and returns to the 'other side', to enter a restful, 'cogitative' state of sleep, dreams, and analysis of the past life and experiences. After a period of time, the soul 'awakens' into a new body to experience more physical reality.. oftentimes blissfully unaware of the dreams from the night before. In a way, fearing death is similar to fearing sleep. You are not conscious when you sleep, and your body is 'shut down', yet you continue to exist. Physical reality reflects spiritual reality to a T.

After many times of repeating this cycle of physical life, the spirit eventually reaches a place where physical learning no longer offers any new wisdom or teachings, and that spirit can decide to continue incarnating on the physical cycle of life and death, in order to help others on their path, or to 'ascend' to the higher frequency, eternal world of spirit, devoid of physicality.

Fear of death can be healthy, to an extent. But eventually it must be overcome. Sometimes this does not occur until after death. It depends on the perspective of the 'physical mind'...ego. Note, physical mind is not consciousness... it is merely a computer, or processor, for which to compartmentalize and file the experiences of physical reality. Consciousness does the actual perceiving and experiencing.

Consciousness cannot experience physical life, without living in it. Which is why we enter into physical bodies temporarily, in order to have physical experiences. Spirit is beyond any cycle of life and death, and exists continually as an eternal, perceiving, experiencing, dreaming, entity.

The point is to not fear death, and live your life to the fullest, experiencing, learning, gaining all the wisdom you can from your physical experiences. Worry about death when you get there, that's a whole different ballgame, and we can't usually fully understand it until we undergo it. Remember, it's a natural cycle, and not the end of existance. Existance is eternal.

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Re: Fear of death [Re: Shroomism]
    #1931628 - 09/19/03 02:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hell motherfucker yeah! :grin:

... nothing left for me to say, hehe...
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Re: Fear of death [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1931713 - 09/19/03 03:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

All interesting posts. I like what you said Shroomism but as much as I'd like to believe that, I'd have to experience something that showed me that what you say is true. I have no reason to believe that we don't just rot in the ground in the same way that I don't have any reason to believe that we don't seperate from our bodies. I'm an agnostic. I always jokingly consider in my mind to put myself through a near-death experience to give me a different perspective on life. Another possiblity I've mulled around in my mind is that if I fear death then maybe it's because I enjoy life so much. I don't know - it's definitely linked to my fear of change, I know that much.

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Re: Fear of death [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1931761 - 09/19/03 04:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Shroomism, i couldnt have put it better myself :tongue:

Hero, it seems like you're spending alot of time in negative thought circles reguarding death. If i may offer some friendly advice, consider the idea that it is pointless to spend time predicting the future, we have no control over the inevitable process of life and death, why spend time pondering the impossible to predict when you could concentrate your energy into positive thought?

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Re: Fear of death [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1931827 - 09/19/03 05:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Fear of death comes in various forms. One is the built-in animal survival anxiety that arises when an immediate threat to your life appears. I don't think this can be completely eliminated, even if it can be subdued. It's part of our wiring.

Then there is what I like to call chronic fear of death. It is not a reaction to an immediate life-threatening situation. It can be provoked by something that reminds you that you are one day going to die, or it can just pop up in your head for no obvious reason at all. I had this fear from when I was about 8 or 9 until I was in my mid-30s. I used to think that it was LSD that cured me of this (I was 34 when I first tripped on LSD), but now I believe it's more correct to say that LSD was a factor. There was no ego-death involved, no sudden realization, I just noticed one day that my old fear had vanished.

But old habits die hard, and on occasion that fear resurfaced again, mostly during periods of non-tripping when I was heavily involved in the games that define "social reality". At one point I even welcomed this, because I was confusing it with the previously mentioned animal survival anxiety, and I thought I had lost that, which worried me a bit.

Has anyone here seen the movie "Fearless" by Peter Weir? Starring Jeff Bridges and Isabella Rossellini. I saw it right at the time when I had begun to worry that I had lost all fear of death, and it made a profound impact on me. One of those synchronisms.. Look it up on IMDB if you haven't heard of it.

Anyway, when I much later had my first ego-death experience I saw how I had been worrying for the wrong reasons. I don't fear death now, but I want to avoid death as long as there are things that will be broken when I die, and most important of these is the love that I give and receive. It's like not wanting to abandon the contents of your pipe if you know that there is still something good left in there. :wink:
 


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Re: Fear of death [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1932045 - 09/19/03 07:21 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Rhizoid said:Has anyone here seen the movie "Fearless" by Peter Weir? Starring Jeff Bridges and Isabella Rossellini.





Is that the movie where Jeff bridges was in a plane crash and was allergic to strawberries?


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Re: Fear of death [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1932365 - 09/19/03 09:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I'm quite excited about death, actually.....

But there's no need to RUSH it :wink:


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Re: Fear of death [Re: Strumpling]
    #1932600 - 09/19/03 10:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

death will be the uktimate experience, im also a little exited, but im fine chillin here for a bit, learning away.


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Re: Fear of death [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #1932786 - 09/19/03 11:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Shroomism, your post reminds me of Tibetan thought on reincarnation.


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Re: Fear of death [Re: YellowSubmarine]
    #1933004 - 09/20/03 12:41 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The three realms?


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Re: Fear of death [Re: Shroomism]
    #1934728 - 09/20/03 12:42 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I've never heard of that perspective before SHroomism, where or when did you come to see things this way? It's interesting to say the least.


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Re: Fear of death [Re: sirreal]
    #1934831 - 09/20/03 01:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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sirreal said:
Is that the movie where Jeff bridges was in a plane crash and was allergic to strawberries?




Yeah, it is. Pretty interesting film.
I am getting better I think - there was a time a few motnhs ago when all I could thinki about was dying. That Frankl book certainly help me sort my head out a bit. Still resurfaces now and again but not to the same extent.

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Re: Fear of death [Re: unlikelyhero]
    #1943418 - 09/23/03 12:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Shroomism: I don't mean to be rude, but Hero is right, how is your philosophizing of existence any more based in ration than christianity, islam or even the Heaven's Gate Cult (the ones with the mass suicide as the comet-spaceship went by)? That is to say, everyone from these places will profess to the teeth that what they say and believe is correct, yet most of them have to be wrong.

And that is certainly patronizing to say that we've been 'programmed' to think that in the end our existence ends with our last heartbeat. For there simply is no evidence of anything to the contrary. We see absolutely no signs that something continues after its life is extinguished. As for about conciousness being different from mind/body, during the course of evolution was there suddenly one humanoid that had just enough self-awareness that it was like "oh that guy has a concious". And have you seen videos of chimpanzees learning and the way the complex ways they interact socially? it makes it difficult to say that we are completely different beings to them. While your thoughts are perhaps stimulating and intriguing, who's to say they have any more grounding than Jerry Falwell?

As for death, I'm not afraid of 'change' i don't really see any reason i would be if thats what i knew it was, just a 'change'. instead, the reason i'm afraid is of the uncertainty that all thoughts and existence of myself will cease for eternity. And to cease all thoughts and existence is obviously something i cannot even comprehend for i have nothing to base it upon, and that is why it is scary (at least when i let my mind drift off, this is not something i think about too much anymore, at least not as much as when i was a kid).


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Re: Fear of death [Re: Tao]
    #1943424 - 09/23/03 12:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

love is all there is, everything else is just reaching out for it.

all any mother fucker needs to know is, love everyone and everything else as you would want to be loved.

all there is to be concerned about. everything else falls into place as it should when living peacefully, all comes to you conveniently and perfectly, only certain people who understand this can relate


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Re: Fear of death [Re: ]
    #1943429 - 09/23/03 12:33 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

and i dont give no fuck what anybody says, what shroomism spit out was all straight wisdom, it was truth. he knows, everybody else who can relate KNOWS(fuck believing. some of us KNOW the knowledge of truth, its no mystery)

read these experiences people, from what these people say, does death sound liek something we should fear or look forward to

www.near-death.com and http://forums.near-death.com has a NDE's only forum you can read NDE's there too.

nothing to fear at all, if i have to die tomorrow, i would not care, but it would be nice to chill here till im old and grey, learn as much as i can, experience as much as i can, see as much as i can, simply because i can. im not going to sit around and fuck off my whole life, im gonna live it up no doubt.

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Re: Fear of death [Re: ]
    #1943432 - 09/23/03 12:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i like the first of your two posts kottonmouth, i can definately understand what your saying (not to say that i practice it at this point, but i see what youre getting at). but when you say
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fuck believing. some of us KNOW the knowledge of truth, its no mystery



you sound no different from a sucide-bombing muslim.


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Re: Fear of death [Re: Tao]
    #1950878 - 09/25/03 08:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Shroomism: I don't mean to be rude, but Hero is right, how is your philosophizing of existence any more based in ration than christianity, islam or even the Heaven's Gate Cult (the ones with the mass suicide as the comet-spaceship went by)? That is to say, everyone from these places will profess to the teeth that what they say and believe is correct, yet most of them have to be wrong.

Because I don't profess through the teeth that these things are absolute, just my perception from my experience. And I don't believe in suicide as a means of spiritual evolution, nor crusading across endless countries to massacre those who don't share my beliefs. I am a proud supporter of free will..so believe whatever the hell you want to, I won't interfere. I merely offer my perspective. My philosophy is one based on free will, love and harmony.. with God being a source that resides in us all... not some outside source that you need a middle man to reach (church, the bible, etc)

You can believe whatever you want. That's the gift of free will. You can listen to me or ignore me, you can take it to heart or take it as ramblings of dogma. Peace


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Re: Fear of death [Re: DankBluntZ]
    #1950936 - 09/25/03 08:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Fear of death [Re: ]
    #1951042 - 09/25/03 09:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

its funny, because my fundamentalist Christian mother is always getting on my case because I often engage in unhealthy behavior (drugs, smoking, drinking) and I also put myself in risky situations sometimes (hanging out in 'seedy' places, driving too fast, etc...).

she doesn't seem to understand that accepting risk is sometimes part of enjoying life. She constantly worries about things she has no control over, and these worries confine her to a very boring life.

It always amuses me how someone who professes to have so much faith in God and the Afterlife is so afraid of death and worries about it so much.


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Re: Fear of death [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1951062 - 09/25/03 09:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I think that fear of death is, wehn you consider it intellectuallly, somewhat ignorant. The real fear isn't of the pain of dying, but of the extinction of consciousness. Our self-preserving ego fears the death of consciousness, tho in reality, as soon as we "die", the consciousness that would be upset about it, is totally turned off, so "we" can't even feel about it. It would be like fearing sleep. You don't realize it when you are sleeping. AS soon as we are born, we are dead. It's that simple. Death is all around us, we just have to make the most out of the here and now


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Re: Fear of death [Re: lysergic]
    #1951244 - 09/25/03 10:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

> I've been able to change my perspective and reduce my fear.

We are all destined to die.  People can shout 'till they are blue in the face about having free will, but our reality requires that everybody and everything dies.  With this in mind, I cannot wait until I die.  You only get to die once (per life), so why not make the most of the experience.  I am not saying that I am anxious to die, but when the time comes I will embrace it with open arms and walk with my head held high.

> As soon as we are born, we are dead.

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Re: Fear of death [Re: Shroomism]
    #1951479 - 09/26/03 12:08 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Because I don't profess through the teeth that these things are absolute, just my perception from my experience. And I don't believe in suicide as a means of spiritual evolution, nor crusading across endless countries to massacre those who don't share my beliefs. I am a proud supporter of free will..so believe whatever the hell you want to, I won't interfere. I merely offer my perspective. My philosophy is one based on free will, love and harmony.. with God being a source that resides in us all... not some outside source that you need a middle man to reach (church, the bible, etc)





Are you absoultely SURE that it isn't just some trap to get us to believe in you, so that we can go to some camp under our own free will and do your evil bidding for Eternity? The old "I don't care if you listen to me or not so you will therefore believe me routine"?

Heh, just giving you shit, your beliefs mirror my own. :grin:

Reminds me of the Simpsons episode, with the cult... Someone stands up to leave, and they shine a big light on them and everyone looks at them, "Where are you going? Of course, you are completely free to do so, but would you mind telling us why?!".. and, of course, where Marge freaks out and yells how she is getting the hell out of there, and the guy is like "Well, no one is stopping you from doing so, you are completely free to come and go as you wish", and then there are the dogs, the barbed wire, the landmines, the floating orb...

Heh, The Simpsons are great. :grin:
Peace.


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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

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Re: Fear of death [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1951572 - 09/26/03 12:37 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I haven't been afraid of death since I was fifteen, if I remember correctly (I'm 20 now). Perhaps before that age I was subconsciously afraid of death, but it changed at 15 through a series of visions (when completely sober, well rested, and properly nourished).

I would, in any kind of situation where there's a remote chance of dying - like crossroads for instance, you could always get hit by a car or something - see myself die in the most bloody and gorey ways. The visions always took a hafl of a second or so, and I had them on and off for about half a year. That, of course, confronted me with death to the fullest degree. After that half a year I felt cleansed somehow, and I've never feared death thereafter.


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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

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