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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: pineninja]
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You should read Guns, Germs, and Steel. It should answer all of your questions. Or start looking into human geography, a whole field of science dedicated to why people are where the are in the world. It's not exactly a simple subject, many factors play into this.


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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: TempestDnB]
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The goal of conquest/power/domination exists at different levels. We begins with power struggles with our parents and eventually with authority. To the extent that these power struggles go is reliant on more factors than can be counted but the main ones are individual temperament, social outlook on dominance struggles, as well as group exposure to "the other" or groups that are not in concordance with their beliefs.

Let's say you have a tribe. All they know is that tribe and that is their world. They have formulated methods of existing without having to constantly fend for survival (shelter, basic agriculture, basic medicine etc). They have found an order within the chaos and they have drawn a clear line between the 2. It's fairly clear there is always more to learn so the more creative types are tasked with encountering this chaos and making it order. Not just order THEIR order. At the end of the day THEIR order is the ONLY order. We are tribal after all. We do not operate on a hive mind, we are not solitary either it's somewhere in the middle. Millions of years of evolution have created a "survival based mind" which we use as the substrate for our more abstract conceptualizations and in turn those primal portions of our brains are the driving forces behind what we do.

That seems to be the basic blueprint behind the conquest. The desire to explore once order has been established. Once "the other" is encountered especially amongst the same species, conflict ensues. One must win be cause both think they are right as they should.

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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: Plurlife] * 1
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DividedQuantum said:
Euh...The Maya and Inca were both in existence at the time of European contact.

I guess the rest is just useless speculation, on all our parts.


The people, sure. But by the time the Incan Empire was formed (around 1200), the mayan empire was taking its final breath. Their crops were failing, their people diseased, their population too high in the cities and not high enough in rural areas.
Even if the Inca did have the resources to attack the mayans all the way in the yucatan peninsula (thousasnds of miles away, on foot, while bypassing other hostile tribes along the way) the land would be likely just be abandoned the Inca.

Your argument that non-whites never had the urge to expand indefinitely is silly. At a certain point, resources, population, and overextension will halt expansion inevitably. It happened to the romans, it happened to the Inca, it happened to Alexander the Great (in a way). If resouces were unlimited, the Inca wouldve colonized and couquered all of South America. The Iroquis wouldve conquered New England. Gupta wouldve taken over the Tamil Kings and the maldiives and expanded towards Tibet.
It is not a trait that halts the expansion of civiliazations. It is not one person making the decision to expand. It is hundreds of rulers over hundreds of years.
It is not a "white" trait. It is a human trait


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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: Near Dylan]
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I'm not convinced it's that straightforward, but I appreciate your input. :thumbup:


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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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DividedQuantum said:
We tend to overlook our assumptions in our facile explanations of the conquest of the world by the white man.


We also tend to ignore the reality of the people who pull the strings from behind the curtain - the bankers and their ilk. If us whites truly were in charge, I don't think we'd be flooding our own countries with Muslims.


Edited by Hobozen (09/23/17 07:14 AM)

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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: Hobozen] * 1
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sorry I clicked into that link.

Muslims are not a problem. hate is a problem. Extremism is a problem,

The prophesy referred to is junk.

superstition and xenophopia are not healthy.


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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? *DELETED* [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
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Reason for deletion: asdf


Edited by Hobozen (09/23/17 05:30 AM)

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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: Hobozen]
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extremism is not just in islam,
acid attacks are not just in islam,

Large groups of uneducated people do stupid things.

Consider America and the low emphasis on free education there - way worse than europe, probably equal to Iran. So who voted for TRUMP? - I would say DUMB PEOPLE, largely uneducated DUMB PEOPLE.

maybe if we had more Muslims in America TRUMP would not be inciting Nuclear war right now.

What you are saying is DUMB. It is in the category of racist propaganda.


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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: Hobozen]
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I truly am a tolerant person. I identify much closer to the left than I do the right. I have muslim friends. But all in all, fuck that religion and fuck 90% of its followers.

Imo, the only refugees should be woman and children, and to areas that are much easier to integrate them in (i.e. no the CAPITALS of western countries). The men talk a big religious game but when the time comes to actually defend their homeland they come crawling to the cities of the countries they hate.

That religion has fucked everyone over since its conception and the fact that its still just as powerful and still trying to throw sand in everyone's face (no pun intended) is disheartening.

Fuck religion, but fuck that one in particular.


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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
extremism is not just in islam,
acid attacks are not just in islam,

Large groups of uneducated people do stupid things.

maybe if we had more Muslims in America TRUMP would not be inciting Nuclear war right now.

What you are saying is DUMB. It is in the category of racist propaganda.


it is much more common in people who follow an entire IDEOLOGY revolved around being uneducated and abusing woman who do not follow the same ridiculous guidelines as the ones you force to in your country.
Does it happen outside islamic people? Sure. But they are EXTREMELY rare, and are simply copycat attacks. But many refugees have been doing whole gangs who ride around committing violent hate crimes with acid.

If we had a real muslim in office he would be pushing for holy war even more, except not against a maniacal dictator, but to commit jihad against infidel countries

This is not "the jews are dirty and should be exterminated". This is "islam is a disgusting, piece of shit religion that has historically fucked the world over and over again, and many people from islamic countries would do the same if they could"

Anyone who defends islam as a peaceful or negligible religion either knows nothing about it or its historical context, or is in denial


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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: Hobozen]
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I have Muslim friends in Law and in Tech and in Art, I am Jewish, I have Muslim (sufi) relatives by marriage.

I am not into god or religion but I am very religious about the truth.

The opinions here are erroneous, please do not send any more PM's I will not read them.

Propaganda is not education.


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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: redgreenvines]
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I have Muslim friends too. I live in a brown neighborhood and have gotten to know many of them. But you're overlooking the bigger picture. The Wahhabis have a plan for us. And there are many of them. And they want to outbreed us. And once they have enough of a voice, they will overpower us, and they will exterminate us, just as they've exterminated Christians from their countries in the past. This isn't propaganda, this is fact.

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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: Hobozen] * 1
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im gonna make a thread for this discussion, come join if you want.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24653096/vc/1#24653096


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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: Near Dylan]
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:thumbup:

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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: Hobozen]
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thanks Near Dylan


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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: Hobozen] * 1
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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: Lion] * 1
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I was starting to feel swamped by mudslinging and retweets of dubious value


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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: redgreenvines]
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huge promise lies in speaking your way forward and dring 3 x 2 to x being more than two lines in a row without the pencil or crayon being lifted from the paper while drawing the three lines
think if everyone did that
think if everyone watched jordan peterson videos


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Re: Is Conquest a Natural Trait? [Re: Ferdinando]
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more cheesecake?


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